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Showing Original Post only (View all)The Bernie campaign never stole anything. Discontinue spreading this misinformation. [View all]
Last edited Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Anyone continuing to spread this are going to be marking themselves.
Seriously. Just do the research.
Here is NGP VAN's statement clearly communicating that NO data was stolen --
http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy
First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the export from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.
On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
Finally, here is the Snopes page that has been updating the fact checking on all claims since the event began. Their conclusion? Well read it for yourself!
http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/
CLAIM: Staffers on Bernie Sanders' campaign deliberately and improperly accessed information about the Hillary Clinton campaign during a brief (30-40 minute-long) data security lapse.
WHAT'S TRUE: During a brief security lapse due to a bug on the part of third-party campaign information data company NGP VAN, four staffers from the Bernie Sanders campaign had unauthorized access to limited data pertaining to the Hillary Clinton campaign. The DNC has since pledged to restore the Sanders campaign's access to the voter files.
WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.
WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: What the staffers' intent in accessing the data was; whether the Clinton campaign engaged in similar activity during the 2008 campaign but was unsanctioned (as asserted in a suit filed by Sanders' campaign against the DNC); under precisely which circumstances the staffers accessed the information; the manner in which the proprietary software operated and the ease with which such data might be accessed deliberately or inadvertently.
WHAT'S TRUE: During a brief security lapse due to a bug on the part of third-party campaign information data company NGP VAN, four staffers from the Bernie Sanders campaign had unauthorized access to limited data pertaining to the Hillary Clinton campaign. The DNC has since pledged to restore the Sanders campaign's access to the voter files.
WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.
WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: What the staffers' intent in accessing the data was; whether the Clinton campaign engaged in similar activity during the 2008 campaign but was unsanctioned (as asserted in a suit filed by Sanders' campaign against the DNC); under precisely which circumstances the staffers accessed the information; the manner in which the proprietary software operated and the ease with which such data might be accessed deliberately or inadvertently.
There. This is now settled.
UPDATE: Here's a piece of logic that also needs to be mentioned.
We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns.
No one has retained anything, with of course... One possible exception.
If it were Bernie... Then the DNC wouldn't have buckled to his lawsuit threat. They could have kept the data from Bernie and stood proud today.
But they buckled. Wonder why?
Maybe it's because they don't actually have the dirt on Bernie. And maybe that one possible exception is some other campaign.
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The Bernie campaign never stole anything. Discontinue spreading this misinformation. [View all]
retrowire
Dec 2015
OP
Liar. It's more like adjoining hotel rooms with the adjoining security door missing
tdb63
Dec 2015
#177
Yes, why did they fire Josh Uretsky? Because bernie wanted to throw an innocent man under the
Cha
Dec 2015
#225
Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#48
This Citizen Would Never Suspect That Mere Facts Would Stand In Way Of Team HRC
cantbeserious
Dec 2015
#3
Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#47
Didn't read the official statement from the security firm in my OP? lol dude stop lmao nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#18
Dirty campaign, huh? You mean like stealing data? No, not that dirty. That's Sanders territory.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#14
Didn't read the official statement from the security firm in my OP? lol dude stop lmao nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#21
"only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should
DanTex
Dec 2015
#26
The word "retained" was used by the vendor. I get that you disagree with the vendor, but
DanTex
Dec 2015
#34
Yup. Bernie's campaign stole data. Your own links show that. May even have retained the data.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#68
They definitely accessed it improperly, and they may or may not have retained the data.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#76
It's very simple. The data was stolen, nobody knows what they did with it afterwards.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#128
Everyone knows they stole it. Nobody knows what they did with it after they stole it.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#137
LOL. Dodge. But I get it, when it's Clinton's data, there's a whole different standard.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#148
Yeah, it's a dodge because I treat people online how I'd treat them in real life.
retrowire
Dec 2015
#152
This is clearly opinion and speculation. Which has no room in the world of facts. nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#23
Yep. Ad nauseam. And they're still in denial that Sanders campaign did anything wrong.
BlueCaliDem
Dec 2015
#17
"only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data
DanTex
Dec 2015
#30
Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#43
That quote is from the actual security firm. From your link. Did you even read it?
DanTex
Dec 2015
#45
Everyone knows who it is. They mentioned the Sanders campaign by name earlier in the article.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#55
Outside of the Bernie bubble, everyone knows exactly what happened: Bernie's campaign stole data.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#65
The access logs demonstrate that they did. And you're the one who made this OP, claiming that
DanTex
Dec 2015
#119
The list of logs shows improper access, i.e. stealing data. Like I said, what they did with the
DanTex
Dec 2015
#125
OK, send my all your usernames and passwords, I'll just go checking around, I promise I won't
DanTex
Dec 2015
#133
We know that the Bernie camp looked at data they shouldn't have had access to, the only question is
DanTex
Dec 2015
#62
Not "sure" of anything, just like you won't be after I look through all your private data.
DanTex
Dec 2015
#151
I don't know the legal details, depending on the contract, it could easily be the case that she
DanTex
Dec 2015
#165
Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#44
Yes that table would be impossible to construct without magical mystical powers and a little help
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#112
If they wanted the data they would grab the data, not fart around constructing detailed queries for
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#116
These people have no understanding nor intention to understand how any of this works in real life.
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#117
Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt
retrowire
Dec 2015
#39
I do not care if unethically they went into her data and hand wrote notes or downloaded. Theft.
seabeyond
Dec 2015
#59
It is that bright light of integrity that is blinding so many. Cheating, ... Gets one a shrug.
seabeyond
Dec 2015
#80
He stole data. Download, Notes or Brain. He stole data. This is not a tough one.
seabeyond
Dec 2015
#113
No it doesn't. Snopes was pretty equivocal -- and it is an outdated post at this point.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#201
So how many times has the Hill Campaign been looking through the Sanders data?
SoapBox
Dec 2015
#123
If I enter your database and look at your modeling files, have I not ...
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#159
So was it the Clinton campaign or the DNC that took the guy into the back room
mythology
Dec 2015
#221