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165. Rockin' Post Bonobo!

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Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:24 AM

Aug 2015

SANDERS = MAIN STREET

CLINTON = WALL STREET

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So you ask "why it matters" that Hillary regularly has fund-raising dinners for thousands of $$$? [View all] Bonobo Aug 2015 OP

Well said, Bonobo. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #1

I want to add this: Bonobo Aug 2015 #3

IMO, it's even worse than that. We were sold kabuki theater and most of us are still buying merrily Aug 2015 #48

Kabuki, exactly.....smoke and mirrors. haikugal Aug 2015 #105

It is going to be the #1 issue in this campaign, Citizens United and the corrupting effects of sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #97

Yes, and running on getting money out of politics with a fundraising goal of $2.5 billion merrily Aug 2015 #107

No it's not, and Biden, who may run also, more or less said that in the speech where he almost sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #132

Hillary is Hillary, kacekwl Aug 2015 #148

K&R! marym625 Aug 2015 #2

2 Words...Private Prisons billhicks76 Aug 2015 #166

And yet, Bernie's support is greatest among wealthy white males. DanTex Aug 2015 #4

Small contributions; under $200 to Bernie, make up over 80% of the total, small contributions Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #5

Yes, I know that Sanders can't raise enough money to run a competitive campaign. DanTex Aug 2015 #8

That's interesting that you should bring that up, despite Hillary having overwhelming financial Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #15

Bernie has no chance against the GOP. He doesn't have much of a chance in the primaries either, DanTex Aug 2015 #23

Bernie is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, Democrat or Republican. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #26

Last time I think it was Ron Paul with the big crowds in the primaries. So there's that. DanTex Aug 2015 #29

And you can't be elected President if you're black...well scratch that one. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #30

Bernie is no Obama. For a lot of reasons. And being black is not even close to the electability DanTex Aug 2015 #34

Yeah, except he's not a socialist by ANY definition. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #38

Well... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #43

Except for the fact that he is on record saying "I am a socialist." DanTex Aug 2015 #44

Bit out of context there, Dan. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #46

I doubt many African Americans felt that being black wasn't a huge impediment in Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #39

Well, you'd have to ask them. But fortunately we have polls that can determine how poorly the DanTex Aug 2015 #42

That poll is flawed as socialist is the only political entry, it would be better Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #49

Yes, if you included "nazi" I'm sure it would do worse, but it's still very telling. DanTex Aug 2015 #58

Here is a more up to date poll of the what the American People believe. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #60

That cites the same Gallup poll saying that only 47% of Americans would vote for a socialist. DanTex Aug 2015 #62

That trend is going up and if you read the article, even just the part I posted Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #63

Sure, so maybe in 20 or 30 years a self-described socialist can be elected. DanTex Aug 2015 #65

It doesn't have to be made up exclusively of millienials for them and Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #68

You're right, Bernie is no Obama.... short circuit Aug 2015 #92

Sad but true. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #32

Comparing Sanders to Paul, Kucinich and Dean was played out weeks ago. merrily Aug 2015 #50

Try something new? Garrett78 Aug 2015 #73

Thank you for your concern about my disappointment. I'll be fine, though merrily Aug 2015 #81

Uh, what? Garrett78 Aug 2015 #83

Nothing like a Bernie supporter who keeps saying he can't win while the rest of us are merrily Aug 2015 #85

LOL. For your future reference... Bonobo Aug 2015 #94

You speak for everyone on the left, eh? Garrett78 Aug 2015 #98

A bit behind, aren't you Garrett? short circuit Aug 2015 #93

What am I behind on? Garrett78 Aug 2015 #99

We've seen a lot of 'concerned' Sanders 'supporters' on here already. cui bono Aug 2015 #149

Predicting that a candidate won't be the nominee... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #151

Lol! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #169

What's so funny? Garrett78 Aug 2015 #171

You're not genuflecting to Bernie significantly enough MaggieD Aug 2015 #192

Bernie's doing fine. short circuit Aug 2015 #90

He "can't raise enough money" but his "support is greatest among wealthy white males"? arcane1 Aug 2015 #152

And yet, he does not milk them for money or give them extra "ear-time" over glasses of bubbly. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #6

The old "Just this last time and THEN we'll fix it" approach. Gotcha. Bonobo Aug 2015 #7

Citizens United was decided during Obama's first term. DanTex Aug 2015 #11

Money in politics is not a new issue, Dan. The real problem has accelerated since 1992 when... Bonobo Aug 2015 #14

+1 Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #19

Citizens United is the most pressing issue right now, though. If we lose in 2016 DanTex Aug 2015 #21

My point is that, since 1992, politicians that reject public matching funds and say they will change Bonobo Aug 2015 #27

The first candidate to reject public funds in the GE was Obama. So there's exactly one example DanTex Aug 2015 #33

Yes, for the General election. But it has happened many, many times with primary candidates. Bonobo Aug 2015 #37

Neither metaphor works at all for primaries. In fact, they don't work for DanTex Aug 2015 #41

