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MADem

(135,425 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:35 AM Oct 2015

SLATE: Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. [View all]

It’s Just Not True.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html


....Sanders is not quite the gay rights visionary his defenders would like us to believe. Sanders did oppose DOMA—but purely on states’ rights grounds. And as recently as 2006, Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont. The senator may have evolved earlier than his primary opponents. But the fact remains that, in the critical early days of the modern marriage equality movement, Sanders was neutral at best and hostile at worst.

Like his current Senate colleague Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, Sanders deserves credit for opposing DOMA—then a popular measure with bipartisan support—while a member of the House of Representatives in 1996. But Sanders’ efforts to parlay this vote into indisputable proof of his marriage equality bona fides ring hollow in light of his statements at the time. Explaining his vote in 1996, Sanders’ chief of staff declared that it was motivated by a concern for states’ rights, not equality. Explaining that he wasn’t “legislating values,” she noted that Sanders believed DOMA violated the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause by allowing one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another. “You’re opening up Pandora’s box here,” she said at the time. “You’re saying that any state can refuse to … recognize the laws of another state if they don’t like them.” ...... Ten years later, Sanders took a similarly cautious approach to same-sex marriage. In 2006, he took a stand against same-sex marriage in Vermont, stating that he instead endorsed civil unions. Sanders told reporters that he was “comfortable” with civil unions, not full marriage equality. (To justify his stance, Sanders complained that a battle for same-sex marriage would be too “divisive.”) At the time, he also opposed a federal anti-gay-marriage amendment—but so did his Republican opponent for the Senate seat, Richard Tarrant, who also supported civil unions. With a wide lead in the polls and little at stake, Sanders declined to differentiate himself from his opponent by taking the lead on gay rights.

Earlier in his political career, Sanders was even more indifferent toward gay rights: As mayor of Burlington in 1990, Sanders told an interviewer that LGBT rights were not a “major priority” for him. Asked if he would support a bill to protect gays from job discrimination, Sanders responded, “probably not.” That was 25 years ago. Sanders has, no doubt, come a long way since then: The senator endorsed Vermont’s successful Marriage Equality Act in 2009 and has cheered the Supreme Court’s marriage rulings. And he is co-sponsoring the Equality Act, a sweeping federal LGBT rights bill that advocacy groups place high on their post-marriage agenda.


Still, Sanders’ exaggeration of his marriage equality record is strange and unwise. If Sanders were honest about his evolution—and, yes, it was an evolution—then he could still brag about supporting marriage equality long before his chief primary rival. Instead, he has attempted to reframe his somewhat tepid support as vociferous and unabating. The LGBTQ community can surely forgive Sanders’ less-than-spotless record on gay rights—but that process can only begin once he’s honest about it. And in the Democratic candidates’ race to secure the gay community’s vote, honesty has been in surprisingly short supply.







