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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 07:19 AM Oct 2015

Clinton Supporters: Should she follow Third Way's order to reject The Left and move to the Right? [View all]

The Third Way has issued a warning and order for Clinton to reject the "economic populism of the left" and move back to pro-business "center" as they define it. I've got a simple -- policy and message oriented -- question, especially for supporters of Clinton, who has long ties to the Third Way conservative faction of the Democratic Party.

There have been several links to these articles on other OP's, with comments, so I won't repost here, except one excerpt. Two of the other threads are here, for more background:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251739481

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251739351

In essence, the Third Way is warning Clinton to reject the "left-wing populism" she has adopted in the primary, and go back to more conservative, business oriented policies. That means "pro-business, pro-growth policies" like we've had for 30 years. The main reason Americans are struggling is lack of training for the jobs of the 21st Century they say. It rejects the idea that business is culpable.

They also don't like the namby-pamby association with "victims" (and that could be considered code.)

“Economic populism,” Daley said, dwells too much on “either to blame, make somebody a victim, blame somebody who’s been successful or blame business, or blame the government.”


So I've got a simple question, especially to supporters of Clinton. Are you in favor of this call for Clinton to reject the "left wing populist tone" she has adopted recently, and return to the conservative mold of the Third Way?

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The real test portlander23 Oct 2015 #1
They also don't like regulation much Armstead Oct 2015 #2
Considering she's pals with Pete Peterson, I'm pretty sure I know where she stands on SS. Scuba Oct 2015 #4
Mayhap portlander23 Oct 2015 #6
This "Third Way" meme being pushed here is a Bernista political ploy. Nitram Oct 2015 #37
Sure portlander23 Oct 2015 #45
I beg to differ pinebox Oct 2015 #49
Then she shold repudiate them publicly Armstead Oct 2015 #59
The Third Way is not a schtick. It's a Wall St Investors Think Tank whoch has attached itself sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #68
The Third Way® is a corporatist think tank AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #79
Because you say so. frylock Oct 2015 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #100
This call will damage Clinton's chances. Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #3
I really wish she was running as a Republican. Scuba Oct 2015 #5
It would be nice to have a sane republican to run against in the general. daleanime Oct 2015 #40
That's just the point, a sane Republican would never get past their Primaries. Only the nuts do. Cal33 Oct 2015 #57
Do Clinton supporters have any thughts on this? I promise to behave Armstead Oct 2015 #7
As always, they either don't give a flying fuck or would cheer gleefully TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #19
Wow, Kentucky, you sure have a lot of bile reserved for Democrats... Nitram Oct 2015 #91
Many of them deny the existence of the Third Way. frylock Oct 2015 #89
Follow orders? Hillary's not a dog on a leash. sufrommich Oct 2015 #8
It's not some guy on a blog Armstead Oct 2015 #9
I didn't say it was a guy on a blog. I'm sick of Sanders supporters sufrommich Oct 2015 #13
Third Way wasn't making veiled threats behind closed doors to cut their campaigns off at the knees Chan790 Oct 2015 #23
What "veiled threats behind closed doors"? Link to where this group sufrommich Oct 2015 #25
These arenlt her bosses. They are her allies Armstead Oct 2015 #29
So,in other words,you made that up. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #31
What? I asked a question. Do you think Hillary should agree with this or not? Armstead Oct 2015 #46
I think hir thinks we're the same person...or ze had a reading comprehension fail. n/t Chan790 Oct 2015 #50
"Don't worry. Don't take my populism seriously I just have to do this to win the primary..." Exactly GoneFishin Oct 2015 #82
sufro... Chan790 Oct 2015 #48
Then good luck with the Clinton in the GE Teagan Oct 2015 #30
I don't care what you're going to do.nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #33
I do. I am just stating my preference. Teagan Oct 2015 #35
Go head. leftofcool Oct 2015 #54
I agree completely. I also think she can get things done that Sanders can't. Hoyt Oct 2015 #39
The question is will she want to? Or will she try? Armstead Oct 2015 #47
??? Sivart Oct 2015 #61
Public Option gives people a chance to choose what will eventually become the single payer. Hoyt Oct 2015 #69
She's got to want to. Does she? Armstead Oct 2015 #70
Yes. Hoyt Oct 2015 #71
I'll take yur word for it. Armstead Oct 2015 #72
Do you have a link for that? bunnies Oct 2015 #107
Do you have a link? Hoyt Oct 2015 #108
Yep. bunnies Oct 2015 #110
Sorry, do not see opposition to public option. Hoyt Oct 2015 #113
Fair enough. That was single payer. My mistake. bunnies Oct 2015 #116
No. She does not. bunnies Oct 2015 #109
I'm awfully tired of this "think McGovern, Dukakis, Gore" argument starroute Oct 2015 #73