You want to talk reality? Okay... Bonobo Aug 2015 #45

Money is needed because a lot (most) people don't really pay much attention DanTex Aug 2015 #55

That 50/50 balance is an amazing bit of juggling. Bonobo Aug 2015 #57

Here come the conspiracy theories. DanTex Aug 2015 #61

Yes, conspiracy surely is the only way to explain that corporations donate to both parties Bonobo Aug 2015 #66

Umm, corporations don't donate to campaigns, that's illegal. DanTex Aug 2015 #67

Okay, Dan, you're right. Bonobo Aug 2015 #69

A loophole so big you can drive a semi through it. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #70

Not true. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #10

Yes it is. The numbers speak for themselves. DanTex Aug 2015 #12

I'm betting Hillary would NOT have voted to confirm Clarence Thomas. MADem Aug 2015 #31

But no actual rebuttal? Android3.14 Aug 2015 #96

And you are just the neo-liberal to drive that wedge home, right dan? MoveIt Aug 2015 #101

It's ironic that CU may be used to buy the WH for Clinton. What's not ironic is how rhett o rick Aug 2015 #135

So why aren't the banksters giving him money? n/t eridani Aug 2015 #143

bullshit. marym625 Aug 2015 #176

She ONLY rubs elbows with the rich? murielm99 Aug 2015 #9

Not only that, but the anti-Hillary people even attack her for meeting with small groups DanTex Aug 2015 #13

There it is again! Bonobo Aug 2015 #16

You are the one who posted it. murielm99 Aug 2015 #20

Nani? nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #28

SAMLL Groups is the key word, she speaks to SMALL hand picked groups of people Perry Smith Aug 2015 #17

Yeah, she hand-picked all those murielm99 Aug 2015 #22

Yep. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #25

Follow the money? Yeah--the ones without money WILL LOSE. MADem Aug 2015 #35

Well, I'll take the candidate that takes the personal approach over the megachurch any day. Amimnoch Aug 2015 #47

New low right here beerandjesus Aug 2015 #87

There is no limit to the lowness MoveIt Aug 2015 #103

lower than "Roman Empire, toga-wearing elitist" above a photo of Hillary?? Amimnoch Aug 2015 #124

Yep, way lower. Might as well call him a Nazi along with that clown at the National Review. beerandjesus Aug 2015 #138

bwhahahaha!! frylock Aug 2015 #119

I have been to 5 Bernie events and he has NEVER asked ANYONE Vincardog Aug 2015 #122

This is slander? Amimnoch Aug 2015 #123

One is true one is not. Don't lie. Vincardog Aug 2015 #125

True, Hillary is not Roman, and as far as I know has never worn a toga. Amimnoch Aug 2015 #126

Your point is that Bernie fills statiums with his message; and that is bad how? Vincardog Aug 2015 #127

Yep, it's slander. beerandjesus Aug 2015 #139

And what about the MILLIONS in union money? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #89

yeah, those damn workers, why should they have a voice in the election? virtualobserver Aug 2015 #111

This. Right here. Hell yeah! Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #18

We live in a corporatocracy and have for a long time. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #24

"Confirmation" is likely to destroy Biden, if he decides to run. MADem Aug 2015 #36

And Clinton is equally undesirable if you're a genuine progressive. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #40

I don't think Hillary Clinton was cheering Biden on re: the Thomas hearings. MADem Aug 2015 #51

Rhetoric is not policy. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #59

What does that even mean? It's just not true, either. MADem Aug 2015 #77

Just because... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #79

Sounds like that old laxative commercial: "Are three enough? Are six too many?" MADem Aug 2015 #80

That's a cop-out. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #82

It's not a cop-out. Where you stand depends on where you sit. nt MADem Aug 2015 #91

It's a cop-out... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #100

And much of that is subjective. nt MADem Aug 2015 #147

Really? Garrett78 Aug 2015 #150

It depends on how you weigh the issues. It's not a cop out, sorry if you don't like that. nt MADem Aug 2015 #193

Not sure why you bother. You know what they're going to say. They've been saying the same things merrily Aug 2015 #52

Honestly, there's way too much attention to "bashing Hillary" and too little on the job experience. Sancho Aug 2015 #53

No, the job requires judgement. jeff47 Aug 2015 #133

Not really... Sancho Aug 2015 #136

I don't need an intermediary and their scoring model in order to count. jeff47 Aug 2015 #137

If you looked at the link, there's a complete neutral record.... Sancho Aug 2015 #141

And if you read what I posted, you'd find I think their model is moronic. jeff47 Aug 2015 #144

No, I looked at what bills he sponsored and passed.... Sancho Aug 2015 #173

Well put davidpdx Aug 2015 #54

No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #56

HRC's donors pay $$$ to get justices friendly to Citizens United. Divernan Aug 2015 #64

Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Stephen Breyer. Amimnoch Aug 2015 #72

+20 years & 10's of millions of $$$ ago.PRE-Citizens United bribery time. Divernan Aug 2015 #88