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A blog post? Where are the sources for his quotes? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1
There's video. nt MADem Oct 2015 #5
Where Bernie says he opposed marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6
Listen to him. He favors CIVIL UNIONS, not marriage. And he says it is a states right issue. MADem Oct 2015 #14
Where does he say he opposes same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15
You mean the one like Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #226
Marriage used to be a state issue. Ask any professor of family law. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #86
....! KoKo Oct 2015 #227
A flashback moment: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #185
Wow, he really said that? "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #199
Yes, MADem really said that... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #204
He is a he, at least he said he is. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #205
Ah. MADem's profile page says thesquanderer Oct 2015 #207
I don't specify my gender in my profile either. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #209
You will never know because I will never tell--at least not you. Never have, never will. MADem Oct 2015 #237
I don't think Bernie ever opposed SSM jfern Oct 2015 #16
He never did. The blogger is a liar. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18
Well, that's bullshit and easily disproved. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #2
Where in that statement does he call for legalizing same-sex marriage? nt pnwmom Oct 2015 #49
Where was the claim made that he called for "legalizing same-sex marriage in that statement"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52
What part of "Let us abolish all laws which attempt to a particular brand of morality or Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #70
Since in later years he said he supported civil unions, not same sex marriage, pnwmom Oct 2015 #116
When did he say he supported one and not the other? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120
Yes, the everyday movement of 'practices' in state legislatures does not move in a riversedge Oct 2015 #180
Moving goalposts.. deadlinetony Oct 2015 #197
And another Bernie Sanders myth bites the dust... DanTex Oct 2015 #3
Because a blogger says so? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #4
Yes, I'm sure the video there has been doctored... DanTex Oct 2015 #7
Seriously? He didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
LOL. This is getting a little ridiculous. DanTex Oct 2015 #10
For the people who are sick of seeing lgbt rights exploited by HC supporters. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #12
No one is looking at the video where he says, plainly, his objection is that it is MADem Oct 2015 #9
I've looked at it 5 times, he didn't want them to overturn states who legalized ssm. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11
"I think the whole issue of marriage is a STATE ISSUE." MADem Oct 2015 #17
Where is the part where he said he opposed same sex marriage like the blogger claims? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21
Civil unions are not marriage equality. Civil unions are a lesser choice, and that is what he said MADem Oct 2015 #23
Point out the exact part of the video where he says he opposes same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24
I am not going to keep repeating myself, over and over. MADem Oct 2015 #27
You haven't proven your claim yet so I'm going to keep asking for your evidence. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #28
He was asked if he supported *****same sex marriage****** MADem Oct 2015 #39
Where did he say he opposed same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #40
He didn't say he supported it and that's bad enough uponit7771 Oct 2015 #177
He voted against DOMA in 1996 - he supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #196
NOoooooooo....he has SAID he voted against DOMA because he thought .... wait for it... MADem Oct 2015 #242
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #243
He ducked the question. He was asked about equality and he pivoted and failed to answer. MADem Oct 2015 #249
So he never said that he opposed marriage equality and the blogger lied. Good to know! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #250
He was asked if he supported *****same sex marriage****** MADem Oct 2015 #251
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #252
I've answered this question, what--four, five times already? Do you think spamming is a substitute MADem Oct 2015 #253
as beam me up scottie can tell you Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #123
I don't think the author of the piece minds his answer either--what he objects to is the MADem Oct 2015 #127
"as recently as 2006, Sanders OPPOSED marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #131
He did. He said, in 2006, on that video, that he supported CIVIL UNIONS for Vermont. MADem Oct 2015 #132
Where did he say he OPPOSED same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #135
When he answered the question "Do you favor gay marriage" with "I favor civil unions." nt MADem Oct 2015 #138
Where are the words "I oppose same sex marriage"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #139
