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mhatrw

(10,786 posts) Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:11 AM Sep 2015

A simple question for Cornel West's legion detractors. [View all]

Personally, I absolutely adore Cornel West. He is one of my intellectual heroes.

So, I have a simple question for all of West's detractors around here.

Putting all of the personality bullshit and PC considerations aside, on which actual issues do you prefer Obama's stance and analysis to West's stance and analysis?

Wall Street?

Drones?

Minimum Wage?

Social Justice?

What?

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A simple question for Cornel West's legion detractors. [View all] mhatrw Sep 2015 OP

They are not going to say Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #1

I thought they prefer emotion over intellect actually. n/t haikugal Sep 2015 #26

Obama is the President of the United States stevil Sep 2015 #2

So that's a..... daleanime Sep 2015 #4

Criticism is always welcome stevil Sep 2015 #7

So what would you call it when you can't tell the difference.... daleanime Sep 2015 #10

There is no question stevil Sep 2015 #12

The question was about positions.. haikugal Sep 2015 #30

No, that's senseless, isn't it? sibelian Sep 2015 #84

Discussing issues used to be what politics is all about. I listen to West sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #83

I would. People can clearly understand Sanders and West's differences and the one that offers the ancianita Sep 2015 #94

It's never about the issues jfern Sep 2015 #3

Never post a positive TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #5

Sanders supports the Drone Program JI7 Sep 2015 #6

Excellent analysis.... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #8

That was just sad. sibelian Sep 2015 #86

The explanation is simple, too, and has already been given to you in the AA Group. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #9

No one is above reproach, and no one is so perfect that they can't be liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #11

You didn't 'hear' a single thing I said. nt scarletwoman Sep 2015 #13

Referring to the president as a Republican in blackface isn't valid criticism mythology Sep 2015 #15

Obama has likened himself to Reagan before. As to the black face comment I am not liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #17

But referring to a candidate as "a republican with his head between women's legs" is A-OK Scootaloo Sep 2015 #49

You should be criticizing him for pairing with West . . . brush Sep 2015 #40

I'm not going to criticize him because his decision may cost him votes. I'm so tired liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #61

What? That's mindboggling! brush Sep 2015 #66

so..... grasswire Sep 2015 #14

You'll have to ask them. nt scarletwoman Sep 2015 #16

oh, sorry. You seemed to be speaking for them. grasswire Sep 2015 #19

I'm not speaking for them, I'm reporting what they have said on this matter. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #25

And yet, I keep hearing white folks here TM99 Sep 2015 #27

,..That^ 840high Sep 2015 #41

This! Thank you brother! Catherina Sep 2015 #50

I love the blackness from my father. TM99 Sep 2015 #68

/\_/\_Yep, this_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #54

I would speculate you are far from alone. 99Forever Sep 2015 #56

All I've done is relay what has been said by AAs on DU. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #57

Some spoke. Not all spoke. TM99 Sep 2015 #64

BBBRAAAVVVOOO nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #97

Please note that the OP was specifically addressed to DETRACTORS. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #99

You are speaking for others TM99 Sep 2015 #148

. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #76

Thank you,I fucking love Dr. West, too. Detractors of West = detractors of Sanders. ancianita Sep 2015 #95

I completely agree. TM99 Sep 2015 #153

Right? ancianita Sep 2015 #158

So it's just nepotism? mhatrw Sep 2015 #21

he is a politician and POTUS...not a hero or a beloved family member noiretextatique Sep 2015 #23

Yes, generalizing is always fraught. The OP asked a question, and I merely sought to supply scarletwoman Sep 2015 #29

fraught with hubris and sprinkled with racism reddread Sep 2015 #156

He is a hero to many, if not to you. Do you think it's a good idea to alienate all those people pnwmom Sep 2015 #38

THIS is what the niggerization of Obama means. Think about the GOP, and why West would say this. ancianita Sep 2015 #96

What I think about this isn't the point. What affect this will have pnwmom Sep 2015 #107

