2016 Postmortem

Bohunk68

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89. That was what bothered me.

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:19 AM

Oct 2015

Was she saying that Bernistas are extremists? Yesterday, I was helping at our Food Pantry, most of the clients were gone, and just half a dozen of us sat there and discussed this. I was the only male, there was my pastor, and four other wimmin there. We are in the country and Lutheran. We were all Dems, a rarity in a room here. Most of us support Bernie, we think that he has it right. While all of us will vote for Hillary, should she be our nominee, we really like the original, Bernie. Hillary has been saying things lately that sound more Bernielike, but I wonder if she really feels that?

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Sorry Clinton - you are no Progressive.... [View all] TheProgressive Oct 2015 OP

Copy cat Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #1

Hillary is the most qualified progressive to run for the Presidency lewebley3 Oct 2015 #168

` L0oniX Oct 2015 #171

Three cheers for HIllary lewebley3 Oct 2015 #191

LOL ...bar room cheers now? L0oniX Oct 2015 #204

And happy birthday Madam Secretary! George II Oct 2015 #236

John Kerry is a woman? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #259

+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Oct 2015 #181

She's not a progressive Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #182

She is very progessive; she is too progessive for many Americans lewebley3 Oct 2015 #183

Yeah... Plucketeer Oct 2015 #184

Sanders supporters are always push this lie lewebley3 Oct 2015 #189

So it's a lie that she's too progressive for TeaBaggers? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #217

She too progressive for many Dem's and to progressive for many Americans lewebley3 Oct 2015 #248

Whatever. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #254

Doesn't fit with your propaganda against her lewebley3 Oct 2015 #255

Lol, yeah I'm the new Leni Riefenstahl. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #256

By who's qualifications do you make your statement? TheProgressive Oct 2015 #192

Why don't you push Sanders quaifications: That right he doesn't have many lewebley3 Oct 2015 #200

Shouldn't you first backup your statement? TheProgressive Oct 2015 #202

Nice statement but can you actually back it up? She wasn't progressive when she bowed to George rhett o rick Oct 2015 #193

Hillary has history with Dem party" the liberal party": Hillary is very progressive lewebley3 Oct 2015 #199

Yes I am merely a Sanders supporter, looking for a change from the status quo rhett o rick Oct 2015 #228

And she wasn't looking out for the 99% when she voted for the bankruptcy bill dflprincess Oct 2015 #206

Certainly she has made some progressive votes, but that doesn't make her a progressive. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #230

The Statment is easy to back up just go to your lib, check out some books on HRC lewebley3 Oct 2015 #249

She lost all chance of being considered a progressive when she turned her back on her Party, the rhett o rick Oct 2015 #253

Hillary is not responsible for Iraq: Bush is he said so! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #263

HRC was not fooled by the likes of George Bush. She knew full well that the AUMF rhett o rick Oct 2015 #264

I'm Bernie Sanders and I don't approve this message... brooklynite Oct 2015 #2

You do not speak for Bernie moabfan Oct 2015 #5

...and neither does the OP brooklynite Oct 2015 #7

Most 'OP's do speak for themselves... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #12

I think it may be news to them. brooklynite Oct 2015 #14

OP speaks for me! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #145

Me two! Plucketeer Oct 2015 #185

The OP didn't claim to speak for Sanders mindwalker_i Oct 2015 #45

I didn't see him claim to do so. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #78

Well then you didn't hear his speech earlier. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #8

That's what I heard. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #105

You are not Bernie Sanders. Fearless Oct 2015 #13

You, sir, are no Bernie Sanders. Not even in the same ball park. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #42

And once again we go for the distraction. Sen Sanders is a progressive. HRC is a conservative. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #196

Saying Clinton is not a progressive does not make it so... betsuni Oct 2015 #3

Check her record... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #4

That Hillary and Bernie voted 93% the same while Senators? betsuni Oct 2015 #30

As I recall, it is the remaining 7% that show the difference. djean111 Oct 2015 #91

The invasion of Iraq happened because the Bush administration lied. betsuni Oct 2015 #93

Clinton didn't just vote for war--she was a public cheerleader for it n/t eridani Oct 2015 #94

Links? betsuni Oct 2015 #98

Here ya go. 99Forever Oct 2015 #117

98? Plucketeer Oct 2015 #187

Google is a corporation. "Corporate" is an insult, right? betsuni Oct 2015 #237

Overly literal to the point of absurdity much? 99Forever Oct 2015 #238

You would know. betsuni Oct 2015 #239

No sir 99Forever Oct 2015 #241

Lieralism is really the only valid form of response to bumper-sticker philosophies... LanternWaste Oct 2015 #251

All that says is Hillary is easily duped while the people knew what was going on. cui bono Oct 2015 #147