Ha ha ha! So, if he answers the question "Do you support gay marriage in VT" with the "civil MADem Oct 2015 #141
So that's your fall back? You can't prove your claim and now you're saying it's not enough for me? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #144
This isn't about that video--it's about the one in the OP. nt MADem Oct 2015 #151
Ah, how convenient. You can imply Bernie didn't support ssm but Hillary is off limits? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #152
I am not implying a thing. He was asked a question. He answered it. nt MADem Oct 2015 #154
I think the implication is all of our candidates have "evolved" a bit. Agschmid Oct 2015 #158
Start one if you'd like. I'll be the first to say, flat out, that HRC was slow out of the gate on MADem Oct 2015 #217
That was not the question that Sanders was asked Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #215
Kev, listen to it again. He was running for Senator of VT. The questioner was asking him about MADem Oct 2015 #216
I've played that C-Span segment Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #220
"Do you think that gay people should have the right to get married outside of Massachusetts MADem Oct 2015 #222
I generally agree with you Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #229
Agreed. It is minor--and I think the minor points that the author raises MADem Oct 2015 #230
re: "He replied that he supports civil unions and that is a states right issue. " thesquanderer Oct 2015 #231
He was running for the Senate against a self-funded wealthy Republican MADem Oct 2015 #236
It just can't be done through federal legislation. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #259
Wait a minute--his "position on DOMA" was that "marriage is a STATE issue" -- he MADem Oct 2015 #262
It is the way it is. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #265
Not if you regard it as a human right--like freedom. MADem Oct 2015 #266
If indeed "the state is making one person in our nation 'lesser' than another person" thesquanderer Oct 2015 #268
I see it another way. I think the federal government must speak when it comes to MADem Oct 2015 #269
I'll grant you that that's another legitimate way to look at it. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #270
He was being a politician. And that's fine. He was playing the "art of the possible" MADem Oct 2015 #272
We agree about a lot here. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #280
I see it on both sides. MADem Oct 2015 #281
You've been challenged again. You've come up short again. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #163
Watch the video. LOL at the "big table" attempt at denigration. MADem Oct 2015 #165
Nice try, but no. Come back when you find a blogger who can manage the truth. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #168
I didn't have to "try." And I haven't left so I don't need to "come back." MADem Oct 2015 #169
Why the anger, MADem? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #170
Tee hee!! MADem Oct 2015 #218
Actually no, he did not say "I favor civil unions" thesquanderer Oct 2015 #186
Marriage equality is not a states' rights issue. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #191
Two things... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #194
That is a very tortured interpretation that flies in the face of the plain meaning of what he said. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #201
I guess we're both seeing tortured interpretations in the other! thesquanderer Oct 2015 #202
2006, not 2000. MADem Oct 2015 #273
Not sure of your point here thesquanderer Oct 2015 #275
If he had been saying that in 2000, before CUs became law in VT MADem Oct 2015 #276
He was merely stating his record. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #279
It still doesn't square well with the question asked, which was about marriage and legislative MADem Oct 2015 #282
Yes, we agree he ducked it. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #283
There is no issue that he supported those things. MADem Oct 2015 #284
It doesn't matter that there was no issue that he supported these things. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #285
No, the overstatement is in the "I was always there, I didn't have to evolve" MADem Oct 2015 #287
I provided an alternate reading for that, in post #278. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #288
p.s. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #289
He was consistent in his view that DOMA was a matter for the states, as well. MADem Oct 2015 #290
Given: He felt that DOMA was a matter for the states. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #291
+1,000! nt MADem Oct 2015 #238
Do three things. MADem Oct 2015 #219
I did your exercise thesquanderer Oct 2015 #228
There is a lot to unpack there....let me hit a few high points. MADem Oct 2015 #254
Yes, we agree he ducked the issue thesquanderer Oct 2015 #261
I have enjoyed our conversation. MADem Oct 2015 #274
You on marriage equality and the States: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #187
There's a difference between expressing what "the reality" was and expressing a personal view on MADem Oct 2015 #271
Another lie about Bernie Sanders is what bit the dust... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #182
BOOM! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #221
Bullshit. Bonobo Oct 2015 #13