Truth hurts sometimes. Sanders does not exactly have a magnetic personality. In any event, Hoyt Oct 2015 #74
If Sanders has no personal magnetism, what's bringing in the crowds? starroute Oct 2015 #75
You know what they say about opinions. frylock Oct 2015 #92
Yep, and it goes both ways. Hoyt Oct 2015 #99
That ignores three things kenfrequed Oct 2015 #93
The fact she refuses to take stands on issues AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #101
I left the church of my youth because of its paternalism only to find it on a "progressive" board. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #11
It's ridiculous. I'm looking forward to it blowing up in their faces. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #14
Down with the patriarchy! DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #15
Back to the Question at Hand: Do you agree with that strategy or not? 2banon Oct 2015 #80
I promised to behave so I'll just say..... Armstead Oct 2015 #16
I eschew labels... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #18
Does it matter how those profits are made? Or where they go? Armstead Oct 2015 #36
I want a regulated system with progressive taxation but I am not a leveler... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #44
I agree with that to a point Armstead Oct 2015 #51
They don't much like you either Armstead Oct 2015 #43
She trembles in fear of the Third Way® AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #103
So you have no opinion on the subject? daleanime Oct 2015 #42
Hillllllary, Hillllllllllarie.....Rah Rah Rah Armstead Oct 2015 #52
Hillary is doing just fine. leftofcool Oct 2015 #10
It works on them... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #12
You too are on the surface Armstead Oct 2015 #20
"God I am struggling to behave." NCTraveler Oct 2015 #22
By "behave I meant trying to not get snarky Armstead Oct 2015 #24
Well placed and witty snark is great. Often very funny with a bit(a lot) of truth. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #27
Many of us supporting Bernie perceive Hillary as mostly giving lip service to these issues... cascadiance Oct 2015 #84
Truly happy you have someone to support in the democratic field. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #87
Do you agree with this? Armstead Oct 2015 #26
I wish you would get an answer to your main question artislife Oct 2015 #62
Do you aree with this statement? Should this be the Democratic message? Armstead Oct 2015 #21
You are on the surface. Armstead Oct 2015 #17
Clinton goes 'yes, master' and begins attacking Sanders from the right Teagan Oct 2015 #28
oooh- scary "Third Way" redstateblues Oct 2015 #32
Watthefuckever Armstead Oct 2015 #41
You know they are self proclaimed, right? artislife Oct 2015 #63
WTF? Third Way is RIGHT WING Conservative. Period. 2banon Oct 2015 #81
Does the illuminati have a website? frylock Oct 2015 #94
So, Hillary doesn't have a mind of her own, after all she is just a woman? leftofcool Oct 2015 #55
Um no, I didn't say anything at all about being a woman Teagan Oct 2015 #56
Warren has had a mind of her own as a woman too... cascadiance Oct 2015 #90
HILLARY 2016: SEXISM!!1 frylock Oct 2015 #95
Uhm... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #96
you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #34
Yep. desperate to keep America from sliding backward Armstead Oct 2015 #38
If she's elected she will anyway. Might as well do it now and be honest . Autumn Oct 2015 #53
you're not going to get an answer ibegurpard Oct 2015 #58
If they support it fine, I just wish they would just OWN their beliefs Armstead Oct 2015 #60
Bingo. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #64
Many of her supporters are right wingers anyway so I'm sure plenty would approve. Broward Oct 2015 #65
I thought she had moved to the right. Didn't she just say she supports the Death Penalty? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #66
She wants a "review" Armstead Oct 2015 #67
I never believed she moved from the right in the first place. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #76
She made some token gestures Armstead Oct 2015 #102
Not a question of if, but when HassleCat Oct 2015 #77
She will get no right wing votes AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #78
Quick skim through reveals Agreement with Right Wing Policy by her Supporters 2banon Oct 2015 #83
I'm happy with her mainstream center-left positions... brooklynite Oct 2015 #85
Okay Armstead Oct 2015 #98
ALL major party nominees move to the center after the primaries. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #86
She was a founding member of the organization kenfrequed Oct 2015 #97
all these responses restorefreedom Oct 2015 #104
If she hopes to win the Primary, she'll keep up the pretense. senz Oct 2015 #105
Yay! Just what we needed - more intraparty squabbling! LonePirate Oct 2015 #106
more internet warrior nonsense JI7 Oct 2015 #111
How about a coherent answer if you think it's nonsense Armstead Oct 2015 #112
who is them ? she also has support from Barbara lee and sherrod brown JI7 Oct 2015 #114
They are the heirs to the DLC which was the brain trust of the Clintons Armstead Oct 2015 #115
she should dump liberalism because she's liberalism's only hope at getting popular MisterP Oct 2015 #117
or something Armstead Oct 2015 #118
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