For HRH her IWR vote/cheerleading was one of two things hifiguy Oct 2015 #188

+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #218

Hillary was the 13th most liberal Senator based on her voting record.. DCBob Oct 2015 #101

Break it down into "economic" vs "social" progressive policies ... kristopher Oct 2015 #140

I dont think the data is available that way. DCBob Oct 2015 #143

You say that as if that means something. cui bono Oct 2015 #148

It does because a Democratic candidate for President normally is a Democrat. DCBob Oct 2015 #151

Yes, but as I mentioned the Dem Party has moved so far rightward that being #13 cui bono Oct 2015 #152

It does matter to most Democrats... DCBob Oct 2015 #156

That doesn't make any sense and if you think you're insulting me with that stupid comment, cui bono Oct 2015 #157

"stupid"?? This kind of comment should not be allowed here. DCBob Oct 2015 #158

Haha.... cui bono Oct 2015 #159

Not funny at all... just pathetic on your part. DCBob Oct 2015 #160

Aw... I'll miss you and your 'socialist' cracks. cui bono Oct 2015 #161

This kind of comment should not be allowed here!1!! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #220

Obama was tied for First place as the Senate's most liberal voter, during his term. Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #164

And Obama's legacy will be a progressive one arely staircase Oct 2015 #177

He also doubled the Wall Street indexes, Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #246

Sanders supporter don't want here good things about Hillary lewebley3 Oct 2015 #201

The word is meaningless when she uses it and then turns around and publicly and happily calls Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #87

My point is that saying somthing doesn't make it true. betsuni Oct 2015 #97

football is boring! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #109

You're comparing an opinion to something that can be backed up by policy positions and associations. cui bono Oct 2015 #149

***> sniff< **** HeartoftheMidwest Oct 2015 #197

( NOT snark, either. ) HeartoftheMidwest Oct 2015 #198

The word is meaningless when used by Skidmore Oct 2015 #103

The ONLY CANDIDATE who mentioned Black Lives Matter. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6

Did you listen to the Dem debate? TheProgressive Oct 2015 #10

Sure, today. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #11

And the FIRST candidate to mention Black Lives Matter. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #17

Ah, right. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #21

So how does she measure up to Bernie and Martin when it comes to the issues?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #25

... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #27

Nice try, I meant about the issues that matter to Campaign Zero. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #29

Here: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #34

Those are on the chart and she still comes up short. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #35

To true Hillary believers, Hillary never comes up short. MattSh Oct 2015 #76

There's a reason why they ignore that chart. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77

Hillary's not behind. Everyone else is TOO FAR ahead! Scootaloo Oct 2015 #79

Was that her "all lives matter" moment? SwampG8r Oct 2015 #126

That would be Bernie. Sorry. Fearless Oct 2015 #16

Can you just stop posting meaningless crap to me. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #18

You could start with once. Fearless Oct 2015 #22

You said I was lying about Bernie arresting protesters... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #31

Jesus Christ, you're quoting libertyunionparty.org here? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #36

WSWS? No. Its written by Dave Sirota in IBT from October 13th 2015. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #39

Edited, the source is different but the claim is the same. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #40

Where did I link to wsws? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #47

Edited, you quoted an article from libertyunion.org beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #50

I gave the link: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #52

Sorry, got my links mixed up, that quote is from Vermont reporter Jim Condon. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56

Can you link to the wsws article? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #54

How the fuck can Bernie arrest protesters? Or "order" them arrested? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #48

Aw, bmus ... senz Oct 2015 #55

That lie has been posted here for months and they still can't prove it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62

If it sounds bad for Bernie, they'll use it, true or not. senz Oct 2015 #65

I just respond to the most blatant lies now. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #67

Even if he did- so what? loyalsister Oct 2015 #116

Good point. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #124

In the debate, Bernie & Martin said "Black Live Matter." Hillary didn't. senz Oct 2015 #53

You just don't understand what counts and what doesn't count, delrem Oct 2015 #64

Yeah I always assume they want facts, senz Oct 2015 #69

Bernie also said Sandra Bland's name loyalsister Oct 2015 #119

who mentioned Black Lives Matter. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #58

She also said "All lives matter" at a black church in Ferguson. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61

What you said, I heard that statement, and slapped my forehead. NT Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #81

Hillary eventually got it right. It took her until 2013 to support marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #82

I wonder though, what would happen after an election? Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #85

Good points. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #86

That was what bothered me. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #89

I don't believe she's changed. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #90

Well, all lives DO matter... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #106

Yes it does. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #107

Bullshit. You know that. cui bono Oct 2015 #153

Well, no THIRD WAY PROGRESSIVE, that's for certain. bravenak Oct 2015 #9

Sorry, I can't let you float a term like "Third Way Progressive" without challenging you. Bonobo Oct 2015 #19