He also voted against both DADT and DOMA in the first place jfern Oct 2015 #19
Watch the video. nt MADem Oct 2015 #20
I think that's how Bonobo came to know what's in the video. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #22
Yeah, I urge EVERYONE to watch the video. nt Bonobo Oct 2015 #26
Nothing new there, no smoking gun, no proof of MADem's claim that Bernie opposed ssm. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #29
I was a strong Hillary supporter Puglover Oct 2015 #173
Maybe you should write an OP or three about it! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #203
A video of Abraham Lincoln saying... deadlinetony Oct 2015 #155
EXACTLY-- your words, exactly.... MADem Oct 2015 #25
Did he say "Civil unions--not marriage equality" or are those your words? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #30
He was asked if he supported same sex marriage. He answered that he supports MADem Oct 2015 #41
So he never said what you claim, that he opposed same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
Actually, they are. All state recognized marriages are civil unions. Each and every one. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #51
If you want to parse it down in that manner, you're welcome to so do. MADem Oct 2015 #63
Wow. Just wow. concreteblue Oct 2015 #106
No, I am not. You can go to the link and watch his answer to the question. MADem Oct 2015 #109
Weak sophistry Fairgo Oct 2015 #193
The 'refutation' didn't refute, though. MADem Oct 2015 #224
Exactly. It was a yes or no question. By saying he supports civil unions, his answer was no. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #115
Bingo--that's precisely it. It's de rigeur to not use "negative" language in debates. MADem Oct 2015 #119
Wrong. He never said he supported one over the other. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #122
Yes he did, by asserting he supported civil unions when asked if he supported ssm. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #126
Where did he say he supported one and not the other? I must have missed it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #130
Why didn't he say YES when asked if he supported ssm? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #136
So you can't prove that claim? Good to know. The op couldn't either. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #137
I did prove the claim, using Sanders' own words. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #140
Which words? Where did he say he opposed same sex marriage? The exact words, please. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #142
I already told you in post 126. You may enjoy repeating yourself but I don't. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #146
I must have missed, it. Did he say he opposed same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #147
You did, but you're not going to get anything but cut-and-paste for your efforts! MADem Oct 2015 #255
Yes, like talking to a broken record. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #258
I love Bernie Sanders... one_voice Oct 2015 #195
Except that being for civil unions does not mean you're against gay marriage. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #188
Except that Sanders was not asked if he supported civil unions. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #192
I find it interesting that you cast it as a negative, MADem Scootaloo Oct 2015 #32
I don't "cast it as a negative." I think that, so long as we are going to be MADem Oct 2015 #46
If it's not a negative, then why are you using it as an attack? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #50
I am not "using it as an attack" either. MADem Oct 2015 #69
It's not snark. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #79
I just posted an article by a gay man who writes for SLATE. MADem Oct 2015 #95
And it's Madem coming around the third leg JackInGreen Oct 2015 #31
LMAO beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #34
Real classy. nt MADem Oct 2015 #47
If you don't like the tilt of my shuttlecock JackInGreen Oct 2015 #74
A scatological badminton reference? How quaint. MADem Oct 2015 #78
No revealing is the continual line of dead-horse OPS JackInGreen Oct 2015 #81
Line of OPs? MADem Oct 2015 #84
You do that JackInGreen Oct 2015 #85
I have no idea what you are talking about. Have a nice night. nt MADem Oct 2015 #104
That makes both of us Homey JackInGreen Oct 2015 #108
LOL! n/t bvf Oct 2015 #64
And at the end of the race passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #92
Jury results: merrily Oct 2015 #117
You sure all 4 of them are racing deadlinetony Oct 2015 #198
Not long ago there were quite a few people against same sex marriage. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #33
He was never opposed to same sex marriage, the blogger lied. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #35
Even better Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #36
Bernie Sanders said same sex marriage was a states rights issue moobu2 Oct 2015 #42
Changed his position from what to what? Where did he say he opposed ssm? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #43
Bernie Sanders said same sex marriage was a states rights issue. moobu2 Oct 2015 #56
Where did he say he opposed marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #59
He said he was for civil unions not full marriage equality back in the day. moobu2 Oct 2015 #67