AA are not monolithic, we know, and the AA who you and I hear see West differently. ancianita Sep 2015 #109

You're got it backwards. Most African Americans strongly support Obama pnwmom Sep 2015 #111

"Obama connects to a class of Americans not occupied by a sizable number of AA..." Really? scarletwoman Sep 2015 #113

Of course not. But you may not even imply that they take your side against one of the greatest black ancianita Sep 2015 #117

Let's make it simple, okay? scarletwoman Sep 2015 #121

Me, too. But being detractors of either is a losing game. We have to win, right? ancianita Sep 2015 #124

I frankly think this is bullshit. kwassa Sep 2015 #129

Small, but important correction. It should be "Attica rebellion" not "Atticus rebellion" n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #112

Absolutely correct. But my excerpt was a quote (without the [sic] notation), that's all. ancianita Sep 2015 #118

I must say... Old Crow Sep 2015 #37

Thank you for actually hearing what I said, it's greatly appreciated. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #58

Unconditional love for a political hero is a bad idea. Maedhros Sep 2015 #82

I'm merely reporting, I am not judging. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #106

I'm not a Democrat, so party loyalty isn't high on my list. Maedhros Sep 2015 #108

I wasn't speaking of party loyalty, I was speaking of loyalty to Obama. nt scarletwoman Sep 2015 #110

My apologies - I read "we ought to be humbly grateful for their loyalty" Maedhros Sep 2015 #119

But it's more than that. It's not just that black people love Obama. It's primarily that West's Number23 Sep 2015 #91

Thank you. His rage does seem misdirected, to me. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #104

Look at the people breaking their fingers trying to justify his use of the word "niggerization" Number23 Sep 2015 #105

Well, if that's who West wants to appeal to - although gawd knows why - he can have them. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #116

This is not some "new approach" of his. He's not "gone off the rails." What a narrow take. His whole ancianita Sep 2015 #123

You don't get to tell me what I know about black people, despite how much you've "read" in a book Number23 Sep 2015 #125

West is hyperbolic in his criticisms. His language is completely excessive. kwassa Sep 2015 #134

All these "critiques" of West are rage-filled, fact-free, and petty as hell. mhatrw Sep 2015 #126

And the "issues" have been explained in glorious technicolor which you have chosen to ignore Number23 Sep 2015 #135

LOL. "We" mhatrw Sep 2015 #137

Maybe it's the Royal We? MoveIt Sep 2015 #140

coronation pending mhatrw Sep 2015 #142

Holy Mother! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #152

I've been doing my level best to get an understanding of what's going on here GitRDun Sep 2015 #18

West IS very much in the spotlight. grasswire Sep 2015 #20

I know he's in the spotlight, I said that. GitRDun Sep 2015 #24

Sanders did not say Obama abandoned liberals. He jwirr Sep 2015 #90

This is not a true statement GitRDun Sep 2015 #93

All through his campaign President Obama talked about jwirr Sep 2015 #102

You sure are right, we all get screwed in the negotiations GitRDun Sep 2015 #103

What we need is the asses of the masses in the streets. mhatrw Sep 2015 #128

That's just bull GitRDun Sep 2015 #132

I never said Sanders would get 60 in the Senate. mhatrw Sep 2015 #136

Wishful thinking GitRDun Sep 2015 #141

60 in the Senate is what they want. mhatrw Sep 2015 #143

Like I said, wishful thinking... GitRDun Sep 2015 #144

OK, I guess there is no sense in trying then. mhatrw Sep 2015 #145

just no way to gitrdone reddread Sep 2015 #159

+1,000 Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #162

Exactly when did Obama ever ask people to protest in the streets? mhatrw Sep 2015 #127

Lol GitRDun Sep 2015 #146

Rich people don't care who you call or how you vote. mhatrw Sep 2015 #147

You can't ignore personality mythology Sep 2015 #22

right on. nt dionysus Sep 2015 #28

West is a truth-teller. He's an important voice; not trying to get elected. Ron Green Sep 2015 #32