^^^^^^^^^^BINGO ^^^^^^^^^^ Blus4u Aug 2015 #76

We've tried the lesser-of-evils approach over and over and over. I am over it. 100% over it. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #71

In between elections. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #75

Well I am voting for Bernie. To each his own. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #110

As well you should. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #174

K&R Scuba Aug 2015 #74

So you ask "why it matters" that Warren regularly has fund-raising dinners for thousands of $$$? brooklynite Aug 2015 #78

It's not a matter of stereotypes, it is a matter of disconnect. The wealthy cannot understand RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #86

You mean wealthy people like FDR? brooklynite Aug 2015 #95

Yes, obviously I also mean FDR. RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #106

If Sanders wins the primary, he automatically has a great chance to win the general election Babel_17 Aug 2015 #84

Like Goldwater beating the establishment Republicans in 1964? brooklynite Aug 2015 #102

Just like that, except the opposite Babel_17 Aug 2015 #104

George McGovern proved this concept works in 1972 Gothmog Aug 2015 #113

With one difference Genghis Khan Aug 2015 #121

So twitter and social media are magic and eliminates the need for money in campaigns Gothmog Aug 2015 #129

Social media helped immensely in getting Pres. Obama elected. Duppers Aug 2015 #163

President Obama also had a well funded campaign and used a super pac Gothmog Aug 2015 #172

McGovern was running against a sitting President (generally results in failure) Babel_17 Aug 2015 #134

Does Jimmy Carter know this when he defeated Ford or when he lost to Reagan? Gothmog Aug 2015 #153

Ford was never elected President (or even VP*), and I said "generally" Babel_17 Aug 2015 #156

I worked in and voted for Carter in that election Gothmog Aug 2015 #158

Only a few years younger than you Babel_17 Aug 2015 #175

Did you know that the GOP picked McGovern to be their opponent? Gothmog Aug 2015 #177

The GOP is looking forward to engaging with Clinton, they fear Sanders popularity Babel_17 Aug 2015 #179

The GOP is contributing to Sanders because they are not afraid of him Gothmog Aug 2015 #180

Young (or child like) Conservatives enjoying some snark Babel_17 Aug 2015 #183

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Aug 2015 #186

Right back at you, lol Babel_17 Aug 2015 #187

In the real world, money matters in political campaigns Gothmog Aug 2015 #108

Votes ar what is counted. Votes. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #109

Have you ever actually worked in a real campaign? Gothmog Aug 2015 #112

Yeah. I have. Bonobo Aug 2015 #114

It is start that a Sanders supporter will abandon the magical thinking that money is not necessary Gothmog Aug 2015 #118

Gothmog, as a fellow Tolkien freak, I will try to be kind to you and not say what I really think. Bonobo Aug 2015 #155

Magical thinking is all that you and the Sanders supports can point to Gothmog Aug 2015 #182

One dollar, one vote? frylock Aug 2015 #120

Looks like some folks have a big sad about you peeing in the royal caviar. Zorra Aug 2015 #115

Yeah, LOL, it seems that way. Bonobo Aug 2015 #116

Great quote. Duppers Aug 2015 #164

Why? fadedrose Aug 2015 #117

Jury results -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #128

... Zorra Aug 2015 #130

About the fundraisers --- Avalux Aug 2015 #131

Yes but I believe that does include dessert...so there's that. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #146

Thats what it comes down to. Selling access. Ain't no way to disguise the stench of that. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #161

Okay. Lose to Republicans. n/t ellisonz Aug 2015 #140

K&R MoveIt Aug 2015 #142

Bernie supported by the little people. Hillary supported by... L0oniX Aug 2015 #145

Such a simple thing and yet so very, very important. Bonobo Aug 2015 #154

Loonix Indepatriot Aug 2015 #167

the kissenger shit enough should DQ her from thinking of running.. but.. this is 'merka dionysus Aug 2015 #189

Until the electoral system has a major sweeping overhaul Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #157

It's not going to happen until the addiction is broken. Bonobo Aug 2015 #159

How will the addiction be broken if Sanders is not viable in the general election Gothmog Aug 2015 #181

And the fur is flying in this thread! Old Crow Aug 2015 #160

Excellent post! Duppers Aug 2015 #162

Rockin' Post Bonobo! Indepatriot Aug 2015 #165

Yup. SoapBox Aug 2015 #168

Huge Kick and R! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #170

Bravo! hifiguy Aug 2015 #178

The premise of this thread is silly unless someone can explain how Sanders is viable Gothmog Aug 2015 #184

Lessig is all over the map, and now thinking of running against Sanders and Clinton Babel_17 Aug 2015 #188

Do you get a personal audience with Bernie if you send $5? MaggieD Aug 2015 #185

What kind of favors do you owe when you're paid $200,000 to speak at Goldman Sachs? L0oniX Aug 2015 #190

Do I get a private audience with Bernie for 5 bucks or not? MaggieD Aug 2015 #191

Amen. mmonk Aug 2015 #194