You know I can do whatever I want to Bonobo. bravenak Oct 2015 #23

Yep, of course. Me too. nt Bonobo Oct 2015 #26

So do it then. Phlem Oct 2015 #66

I do what I want. bravenak Oct 2015 #74

Obviously. Phlem Oct 2015 #141

It was given to me this summer. bravenak Oct 2015 #170

Great. Burn it all down then. What are you waiting for? Phlem Oct 2015 #207

I think others burned it after the blm thingy. I am merely the arson investigator. bravenak Oct 2015 #208

OKEEE DOKEEE!? Phlem Oct 2015 #211

I have to take care of my two young black daughters and get my classes done. See ya! bravenak Oct 2015 #212

What the fuck do I care? You could give 2 shit's about me, Phlem Oct 2015 #214

I did not think you cared at all. Thank you for proving it. You told me about yours, I reciprocated. bravenak Oct 2015 #215

yep. OK then Phlem Oct 2015 #216

I don't think so chief. You said Phlem Oct 2015 #219

I've lived with an abusive republican too. My step dad. Committed suicide in front of my mom. bravenak Oct 2015 #221

Sure, cause you never said anything insinuation and insulting Phlem Oct 2015 #224

I am not insulting you. You are insulting me. bravenak Oct 2015 #226

Good job. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #75

And I support bravenak's right Skidmore Oct 2015 #235

I would just let that stupidity hang in the air. cui bono Oct 2015 #155

Bravenak, you need to read this link: Scootaloo Oct 2015 #80

Is someone trying to create a meme that Clinton is to the left of Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #88

It was me. I like it. It explains so much. The color blindness. Not noticing whether you hire blacks bravenak Oct 2015 #96

This is perfect and beautiful and true. betsuni Oct 2015 #102

And so it enters the American lexicon... bravenak Oct 2015 #104

I'm reading your post but not following how it relates to calling Clinton a progressive. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #108

I never said she was. They are both to my right and barely acceptable. bravenak Oct 2015 #111

Calling him the 'flip side' of her Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #118

The only one people ever mention is Jesse Jackson. The only one. bravenak Oct 2015 #120

One always sounds stilted, and I use the 'you' too often myself. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #125

I know Bernie voted for that policy. bravenak Oct 2015 #127

Well, good luck. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #128

We won't. Nor will we be under his. That is really my main point. bravenak Oct 2015 #137

Not noticing the unwelcoming environment towards blacks. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #110

For african americans. bravenak Oct 2015 #115

from self described Sander's fans. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #130

He should address it with the journalists who asked him to. Send a message of tolerance. bravenak Oct 2015 #135

He should address it with the journalists who asked him to. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #144

Concerns are laughed off by the guilty parties. They pretend they do not remember bravenak Oct 2015 #169

You think I created a meme? bravenak Oct 2015 #92

I think you're trying really hard to make that "THIRD WAY PROGRESSIVE!!!" nonsense into a thing. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #134

It will work Scoot. I have a way with words. bravenak Oct 2015 #136

Well, you do that. I'm going to go re-read Flowers for Algernon. n/t Scootaloo Oct 2015 #176

I had to do this. Nobody treats me like that. Not without get back. They were so cocky. bravenak Oct 2015 #178

Okay. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #179

Results. I only wish I had been juror 1.... tishaLA Oct 2015 #232

Hey tisha.. I was just coming to post the results.. I was Juror #1.. I love # 5! Cha Oct 2015 #233

Thank you!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #234

Bernie called her out or her wretched voting azmom Oct 2015 #15

Clinton is a corporatist 1 percent'r... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #20

When she speaks it seems like she can't even azmom Oct 2015 #24

You know these attempts at defining Hillary are getting nowhere. I know they support upaloopa Oct 2015 #28

Not sure what you are saying... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #32

She is. moobu2 Oct 2015 #33

She has always been a progressive in spite of you saying she isn't. upaloopa Oct 2015 #37

Because the bankruptcy bill and the Iraq war are true progressive causes n/t eridani Oct 2015 #73

I can't wait until Hillary Clinton wins Iowa and New Hampshire. BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #38

If that happens Robbins Oct 2015 #41

Are you saying Bernie supporters won't support Hillary Clinton when she's the nominee? BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #43

In event that she wins nomination Robbins Oct 2015 #44

LOL Skittles Oct 2015 #60

So that's a "no". Sanders supporters won't vote for Hillary when she's the nom. BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #121

Me too! zappaman Oct 2015 #142

extremely childish Skittles Oct 2015 #59

Do what? Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #133

It's easy to stay out of trouble if you use the trash thread and ignore buttons. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #46