Where did he say he was not for "full marriage equality"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68
Bernie fans are going to have to retire that camp weathervane meme workinclasszero Oct 2015 #223
Of COURSE he is--that's in the article, too, that he was ahead of the curve as well. nt MADem Oct 2015 #48
The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53
According to that Q and A, in 2006, that is an accurate statement. nt MADem Oct 2015 #60
Nope. The blogger lied and your claim that Bernie opposed ssm was false. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62
We will simply have to disagree on that score. MADem Oct 2015 #65
You made a claim and failed to back it up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66
No, that's not accurate. I provided an article for comment, and you became angry at me MADem Oct 2015 #71
You posted "It’s Just Not True." And now you're claiming that I "became angry". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #72
You have a nice evening, now. MADem Oct 2015 #75
Well if you would have answered me I wouldn't have had to keep asking. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77
Of course, but if Hillary changes, murielm99 Oct 2015 #80
Except that Bernie didn't "evolve" since he never opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #82
Sanders evolved as the OP notes. Good for him-and good for Clinton. Nothing wrong with evolving riversedge Oct 2015 #171
Indeed. MADem Oct 2015 #87
Because the author lied. He didn't say he thought Bernie opposed ssm, he stated it as fact. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #88
Hmmm. Your source says Bernie was mayor of Burlington in 1990. He was not. In1988 Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #37
Whole lotta fail in that blog. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #38
You're right--he's not "my" source, though--he's Slate's. nt MADem Oct 2015 #58
You brought it here and presented it as fact so it's your source. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61
You have a nice evening, now! MADem Oct 2015 #73
Haha desperate shit peddling whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #45
Yup... SoapBox Oct 2015 #55
You're free to disregard it as you wish. nt MADem Oct 2015 #57
gets an E for effort azurnoir Oct 2015 #54
Wow! Some campaign teams are becoming really desperate. Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #76
The writer of that piece is "speaking as a gay man," and he's not fond of ANY of the MADem Oct 2015 #83
Ahah - so it's just me disagreeing with the author on what constitutes Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #105
No--the author's beef is re: honesty. He sums it up in the last paragraph. MADem Oct 2015 #107
How many of our staunch allies were advocating equal marriage rights in 1975? Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #111
The video was from 2006. WAY after DOMA. In 2006 equality WAS on the radar. That's why it was MADem Oct 2015 #112
Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #118
I'm just going to leave this here for the sake of irony: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #89
"It's for the raising for the children for the society..." MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #183
This is absolute bull shit from a poster blocked from the LGBT group. Fearless Oct 2015 #90
Yes, I was blocked for refusing to throw former President Jimmy Carter under the bus. MADem Oct 2015 #93
No, Jimmy Carter said that it should always be left up to the states. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94
You were blocked for causing a ruckus in the group. Fearless Oct 2015 #96
I'm "causing a ruckus" because I posted an article by a gay writer about a candidate for POTUS's MADem Oct 2015 #97
I asked why you posted it Fearless Oct 2015 #98
You accused me of "causing a ruckus." MADem Oct 2015 #101
I certainly did not accuse. Fearless Oct 2015 #102
An article that you do not like is not a synonym for "a false article." nt MADem Oct 2015 #103
When it is full of fact-free lies... deadlinetony Oct 2015 #200
Nothing to be sorry for--that article is fact based. I'm not beating a horse, but MADem Oct 2015 #213
unrec for BS. 840high Oct 2015 #91
Hillary supported the Iraq War and Live and Learn Oct 2015 #99
HRC supporters are running scared mentalslavery Oct 2015 #100
Sanders loves him some "states' rights." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #110
Hillary asserted states' rights re: gun control - are you going to compare her to racists too? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #113
Wrong. Hillary did not invoke "states' rights." Sanders repeatedly does. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #128
Those aren't her words? Which part of what she said doesn't assert states' rights? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #134
Seems to be a pattern. ucrdem Oct 2015 #114
I just had this image flash before my eyes LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #121
Are you as tired of seeing women and minorities exploited as I am? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #124
Definitely, it the tactic of someone with no real argument of their own LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #125
He just won't listen, lgbt people have told him so IN THIS THREAD and he refuses to see it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #129
