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leveymg

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51. You hit it on the head: blowback. But, the proof is an open secret, right in the pages of the NYT:
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:24 PM
Aug 2015

It was his decision to stay on in Benghazi despite warnings he and other US diplomats and CIA officers received that Islamist militia groups he was dealing with in Eastern Libya had growing hostility to aspects of US involvement in the region. Ultimately, it was his choice to remain based on his and others misunderstanding of the Libyan opposition and other US "allies". See, A Deadly Mix in Benghazi by David D. Kirkpatrick December 28, 2013, http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=0

Members of the local militia groups that the Americans called on for help proved unreliable, even hostile. The fixation on Al Qaeda might have distracted experts from more imminent threats. Those now look like intelligence failures.

More broadly, Mr. Stevens, like his bosses in Washington, believed that the United States could turn a critical mass of the fighters it helped oust Colonel Qaddafi into reliable friends. He died trying.

Let's not forget why Stevens was still in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012 - for 18 months he had been the lead of a US gov't interagency team that was coordinating the armed overthrow of Ghadaffi, and after the regime's complete destruction, a coordinated transfer with Qatar and the UAE of arms and fighters from Libya to Syria. See, U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadis’ Hands, By JAMES RISEN, MARK MAZZETTI and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTDEC. 5, 2012, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?_r=0


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.

. . .

The Obama administration did not initially raise objections when Qatar began shipping arms to opposition groups in Syria
, even if it did not offer encouragement, according to current and former administration officials. But they said the United States has growing concerns that, just as in Libya, the Qataris are equipping some of the wrong militants.

The United States, which had only small numbers of C.I.A. officers in Libya during the tumult of the rebellion, provided little oversight of the arms shipments. Within weeks of endorsing Qatar’s plan to send weapons there in spring 2011, the White House began receiving reports that they were going to Islamic militant groups. They were “more antidemocratic, more hard-line, closer to an extreme version of Islam” than the main rebel alliance in Libya, said a former Defense Department official. The Qatari assistance to fighters viewed as hostile by the United States demonstrates the Obama administration’s continuing struggles in dealing with the Arab Spring uprisings, as it tries to support popular protest movements while avoiding American military entanglements. Relying on surrogates allows the United States to keep its fingerprints off operations, but also means they may play out in ways that conflict with American interests.

. . .

He said that Qatar would not have gone through with the arms shipments if the United States had resisted them, but other current and former administration officials said Washington had little leverage at times over Qatari officials. “They march to their own drummer,” said a former senior State Department official. The White House and State Department declined to comment.

. . .

But after the White House decided to encourage Qatar — and on a smaller scale, the United Arab Emirates — to ship arms to the Libyans, President Obama complained in April 2011 to the emir of Qatar that his country was not coordinating its actions in Libya with the United States, the American officials said. “The president made the point to the emir that we needed transparency about what Qatar was doing in Libya,” said a former senior administration official who had been briefed on the matter.

About that same time, Mahmoud Jibril, then the prime minister of the Libyan transitional government, expressed frustration to administration officials that the United States was allowing Qatar to arm extremist groups opposed to the new leadership, according to several American officials. They, like nearly a dozen current and former White House, diplomatic, intelligence, military and foreign officials, would speak only on the condition of anonymity for this article. The administration has never determined where all of the weapons, paid for by Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, went inside Libya, officials said. Qatar is believed to have shipped by air and sea small arms, including machine guns, automatic rifles, and ammunition, for which it has demanded reimbursement from Libya’s new government. Some of the arms since have been moved from Libya to militants with ties to Al Qaeda in Mali, where radical jihadi factions have imposed Shariah law in the northern part of the country, the former Defense Department official said. Others have gone to Syria, according to several American and foreign officials and arms traders.

Although NATO provided air support that proved critical for the Libyan rebels, the Obama administration wanted to avoid getting immersed in a ground war, which officials feared could lead the United States into another quagmire in the Middle East.




Within months after the attack in Benghazi, the flow of arms and fighters from Libya to Syria escalated, along with the direct role of Gulf states, particularly Qatar, in large-scale transfers as the US moved toward open arming of the Syrian opposition: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

Evidence gathered in Syria, along with flight-control data and interviews with militia members, smugglers, rebels, analysts and officials in several countries, offers a profile of a complex and active multinational effort, financed largely by Qatar, to transport arms from Libya to Syria’s opposition fighters. Libya’s own former fighters, who sympathize with Syria’s rebels, have been eager collaborators.
. . .

As the United States and its Western allies move toward providing lethal aid to Syrian rebels, these secretive transfers give insight into an unregistered arms pipeline that is difficult to monitor or control. And while the system appears to succeed in moving arms across multiple borders and to select rebel groups, once inside Syria the flow branches out. Extremist fighters, some of them aligned with Al Qaeda, have the money to buy the newly arrived stock, and many rebels are willing to sell.

. . .

