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CoffeeCat

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22. With all due respect...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:06 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Bernie was polling at 4 percent in Iowa. According to the latest CBS News/NYT poll, as well as CNN and Fox News (among others), he's at about 31 percent.

That is a massive increase.

Obama did the same thing. The same trajectory. He was polling in the single digits in Iowa, and steadily climbed.

Obama didn't even overtake Hillary Clinton in the Iowa polls until November 14 (ABC/Washington Post poll), where he finally was ahead of Clinton 30/26.

It takes a while for these numbers to gel. The Iowa caucus season has barely begun. It's important to remember that the Iowa caucus was Jan 3 in 2008. That's a month earlier than this year. These campaigns are just getting started, and Sanders has steadily increased.

I wish he was ahead. Of course. However, one cannot deny that he has gained significant growth, despite Hillary's name recognition and familiarity. Iowa knows Hillary well--and she managed to lose 35 points in Iowa over the summer. She's gained back some of that ground (but not all). Iowa support for her is very soft, and all it's going to take is this caucus season getting into high gear (phone calling, canvassing, the ground game, public speeches, advertising, etc.) and the numbers will change more in Bernie's direction.

Another thing to remember is that the optics will favor Bernie. He's going to amass huge crowds, most likely in indoor stadiums/large venues. He's going to generate a great deal of enthusiasm. So far, Hillary has been unable to attract the 10,000+ crowds that Bernie has. This will have an effect on Iowans as well.

Look at this 2008 poll...Hillary queen of the polls! CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #1
In 2008, Clinton was generally below 50%... brooklynite Nov 2015 #2
In 2008 it was a three-way race... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #7
It is indeed a two-person race (sorry O'Malley) brooklynite Nov 2015 #13
I'm sorry but you have your facts wrong. Very wrong. CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #23
You may question my claim, but that's what Robby Mook told me... brooklynite Nov 2015 #24
You must have misunderstood then... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #28
Here we go again... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #4
I never said that Bernie is Obama... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #9
The trajectory in Iowa, is nearly identical to what it was in 2008. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #11
With all due respect... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #22
Respectfully and I am not being snarky DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #32
Your interlocutor notes that... OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #38
Ma and Pa Kettle do math DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #39
Sanders is not Obama. O'Malley is not Edwards. (Oh, and it's not 2007.) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #6
It's a poor comparison. Beacool Nov 2015 #29
This is a great way to start my day! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #3
Morning Has Broken DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #5
That's the highest O'Malley has ever polled nationally Recursion Nov 2015 #8
Yes it is, and shows an important TREND! elleng Nov 2015 #37
Just like I predicted, O'Malley got the debate bump. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #10
The live phone polls of likely and registered voters are more reliable than the internet polls and Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #12
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #14
When a polling company does live phone polls including landlines and cellphones, the cellphone polls Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #15
The poll I cited utilized the robust methods you held out as a benchmark. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #16
Are you saying the PPP poll in your OP is a live phone poll? If so, there is no doubt that that the Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #18
I am saying this poll met the rigorous standards... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #19
I agree randomly generated cellphone and landline live phone polling is most reliable, but did you Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #20
Democrats =304 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #33
No confirmation of whether the 304 are registered or eligible to vote or expressed any interest in Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #34
Even Ray could see ... Alfresco Nov 2015 #17
Sort of hard to believe that any of the Republicans Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #21
Experience matters when choosing a President. riversedge Nov 2015 #25
PPP (D) was one of the most accurate polling busniness in the USA. Iliyah Nov 2015 #26
Great news! DCBob Nov 2015 #27
I think that this will be the main factor that will tip the nomination to Hillary. Beacool Nov 2015 #30
Steady as she goes. riversedge Nov 2015 #36
To be fair, inanimate objects Aerows Nov 2015 #31
Clinton leads Sanders 47/32 w/ men, but 69/22 w/ women. 53/32 w/ younger voters, 66/17 w/Senior riversedge Nov 2015 #35
That's a 22 point gender gap. Not sure I buy the senior gap or younger vote gap. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #40
No fair... SidDithers Nov 2015 #41
Chuckle riversedge Nov 2015 #44
Clinton leads Sanders just 50/36 with white voters, but 70/13 with African Americans, 84/8 with Hisp riversedge Nov 2015 #42
Nice. particularly the H2H matchups. K & R nt Persondem Nov 2015 #43
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