Thanks for the summary. Yes, Obama has accomplished a great deal in the face of great obstacles. pnwmom Sep 2015 #35

My problem with Cornel West is not his politics. My problem underthematrix Sep 2015 #31

You nailed it JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #155

I can't put aside his nastiness toward President Obama. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33

But you casually put aside the nastiness toward LGBT out of Francis, also out of Obama's campaign Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #89

I DO put his words aside. They were not spoken with hate or nastiness. Your claim doesn't make it so ancianita Sep 2015 #101

Well we've reached an interesting point RandySF Sep 2015 #34

+1000. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #36

Well we've reached an interesting point mhatrw Sep 2015 #39

I asked that in another 840high Sep 2015 #42

If you'll look at post #9, and re-read it with an open mind... Old Crow Sep 2015 #43

Try this. brush Sep 2015 #46

How about as human beings? RandySF Sep 2015 #47

Yes. Also, how are we supposed to know what Cornel West's legion detractors think? betsuni Sep 2015 #45

It's a very good question. I suspect cults of personality only really consider personality. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #44

indeed mhatrw Sep 2015 #48

Great song. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #65

As to the quality of West's critics, others among them include the fella who was president of jtuck004 Sep 2015 #51

+1 n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #53

Scores of responses about propriety & personality clashes. mhatrw Sep 2015 #52

You noticed that too, eh? Scuba Sep 2015 #55

Because MoveIt Sep 2015 #62

Beeeeecauuuuse.... they can't read? sibelian Sep 2015 #85

Scores of responses and you haven't read a word of them. Perhaps the ISSUE is the nature of Number23 Sep 2015 #92

It doesn't meet my approval because it's more bullshit personality politics. mhatrw Sep 2015 #130

I have never said that or have even implied it. Number23 Sep 2015 #138

Because you are afraid to list off the issues mhatrw Sep 2015 #139

You refuse to consider the answers you've been given because they don't conform to YOUR framing. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #100

Yeah, it's my framing. This is politics, not celebrity news. mhatrw Sep 2015 #131

I don't care for people who call other humans racist names no matter who they are and to do such uponit7771 Sep 2015 #59

Obama is an intellectual hero to many and a proven leader. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #60

So, are you saying then that you support Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #63

Yes. That is exactly what I said. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #67

Gotcha Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #70

Exactly. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #71

That's so strange ..... I've never seen anyone actually admit so confidently polly7 Sep 2015 #72

Well, you just have me pegged. lol. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #73

Huh? polly7 Sep 2015 #74

100% nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #75

Yay drones, yay corruption! polly7 Sep 2015 #77

Yes!!!! Two hundred percent now. You got me!!!!!! lol. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #79

No ........... YOU got you. I just stated how odd it was to see. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #80

"I hate Cornel West for exercising his First Amendment rights!" mhatrw Sep 2015 #69

No one hates you. I doubt anyone hates West. randome Sep 2015 #81

I think West just wanted to let folks know that it was OK for POC mhatrw Sep 2015 #87

Maybe not the best campaign ally HassleCat Sep 2015 #78

It used to be too outrageous to speak the truth. mhatrw Sep 2015 #88

He is also the intellectual hero for a lot of African American folks and other PoC as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #98

Yes, he was the first AA student to graduate from Princeton with a Ph.D in philosophy RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #114

Yup, and he is still having a hard time catching a cab in NYC nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #115

I'm going to finally say this: those who say AAs in the South hate West are full of SHIT. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #120

Honest question gets you an honest answer Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #122

How is it unfair? mhatrw Sep 2015 #133

Because what a "philosopher" or an "activist" does Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #150

Nice post. mhatrw Sep 2015 #151

But activists play an important part in democracy Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #154

Well done. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #149

I'm one of the West bashers and Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #157

yeah. faith has been a real stumbling block. MLK jr reddread Sep 2015 #160

I was raised in a black church Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #161