2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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127. Harsh, but this is true. BUT -- the Kochs ARE afraid of Bernie supporters.

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:18 PM

Oct 2015

They know enthusiasm on both the right and the left for Bernie is a smallish part of a much larger movement to bring down their empire, to cast out the people they've put in offices at all levels, and to repeal the many Koch-serving laws they've had enacted over the past 40 years.

They know those angry clouds building on their horizons are far, far more dangerous than any one man ever could be.

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Sanders in July: Many are disappointed at Obama, who is weak and flip flops too much [View all] Sliceo Oct 2015 OP

The RW really, really wants anyone but Clinton to win, don't they? Their fear is my hope. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1

LOL! HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #20

That makes no sense at all Sheepshank Oct 2015 #142

Fred, it must be tiring to get your ass kicked over and over. Maybe you should try decaf. Scuba Oct 2015 #28

Disappointing non-responsive and personal deflection. You are better than that. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #30

No. Sanders is not attacking Obama, but rather is criticizing some of Obamas policies. Scuba Oct 2015 #32

"Pretend" being the key word Android3.14 Oct 2015 #48

in the world of some, any deviation from the party line is treachery roguevalley Oct 2015 #67

Sanders followers attack Obama, Obama is one of the best Presidents in history lewebley3 Oct 2015 #83

I give Obama high marks on several issues, but big fat F's on many, many others. Scuba Oct 2015 #124

Obama is the leader of Dem party and over a great leader! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #131

Yes, it is, any attacks on Dem hurts Dem party chances. Sanders people are bashers lewebley3 Oct 2015 #173

You see what adhering to Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment got the Republicans? Scuba Oct 2015 #175

I saw what ideologues did to Al Gore: Sanders is the McGovern candidate lewebley3 Oct 2015 #176

What? Leftist ideologues made Gore do this? Scuba Oct 2015 #181

Hope you remember the difference during the debates Sheepshank Oct 2015 #143

Just curious, just which of Bernie's policies do you consider non viable? Scuba Oct 2015 #144

after learning that some of them did the same to Hillary in 2008... grasswire Oct 2015 #153

Sanders is just parroting a "liberal" talking point... joshcryer Oct 2015 #164

Fred's right. To win, Bernie MUST bring out 60+ MILLION VOTERS. Hortensis Oct 2015 #112

Wow...some common sense...nice! GitRDun Oct 2015 #122

Your right uponit7771 Oct 2015 #136

Ad homs are the norm now uponit7771 Oct 2015 #135

See post 174....apology will be accepted. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #179

I'm curious. How do you think Silceo being a troll makes you less wrong? Scuba Oct 2015 #180

Politico quoted Sanders verbatim Sliceo Oct 2015 #46

and he's not wrong. Killing the messenger is the last defense of the losing roguevalley Oct 2015 #68

The koch bros political party is desperate to knock off Hillary workinclasszero Oct 2015 #109

Nah, they see Bernie's populist anti-oligarch appeal & it makes 'em nervous. senz Oct 2015 #116

They see Hillary as a threat workinclasszero Oct 2015 #121

Harsh, but this is true. BUT -- the Kochs ARE afraid of Bernie supporters. Hortensis Oct 2015 #127

desperate attempts to stop the inevitable? frylock Oct 2015 #177

Love this Pres Obama photo from the link.. riversedge Oct 2015 #2

I love that photo! I am so glad Hillary is running to carry on the Obama legacy. leftofcool Oct 2015 #14

Ageed, great picture! Go Hillary lewebley3 Oct 2015 #84

Yep,we need more of that :/ Go Vols Oct 2015 #89

Many Democrats ARE deeply disappointed with Obama. 99Forever Oct 2015 #3

So, you support the attacks on Obama....in order to boost Sanders? I appreciate the honesty! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #4

What I don't support... 99Forever Oct 2015 #5

Your own words.... Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #9

Bullshit. 99Forever Oct 2015 #11

Your own words, you mean? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #12

As a fair and unbiased observer I must say you make a lot of great points. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Oct 2015 #22

Why, thank you, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Oct 2015 #35

I can never let a blessing go unheeded. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #36

Okay then. 99Forever Oct 2015 #37

I am 100% sincere DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #38

One can both agree with that rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #39

I believe the Obama Presidency is or was unique nolabels Oct 2015 #156

'fair and unbiased observer' Live and Learn Oct 2015 #75

I am a paragon of fairness, objectivity, and impartiality. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #76

DUzy. Funniest posts of the day. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #78

My commitment to dispassionate analysis was, is, and shall remain unwavering. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #79

Bullshit. 99Forever Oct 2015 #21

really? Karl Rove Is Ruining the GOP virtualobserver Oct 2015 #19

No. That is NOT an attack. It is a statement of fact, or at the very least, an opinion. pangaia Oct 2015 #99

actually, Politico was started by a bunch of ex-reaganites still_one Oct 2015 #118

Explanatin of positions does not mean "Attacks" Armstead Oct 2015 #13

How is the truth an attack? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #73

Your last sentence is truth, but that is far from what the OP implied, that much is undeniable. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #80

I think your analysis of what Sanders 'implied' is faulty. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #81

A completely idiotic non sequitur by you Jim Lane Oct 2015 #117

You do realize Clinton is taking shots at the Obama administration as well Prism Oct 2015 #165

"Shots"? You call those "shots"?... As in "respectful disagreement" on a couple of issues...I agree. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #168

I can't find a link, but you should see the Benghazi statement Prism Oct 2015 #169

That he did. I have always thought listening to Autumn Oct 2015 #25

Funny tho... 99Forever Oct 2015 #33

Gotta ignore that, when they go there the discussion is over. Autumn Oct 2015 #34

He joins Bill is the most effective privatization presidents ibegurpard Oct 2015 #43

Exactly. 99Forever Oct 2015 #45

So tell me how was he going to get the blue dogs to vote for single-payer? He didn't have the votes still_one Oct 2015 #120

He didn't even try. 99Forever Oct 2015 #126

I hear you loud and clear. We're just going to disagree on this one. still_one Oct 2015 #129

I can live with that. 99Forever Oct 2015 #132

LOL still_one Oct 2015 #133

And I AM Too! I Knew He Was More Conservative From The Get-Go, But ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #123

That's not true and you know it. Once reality hits Bernie in his butt..she how much he waffles. It kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #155

Actually I know it IS true. 99Forever Oct 2015 #158

That's because It's true. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #6

Recommend! KoKo Oct 2015 #163

I said when Sanders announced that his call to primary Obama would sufrommich Oct 2015 #7

I think he might be asked about this in the debates. leftofcool Oct 2015 #61

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #137

and what FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #8

He's been at it since Bill took office in 1993. ucrdem Oct 2015 #10

Alan Greenspan, NAFTA, Media and Financial Deregulation.... Armstead Oct 2015 #18

. . . have nothing to do with the OP. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #94

This is how he plans to appeal to African American voters - calling Obama weak wyldwolf Oct 2015 #15

Good luck with that for Sanders and his supporters....the opposite of what they should be doing! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #23

Yeah Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #24

This is how Hillary supporters try to sow division between Bernie and AAs senz Oct 2015 #44

Bernie is doing a fine job of it himself wyldwolf Oct 2015 #49

Bernie does not have a racist bone in his body and you know it. senz Oct 2015 #50

who said anything about racism? wyldwolf Oct 2015 #52

You did when you opposed Bernie to "African American voters." senz Oct 2015 #57

No I didn't wyldwolf Oct 2015 #58

LOL, how slippery. Like a boy with his hand in the cookie jar. senz Oct 2015 #63

LOL, how desperate. Like a boy struggling to comprehend basic definitions. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #65

You. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #95

No I didn't. prove it wyldwolf Oct 2015 #102

You were the one who performed the shiftaroo from Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #106

But that is neither racism or ... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #111

by speaking in July hfojvt Oct 2015 #96

Precisely. senz Oct 2015 #114

By posting Sanders own words?!?!! uponit7771 Oct 2015 #138

Taken out of context, not even close to his full opinion of Obama. senz Oct 2015 #150

Wait..."Obama is weak in negotiating with republicans" doesn't stand by itself??! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #159

Your subject line dropped off some words. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #82

Nah, my subject line is complete wyldwolf Oct 2015 #85

Then your subject line is simply untrue. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #90

My subject line is completely true and you contradicted yourself wyldwolf Oct 2015 #92

Perhaps, you should read my post again without your tinted glasses on. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #97

It's completely contradictory wyldwolf Oct 2015 #101

No need to be rude. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #103

I'm never rude to someone else is first wyldwolf Oct 2015 #104

Now that is a wierd subject line. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #107

Ah, the feigning ignorance routine wyldwolf Oct 2015 #108

This conversation has obviously deteriorated in to unintelligible discourse. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #110

