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In reply to the discussion: I love it. The same weekend Sanders flip flops on gun control is the weekend Sanders supporters [View all]virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)203. I keep mentioning that you called Hillary a liar.....you outlined the reasons in great detail
You made a great case and you made it passionately. That you later "changed your mind" is irrelevant to me. I am not criticizing you for that.
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I love it. The same weekend Sanders flip flops on gun control is the weekend Sanders supporters [View all]
stevenleser
Oct 2015
OP
Hillary never voted for a Republican that we know. She wasn't eligible in a Presidential til 1972.
Zen Democrat
Oct 2015
#289
The video headline is incorrect, or at least incomplete - BACK IN THE 1980s! In fact...
George II
Oct 2015
#300
You know, that seems to me to be one of those statements that often gets twisted around to read
PatrickforO
Oct 2015
#338
The point of living in a democracy is to have as many choices as possible.
Exilednight
Oct 2015
#392
Well, in fairness, Walk Away is just as correct in making this assertion as
PatrickforO
Oct 2015
#339
What does that have to do with Bernie promising not to attack his opponent....
Walk away
Oct 2015
#359
"he condones people like you stretching the truth and spreading it all over the internet?"
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#398
I represent Bernie Sanders as much as you represent Hillary Clinton.
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#397
Congratulations on joining the not at all suspiciously large group of current DU Hillary supporters
merrily
Oct 2015
#238
No you did not answer that in you endorsement. Do you still believe that Hillary lied.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2015
#14
Yes, I answered that in my endorsement. Now what about this Bernie flip flop? nt
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#17
Do you still believe Hillary lied . Quote that passage in your endorsement.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2015
#20
Fox tactic: if I agree to prove that what I claim is true, will you promise to make claims you know
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#48
Deflect much? Any person with integrity, especially one who considers themselves a political pundit,
cui bono
Oct 2015
#133
And I have repeated my answer several times. I responded to that in my endorsement.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#139
I don't like the term flip-flop, unless it's done for political reasons
passiveporcupine
Oct 2015
#221
Being graceful in defeat doesn't negate what you thought she lied about prior.
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#390
Fox tactic: ignore the question you don't want to answer; then make a counter accusation.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#26
Oh no, I support him going on Fox just as I supported him going to Liberty University.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#46
As am I. And you have so many incorrect items in your post its hard to get to them all.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#78
I'm so glad you approve. Have you apologized for being on both sides of five issues that I listed
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#140
Intellectually-dishonest debate tactics 24 (Innuendo) and 25 (Insinuation)
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#176
If you can show a flip flop on Sanders' part, you might have a point. But you cannot.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#267
show us exactly where Sanders flip flopped please both your May article and the link from that say
azurnoir
Oct 2015
#52
+1 I wish everyone would just ignore his false accusations and let his posts (and other writings)
Live and Learn
Oct 2015
#388
You know when Hillary lost my vote? When she voted for the Iraq War. nt
Live and Learn
Oct 2015
#389
No the OP wants others to think that also note the OP also writes for OpEd news
azurnoir
Oct 2015
#352
This is how it goes for BS supporters.. it's ok for him to change his mind. It's not ok for you or
Cha
Oct 2015
#9
From "hilary is morally depraved" to host of the Hillary Clinton Group.
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#400
Love you Cha, always have. But you need to respond to post #82...please. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Oct 2015
#284
Not only that, Bernie has been on Fox a bunch of times too. I'm waiting to hear those folks who
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#16
A lot of people apparently. I get criticized about it frequently from some folks here.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#30
Well, you havent interacted here much so its understandable you dont know these things.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#65
Still waiting for your admission of being on both sides of three issues. Starting with
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#90
Nope, not changing the subject. The subject is duplicity and you are on record three times as
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#94
And Nance's #108 below. Do you repudiate Sanders for attacking the Democratic Party and then
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#116
And we have a #5. I'm supposed to answer all your accusations but you don't answer mine.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#124
Order of operations, Steven. This can end if you want it to, but I told you...
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#128
And you prove my point. Do you need a list, because there are a lot of them.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#136
Great, so since you think so much of my opinion, you will agree with my endorsement of Hillary.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#18
your original article was so convincing and quite frankly, irrefutable, that my opinion is unchanged
virtualobserver
Oct 2015
#22
So here is a question for you. If it is what he has been saying all along, why the need for the
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#62
You didn't answer the questions. If this is what he has believed all along why
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#74
The black community should trust the police, the police are only there to help
Fumesucker
Oct 2015
#63
I never considered Steve a journalist so my opinion on them hasn't been altered by what he wrote.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#93
Come rob me, rape me, or kill me! (Leser, taking on the voice of the black community, in his view)
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#76
Well why should he let the other Fox news pundits have all the fun?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#117
This Article stinks of blaming the victims and is all around offensive garbage.
U of M Dem
Oct 2015
#412
You changed your mind eight years ago? Wow. What'd she do to make you change it so soon?
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2015
#58
LOL, I'm sure I'll get over it eventually... yup, there it is. I'm over it. See my #74 above.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#79
It makes no sense. No one but those of us on DU are going to see this horse shit and we
Autumn
Oct 2015
#121
I see 44 recs, people who aren't felling the "Bern" and don't see Sanders ability to throw a stone
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#366
Not the question, overall... has Sanders had a pro - gun stance for most if not all his career?! tia
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#374
Still not the question, has Sanders had a pro-gun stance most if not all his political carreer...
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#377
Excellent point and that is only one of many attacks he has made against the Democratic Party.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#111
That's a predictably hateful sentiment but I prefer Skinner's reasonable pov.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#180
The irony here is watching you complain about the behaviour of the other people.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#193
I'm asking you. If I hated DU and it's members that much I'd leave.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#213
Bullshit. You're broadbrushing and attacking Dems who support Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#227
so a guy that has won the Democratic nomination in his home state isn't good enough still
azurnoir
Oct 2015
#354
I think you should self delete this response. I proved my point in #74 above.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#118
To test a hypothesis that was, as a result, proven? Yes, I believe so.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#318
You mean besides the 650+ thread started yesterday by people discussing my opinion?
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#138
Honest answer -- I don't give a shit about the specifics of his position on gun control
Armstead
Oct 2015
#142
It's all there. Anger? No absolutely not. I love this. This is bread and butter to me.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#151
And it all helps me either way. My phone will be ringing off the hook for radio and tv appearances
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#155
Nope, not my priorities. I didn't create the OP that started all this. But I am grateful for it.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#164
That's your third attempt to move the goalposts to attack me. You've now positioned them on Pluto
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#174
No time for that. High-powered podcast agents from all over are lighting up his phone.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#202
Pointing out folks changing their mind is crap stirring? I see. Please link to me
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#160
Hey, I'm right there with you. But there is a 660+ post thread criticizing me for changing my
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#167
Nope, it's irony and it is a legitimate tool to show people the error of their ways.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#189
That doesn't work. You know, back when the Greek civilization was at it's height
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#199
Actually, the OP just pointed out that you said that Hillary is a liar
virtualobserver
Oct 2015
#191
And it's also a fact that Bernie changed his mind on several things and has gone on conservative
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#192
I keep mentioning that you called Hillary a liar.....you outlined the reasons in great detail
virtualobserver
Oct 2015
#203
Demonstrably false claim. I believe virtualobserver. I'm on this board. Next.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#218
Exactly and why we should not pay attention to your changing principles and let ...
slipslidingaway
Oct 2015
#212
Blame the poster and commenter of the huge OP, I had nothing to do with it
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#216
Well, you can't blame a guy for showing folks that when they are trying to throw lemons at you
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#205
My dear Steve.....I am jealous. I was promised a thread exposing my plagiarism. ....
msanthrope
Oct 2015
#233
LOL, he cares. This is "bread and butter" for him as a *cough* journalist...
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#408
That required a massive amount of research and thinking, but I was happy to be of service.
merrily
Oct 2015
#244
You should be a journalist! You're already better at fact checking than Steve!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#245
As a dispassionate observer it is my considered opinion Mr. Leser has acquitted himself admirably
DemocratSinceBirth
Oct 2015
#260
He brings a certain je ne sais quoi to this board that I can not help but notice./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Oct 2015
#275
You said Isaac Newton foresaw Steve Leser's greatness, and wrote about it.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#309
Perhaps you do love it, and that's not good. You and others like to trade in extreme verbiage which
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#268
Are you quoting Hillary ? Is it a statement about you? Or another soliloquy of diversion ?
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#276
Actually, Steve called Obama a liar. And unlike the OP, I have evidence.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#312
His overall record on gun control has been consistent; he's against it. There are too many votes
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#368
Yes, he voted for legisilation that supported the Minutemen but lets see him be honest about why!?
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#370
Why? Please cite links to his reasons for voting for this legislation, tia!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#379
I've never had a problem with anybody changing their mind...about anything. I may point out...
BlueJazz
Oct 2015
#328
Sanders overall positions on guns is well known, he's for them. voted against the Brady Bill, that's
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#373
Obviously his overall position is pro-gun control, anyone who thinks he's a gun nut is insane.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#380
Cite proof that "his OVERALL career he's been against gun control". Tia!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#383
You can look up his votes and stances from beginning to end yourself, not playing that game...
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#384