Thanks for kicking the thread. The gay author of the blog IS right. The video doesn't lie. nt MADem Oct 2015 #143
The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #145
He is not a "blogger" -- he is a SLATE writer who reports on LGBT and Law issues--and his report is MADem Oct 2015 #148
I know what question was asked, I know far more about this than you do apparently. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #149
The video is the video, and the words are the words. nt MADem Oct 2015 #150
His report claims Bernie was Mayor of Burlington in 1990 which he was not. This is one of the few Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #189
Hillary supporters love to parrot every lie the media makes up about Bernie jfern Oct 2015 #133
Yet Another Baseless Bernie Attack cantbeserious Oct 2015 #153
Great Article Gothmog Oct 2015 #156
When you have a video of bernie saying marriage should be only between a man and a woman, get back djean111 Oct 2015 #157
That's not what this thread is about. Why even ask for something like that? MADem Oct 2015 #160
Whatever Bernie said, it was not as bad as Hillary's "marriage is only between a man and a woman" djean111 Oct 2015 #161
That's certainly true. But that's not the point of the article, either. nt MADem Oct 2015 #162
The point of the article is to somehow make it appear that Hillary is better on gay rights than djean111 Oct 2015 #164
Absolutely not--this writer has gone after Clinton too (and plenty of people yelling MADem Oct 2015 #166
Sanders has evolved on gay marriage just like Hillary did. End of story. riversedge Oct 2015 #175
Please provide evidence where Sanders has said: "Marriage is between a man and a woman." Armstead Oct 2015 #176
ah, I do not have to. Evolving does not mean specific words that one has said. It is movement from riversedge Oct 2015 #181
^^THAT^^ MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #184
Another Catch 22 moving goalposts Armstead Oct 2015 #159
Boom. I'm votin' for Bernie Sanders. #feelinthefuckingBern cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #167
And another poster is added to my list of "Don't bother reading his/her crap." (eom) mak3cats Oct 2015 #172
excellent restorefreedom Oct 2015 #174
Hmmm...he evolved on the issue Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #178
WOW, this whole thread is like arguing about what the meaning of "is", is tularetom Oct 2015 #179
This message was self-deleted by its author thesquanderer Oct 2015 #190
For everyone who believes this crap here is the transcript: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #206
You should include the question that was asked--that makes a difference. nt MADem Oct 2015 #208
Please point out in that text where he said he opposes same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #210
Put the question that was asked in front of your quote and it's apparent to everyone. MADem Oct 2015 #211
That's what I thought. Aaaaaaaaand we're all done here folks! Nothing to see. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #212
Funny how you refuse to do that. You keep avoiding simply putting the question down ahead of MADem Oct 2015 #214
I think MADem has started to come around. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #232
I'll believe it when he admits that Bernie never said he opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #233
Btw, excellent work in this thread! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #234
Thank you, I very much appreciate that! (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2015 #264
"Ducking the question" is the same as "Being politically expedient." MADem Oct 2015 #256
I mostly agree. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #263
The full-throated support comes from the "I didn't have to evolve--I was there" remarks he has MADem Oct 2015 #267
"I didn't have to evolve--I was there" is not the exact quote. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #278
There is only one thing I'm more tired of than the 'state's rights' excuse and that is... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #225
Jimmy Carter, Mr. Habitat For Humanity, was named Asshole of the Year for not being "correct" MADem Oct 2015 #239
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #240
Read the link at post 242. He DUCKED the question. MADem Oct 2015 #244
So he never said he opposed same sex marriage. Thanks! I suppose you'll be deleting this op? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #246
Show me in that video where he says--in answer to the QUESTION he was asked--that he supports it. MADem Oct 2015 #257
Real strange to see states rights advocacy workinclasszero Oct 2015 #241
State's rights advocacy? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #245
From the OP's post... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #247
The blogger lied. Unless you can point out where Bernie said he opposed marriage equality: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #248
i think what we see being displayed rather starkly is.. DianeK Oct 2015 #286
Who gives a damn what a lying blogger with an agenda said? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #260
More lies from the group that lies constantly on DU. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #235
Longer than Hillary would be irrefutable . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #277
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