Those weapons, which slipped from state custody as Colonel Qaddafi’s people rose against him in 2011, are sent on ships or Qatar Emiri Air Force flights to a network of intelligence agencies and Syrian opposition leaders in Turkey. From there, Syrians distribute the arms according to their own formulas and preferences to particular fighting groups, which in turn issue them to their fighters on the ground, rebels and activists said.

Qatari C-17 cargo aircraft have made at least three stops in Libya this year — including flights from Mitiga airport in Tripoli on Jan. 15 and Feb. 1, and another that departed Benghazi on April 16, according to flight data provided by an aviation official in the region. The planes returned to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. The cargo was then flown to Ankara, Turkey, along with other weapons and equipment that the Qataris had been gathering for the rebels, officials and rebels said.

In the end, it was the failure of a US covert activity, which was most enthusiastically promoted and co-managed by David Petraeus' CIA with Hillary Clinton's State Department, that sealed Ambassador Steven's fate. That is a fact that neither the Administration nor Republicans in Congress who essentially agreed with the program of serial regime change want the American public to clearly understand.
Kick and rec. zappaman Aug 2015 #1
Programming Note: DURHAM D Aug 2015 #2
That very post was offered to me a while ago as "proof"... gregcrawford Aug 2015 #24
True- but there are plenty enough long time DUers who revved that piece of shit. bettyellen Aug 2015 #48
Agreed. n/t demmiblue Aug 2015 #3
Anyone who claims otherwise is clearly on the wrong site. Salviati Aug 2015 #4
K&R MelissaB Aug 2015 #5
Correct HassleCat Aug 2015 #6
Benghazi panel has lasted longer than Church Committee Gothmog Aug 2015 #7
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #8
I didn't think any Democrat claimed it was Hillary's fault. TeddyR Aug 2015 #9
Wrong DURHAM D Aug 2015 #10
Ok, I was wrong TeddyR Aug 2015 #38
100% agreed, and I say that as a Bernie supporter. hifiguy Aug 2015 #11
thank you, hifiguy KMOD Aug 2015 #12
You are entirely welcome. hifiguy Aug 2015 #13
Agreed 100%. (N/T) Old Crow Aug 2015 #32
Same here. n/t Martin Eden Aug 2015 #47
rec & kick MerryBlooms Aug 2015 #14
Agreed... sibelian Aug 2015 #15
That was refreshing. Thank you. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #16
Bernie supporter here - totally agree it was NOT HRC’s fault dorkzilla Aug 2015 #17
Yep, I came to that conclusion many moons ago. It's like the rule> BlueJazz Aug 2015 #18
That doesn't surprise me in the least. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #19
That doesn't surprise me in the least. OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #41
K&R mcar Aug 2015 #20
Beyond that, this is the result of the Neo-Con PNAC 'domino theory' thebighobgoblin Aug 2015 #21
Underfunding didn't help security one bit... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #22
Seems like a lot of right-wing based attacks around DU lately emulatorloo Aug 2015 #23
Yeah not even close to being Hillary's fault. neverforget Aug 2015 #25
Tragedy yes, but in no way HRC's fault. Indepatriot Aug 2015 #26
Thank you Cali. Metric System Aug 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Aug 2015 #29
GOP bullshit. JEB Aug 2015 #30
It is GOP bullshit, and I was disgusted to find it on DU. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #31
I feel the attacks were not hillary's nor the repug's fault. juxtaposed Aug 2015 #33
It is more than that ,cali. bvar22 Aug 2015 #34
it's virtually all blowback cali Aug 2015 #37
That it is. bvar22 Aug 2015 #40
You hit it on the head: blowback. But, the proof is an open secret, right in the pages of the NYT: leveymg Aug 2015 #51
Thanks for the info...adding to my file. bvar22 Aug 2015 #54
They never do pay the piper because of the bipartisan agreement leveymg Aug 2015 #56
Whenever someone concern trolls about lives lost in Benghazi... fbc Aug 2015 #35
This is true. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #36
Let us see. How many died on 9/11? Which Bush was never blamed for. applegrove Aug 2015 #39
I just want to say thanks to cali, KMOD Aug 2015 #42
Kick and Recommend trueblue2007 Aug 2015 #43
anyone who argues otherwise has no place here ericson00 Aug 2015 #44
Note that the MSM only attacks Hillary over two issues on which she's clean .... Scuba Aug 2015 #45
While true, this is an uphill battle. Vinca Aug 2015 #46
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #49
NOT TRUE!!! She got a text from Stevens Rstrstx Aug 2015 #50
And this was Obama's reply - they're all conspirators!! Rstrstx Aug 2015 #52
I don't know enough on the issue to make that conclusion. Perhaps the emails will shed more light Purveyor Aug 2015 #53
Thank you. As Bernie has said let's talk about issues that matter still_one Aug 2015 #55
Absolutely. Bonobo Aug 2015 #57
True. And they also lost more personnel when they were in charge too. mmonk Aug 2015 #58
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