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2016 Postmortem

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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:00 PM Sep 2015

Hillary Clinton: Come Clean or Get Out [View all]

If the Demo­crat­ic Party cares to sal­vage a sliv­er of mor­al au­thor­ity, its lead­ers and early state voters need to send Hil­lary Rod­ham Clin­ton an ur­gent mes­sage: Come clean or get out. Stop ly­ing and de­flect­ing about how and why you stashed State De­part­ment email on a secret serv­er—or stop run­ning.

For Demo­crats, this is an op­por­tun­ity wasted. A crowded GOP field has been taken host­age by a celebrity bil­lion­aire with a his­tory of bank­ruptcies, sex­ist be­ha­vi­or, and ra­cially of­fens­ive state­ments. Lack­ing a firm grip on policy or the truth, Don­ald Trump is the GOP front-run­ner. His closest com­pet­i­tion, Dr. Ben Car­son, said Sunday he didn’t think a Muslim should be pres­id­ent, and his ef­forts to clean up the con­tro­versy have been as ham-handed as they are dis­hon­est.

Even if they’re right, the Clin­ton team has un­der­es­tim­ated the value that voters place on a can­did­ate’s char­ac­ter. One top Clin­ton ad­viser told me in the spring, “Trust doesn’t mat­ter.”


http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/73675/hillary-clinton-come-clean-get-out

Note: DailyKos says National Journal is middle, not left or right.

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Screw that noise. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #1
Did the air raid sirens disturb your sleep again, poor boy? leveymg Sep 2015 #7
It's been over ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2015 #2
BASH randys1 Sep 2015 #3
Everything..... daleanime Sep 2015 #15
My choice is Bernie, and if he doesnt win my choice will be Women's lives and voting rights randys1 Sep 2015 #17
The right is starting to freak out as her presidency seems more and more arely staircase Sep 2015 #70
Your concern is duly noted Renew Deal Sep 2015 #4
FUNNIEST POST OF THE YEAR! Metric System Sep 2015 #5
Let's correct this a bit: Fawke Em Sep 2015 #6
+1 but simply "stop run­ning" works for me n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #9
That's really what a lot of this is about. Renew Deal Sep 2015 #20
And some of us don't particularly like her Fawke Em Sep 2015 #22
May come as a shock to you but plenty of people don't like neoliberalism Catherina Sep 2015 #27
It has a lot to do with personality and gender. Renew Deal Sep 2015 #57
The same applies to some of her most ardent supporters.. frylock Sep 2015 #59
A little on Ron Fournier... brooklynite Sep 2015 #8
A "top Clinton adviser told me" oasis Sep 2015 #10
She has no concept of the greater good; it's all about her and the party be damned. Drip-drip-drip. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #11
Bernie Sanders would be disgusted with your reply. Please, stop the insanity. RBInMaine Sep 2015 #74
Bernie would think your reply is douchey, passive-aggressive, lame ass brow-beating. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #75
How about The Donald katmondoo Sep 2015 #12
Why don't we let the voters decide? nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #13
Because of the "drip...drip...drip" handling of the situation. jeff47 Sep 2015 #16
If the voters don't like how she's handling it, she won't win. Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #19
By not releasing everything, she's ensuring the voters do not have all the information jeff47 Sep 2015 #24
Dem primary voters are smart and well-informed. She won't win if they believe she's dishonest. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #28
Then a smart and well-informed primary voter such as your self could answer that question. jeff47 Sep 2015 #30
The voters will decide. Isn't Democracy lovely? nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #33
You're a voter. What's your decision? jeff47 Sep 2015 #34
There really is no such thing as a 'secure' server. Even government servers get hacked. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #36
I didn't ask if it was absolutely secure. jeff47 Sep 2015 #39
Again, there's no such thing as a secure server. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #41
And again, that is not the question I asked. jeff47 Sep 2015 #43
A 'secure' server is like a unicorn. They're fun to believe in, but ultimately non-existent. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #45
And I've explained to you several times that that is not what I was asking. jeff47 Sep 2015 #51
There is no such thing as a 'secure' server. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #53
So, you aren't a well-informed primary voter? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #56
The Dem primary voters will decide if Hillary, Bernie or anyone else will be the nominee. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #58
And tomorrow, the sun will rise. Both of those statements have nothing to do jeff47 Sep 2015 #66
If voters believe Hillary is not responsible when it comes to governing, she won't be chosen. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #67
That is true, but there are layers of security on government servers. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #44
If the voters don't like her decision making, she won't win. Simple. Isn't democracy lovely? nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #50
Democracy works better when people know what's going on. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #72
Dem primary voters are aware of her decision-making when it comes to this issue. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #78
Yet you can't answer a simple question about it. How odd if you're so aware. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #79
I'm referring to her decision to use a private server. Voters are aware of that decision. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #80
I know that kind of argument has a name but upaloopa Sep 2015 #37
You not liking the question does not make it an invalid question. jeff47 Sep 2015 #40
It's a bogus question upaloopa Sep 2015 #63
No, it's a question you don't want to discuss. jeff47 Sep 2015 #65
look for yourself BlueStateLib Sep 2015 #81
I already know the answer. jeff47 Sep 2015 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #68
Interesting message HassleCat Sep 2015 #14
Ron Fournier from the National Journal. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #18
The source is suspect, which is why I added "unsecure, easily-hacked server" Fawke Em Sep 2015 #26
My sourse is telling me something completely different. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #32
I don't know squat about Gowdy. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #46
I never said you knew Gowdy. Though I would think people would know.... NCTraveler Sep 2015 #49
See, I'm not part of the witch hunt. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #52
How she screwed up the security on her server. jeff47 Sep 2015 #21
Someone needs to round up all that info. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #29
I'm afraid the drip-drip-drip of this self-inflicted wound will cost us the White House. Vinca Sep 2015 #23
I know what's in the hands of the FBI: every single email sent by Hillary, Bill, Chelsea, Huma Dems to Win Sep 2015 #64
Agreed. Vinca Sep 2015 #69
Maybe Biden Is Being Prepped Because The Establishment Already Knows She Is A Lost Cause cantbeserious Sep 2015 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #25
Yawn. Another Beltway journalist raving about an issue almost no one outside the beltway cares about LonePirate Sep 2015 #31
Finally!!! 99Forever Sep 2015 #38
With all of the problems we face, if this issue is important to you, then I question your priorities LonePirate Sep 2015 #42
But I was just assured.... 99Forever Sep 2015 #55
Shit, we were assured half a year ago that this was nothing.. frylock Sep 2015 #62
I'm outside the beltway and I care whether her server was protected. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #48
Don't vote for her ok? upaloopa Sep 2015 #35
How many other Dem candidates would get away with serial lies? TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #47
Oh wow Ron Fournier dsc Sep 2015 #60
Sigh mcar Sep 2015 #61
and your party is going with Trump! LOL! Without McCarthyism what would the GOP do for a campaign? Bill USA Sep 2015 #71
Thanks for this steaming pile of nonsensical bullshit. RBInMaine Sep 2015 #73
There is a legitimate problem here portlander23 Sep 2015 #76
The FOIA part of this story hasn't really been talked about much Yupster Sep 2015 #83
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