That's fine. Just as long as DUers don't have to read post after post trashing Hillary Clinton, BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #122

Great. More cheerleading for war and making bankruptcy harder n/t eridani Oct 2015 #95

Would voting for every single war funding bill be considered by you as cheerleading for war? BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #123

Voting for generic appropriations bills always includes DOD funding eridani Oct 2015 #231

Hard to deny that Clinton Thespian2 Oct 2015 #49

The DNC DLC Third Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About A Bernie Presidency cantbeserious Oct 2015 #51

Yes. True. Fun, yet infuriating to see the pernicious subterfuge Populist_Prole Oct 2015 #70

Yet he is running as a Democrat, I thought. treestar Oct 2015 #99

Hillary is as much a economic progressive as I am the King of Kathmandu Bernblu Oct 2015 #57

saying you are a progressive does not make it so... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #63

Hillary Weather Vane Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #68

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #71

I bet Clinton will move us further forward than any candidate running. Hoyt Oct 2015 #72

To go forward is simply to travel in the facing direction, no matter what that direction is Scootaloo Oct 2015 #83

She certainly is when compared to most Democrats. DCBob Oct 2015 #84

Aw, come on. Everyone knows facts have a Hillary bias. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #172

Congratulations Scootaloo Oct 2015 #180

Nope. Hillary is not now nor has she ever been a progressive. 99Forever Oct 2015 #100

I can think of one exception: In 1993 as First Lady, she tried to get Universal Health Care for the Cal33 Oct 2015 #112

So did this guy, and I wouldn't call him a progressive: 99Forever Oct 2015 #114

Maybe this shows that Nixon of the 1960s wasn't as bad as the average Neo-con and Cal33 Oct 2015 #258

Or maybe it shows that having been on the correct side of one issue... 99Forever Oct 2015 #260

I think you're correct. Cal33 Oct 2015 #265

Universal, but still included the health insurance corporations. dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #165

Progressives do not support: FRACKING, THE TPP, THE XL PIPELINE, WALL ST. GREEDY THIEVES, in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #113

List the right of center Republicans currently serving in Congress emulatorloo Oct 2015 #129

I completely disagree. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #138

She was too conservative for me in 08 and continues to be too conservative for me now. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #139

One Election - TBF Oct 2015 #131

BINGO! He'll win number 15 too to become the nominee. Then he'll win number 16 next November, 2016. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #162

. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #132

One minute a self-described "moderate" and the next a "progressive" 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #146

lol -- where's that weathervane cartoon when we need it? senz Oct 2015 #150

Hillary is a proud Democrat who advocates for Democratic issues, she will continue to work for those Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #154

If nominated she won't say that Babel_17 Oct 2015 #163

I think of her as an app with switchable skins dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #166

Sorry, Hillary is a progressive: and She has been working leading progessives lewebley3 Oct 2015 #167

Far from it. But words like this apparently have no meaning anymore. n/t deutsey Oct 2015 #173

She WAS a self proclaimed Progressive for a week or so before backtracking to her "moderate" label. NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #174

Last night she claimed to be a 'Progressive' TheProgressive Oct 2015 #175

Nope, that she is certainly not! n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #186

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows... Ford_Prefect Oct 2015 #190

No, she isn't. Warpy Oct 2015 #194

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #195

They voted 93% the same way, so if Hillary is no Progressive, neither is Bernie still_one Oct 2015 #203

It is the votes and ideals that differ that make the difference.. TheProgressive Oct 2015 #205

Yup. SoapBox Oct 2015 #210

I can understand the mental convenience of ignoring everything but the seven percent. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #252

I know you think your post is.... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #257

Well, Russ Feingold disagrees with you, and that's good enough for me. brooklynite Oct 2015 #209

What did Senator Feingold say? TheProgressive Oct 2015 #213

This was at a private dinner, so I'll keep his exact words privileged... brooklynite Oct 2015 #222

Oh please.... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #223

You're questioning my veracity? brooklynite Oct 2015 #225

I know nothing about you.... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #227

I'll be accused of "boasting", but since you apparently haven't heard this... brooklynite Oct 2015 #229

This could be true or not true... But if it is... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #240

Well, as to the first point... brooklynite Oct 2015 #242

We are past incremental changes making a difference... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #243

...and there's the cognitive dissonance... brooklynite Oct 2015 #244

Nice try... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #245

And my preference is to take "96%" of what you consider progressive... brooklynite Oct 2015 #247

I pretend to have an absolute knowledge of what a Progressive is and is not LanternWaste Oct 2015 #250

progressives! progressives! wherefore art thou progressives?! elana i am Oct 2015 #261

progress goes in many direrections olddots Oct 2015 #262