Yeah it's a shame you had to set it down that path. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #113

Your reading it wrong uponit7771 Oct 2015 #139

I'm one of them. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #16

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Oct 2015 #26

Absolutely! HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #27

as am I. Tired of right wing Democrats. nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #31

as am I ibegurpard Oct 2015 #53

^ what he said n/t ejbr Oct 2015 #72

I voted for him twice ybbor Oct 2015 #91

Bernie will continue using drones. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #157

His criticism of Obama is spot on. Broward Oct 2015 #40

Bernie Sanders Endorses Obama's Push to Protect Your Retirement. Where's Hillary? senz Oct 2015 #41

I go back and forth tularetom Oct 2015 #42

He just said that in July this year? treestar Oct 2015 #47

i am an obama supporter and i support bernie questionseverything Oct 2015 #51

Is Obama a weak president? wyldwolf Oct 2015 #54

Yes, calling him weak is more than disagreement with what he did treestar Oct 2015 #55

Not if you support privatization ibegurpard Oct 2015 #56

he certainly seemed weak when negotiating the public option away questionseverything Oct 2015 #62

how is it weak when the Blue Dogs would just not go for it? treestar Oct 2015 #66

we had a good bill from the house questionseverything Oct 2015 #74

They did use that treestar Oct 2015 #87

at the time i gave obama the benefit of the doubt questionseverything Oct 2015 #93

So I guess in the same situation, a strong President like Sanders would have come away with... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #167

when bernie sponsored the amendment that got us the one time fed audit questionseverything Oct 2015 #172

"Everything on the table" is a weak negotiating position. joshcryer Oct 2015 #166

^^^That^^^ onecaliberal Oct 2015 #60

I am also an Obama supporter who supports Bernie. senz Oct 2015 #59

I am both an Obama and Sanders supporter. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #86

The amount of dismissing Sanders own wood is gob smacking uponit7771 Oct 2015 #140

I hope he is asked about it during the debate. Not a good moment from Sanders. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #64

Obama won because people wanted Hope and Change Armstead Oct 2015 #69

While it's 100% true, Sanders should never have said that! mhatrw Oct 2015 #70

Almost everyone I know is disappointed in Obama. So much political potential WASTED. AzDar Oct 2015 #71

we all know why he's running: Obama got a mandate and then created a literal "veal pen" MisterP Oct 2015 #77

Some people really have trouble with the truth. highprincipleswork Oct 2015 #88

I supported President Obama both times he ran. I was fed jwirr Oct 2015 #98

+1 And I love his family too. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #105

I am a staunch Obama supporter who donated Indepatriot Oct 2015 #100

"Obama is weak"? That will go over well. He gave us healthcare. I know, it wasn't single payer, still_one Oct 2015 #115

No he did NOT give us healthcare ibegurpard Oct 2015 #119

You didn't answer my question. How could he have gotten single payer to pass without the votes? still_one Oct 2015 #125

He gave us better than what we had for most... The fact Sanders doesn't recognize the is bad judgmen uponit7771 Oct 2015 #147

That last sentence treestar Oct 2015 #134

This whole thread from Right Wing POLITICO should go over well with OBAMA supporter. nt Stellar Oct 2015 #128

I question the intent of this OP olddots Oct 2015 #130

Sanders judgement here is bad, this was not smart...no matter what Obmam does in support this bell uponit7771 Oct 2015 #141

Bernie supporters have been informed since the beginning of his campaign Sheepshank Oct 2015 #145

+1 It's an unthoughtful diss too.... Don't know what it adds to his champaign uponit7771 Oct 2015 #146

Frankly, when Bernie first entered the race..... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #149

He hasn't evolved, I heard him on MTP and he pissed me off by not answering on what he'd uponit7771 Oct 2015 #160

How can Bernie say he's consistent? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #170

+1,My biggest angst against Sanders is he is intimating he can throw a stone in categories... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #171

Dishonest headline. Vattel Oct 2015 #148

Very dishonest. senz Oct 2015 #151

Quoting Sanders words isn't dishonest, I can read them for myself and saying Obama is weak in... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #162

well bernie just lost my primary vote.... chillfactor Oct 2015 #152

I have been around just about as long as you and I disagree, Bernie Speaks the TRUTH YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #154

He couldn't speak the truth this morning when asked straight up what he'd do different than Obama... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #161

Previously banned troll. Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #174

Troll who seems to have more than a few fans at DU when he posted ludicrous anti-Obama screeds! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #178