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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: So you ask "why it matters" that Hillary regularly has fund-raising dinners for thousands of $$$? [View all]Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)26. Bernie is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, Democrat or Republican.
Raising money used to be important to get your message out but it has gone way past that point, the system has been corrupted.
Bernie will pull voters from Republican ranks, the angry and disaffected ones, being misdirected as to who the villain is behind their misery, Bernie's message will reach many of them.
Bernie is not alone in this either, growing numbers of people have his back and we're amplifying his message, this is rapidly becoming a movement, and it will take a movement to change our nation's dead end direction on a multitude of social crises.
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So you ask "why it matters" that Hillary regularly has fund-raising dinners for thousands of $$$? [View all]
Bonobo
Aug 2015
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IMO, it's even worse than that. We were sold kabuki theater and most of us are still buying
merrily
Aug 2015
#48
It is going to be the #1 issue in this campaign, Citizens United and the corrupting effects of
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#97
Yes, and running on getting money out of politics with a fundraising goal of $2.5 billion
merrily
Aug 2015
#107
No it's not, and Biden, who may run also, more or less said that in the speech where he almost
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#132
Small contributions; under $200 to Bernie, make up over 80% of the total, small contributions
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#5
That's interesting that you should bring that up, despite Hillary having overwhelming financial
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#15
Bernie has no chance against the GOP. He doesn't have much of a chance in the primaries either,
DanTex
Aug 2015
#23
Bernie is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, Democrat or Republican.
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#26
Last time I think it was Ron Paul with the big crowds in the primaries. So there's that.
DanTex
Aug 2015
#29
Bernie is no Obama. For a lot of reasons. And being black is not even close to the electability
DanTex
Aug 2015
#34
I doubt many African Americans felt that being black wasn't a huge impediment in
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#39
Well, you'd have to ask them. But fortunately we have polls that can determine how poorly the
DanTex
Aug 2015
#42
That poll is flawed as socialist is the only political entry, it would be better
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#49
Yes, if you included "nazi" I'm sure it would do worse, but it's still very telling.
DanTex
Aug 2015
#58
That cites the same Gallup poll saying that only 47% of Americans would vote for a socialist.
DanTex
Aug 2015
#62
That trend is going up and if you read the article, even just the part I posted
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#63
Nothing like a Bernie supporter who keeps saying he can't win while the rest of us are
merrily
Aug 2015
#85
He "can't raise enough money" but his "support is greatest among wealthy white males"?
arcane1
Aug 2015
#152
And yet, he does not milk them for money or give them extra "ear-time" over glasses of bubbly. nt
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#6
Money in politics is not a new issue, Dan. The real problem has accelerated since 1992 when...
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#14
Citizens United is the most pressing issue right now, though. If we lose in 2016
DanTex
Aug 2015
#21
My point is that, since 1992, politicians that reject public matching funds and say they will change
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#27
The first candidate to reject public funds in the GE was Obama. So there's exactly one example
DanTex
Aug 2015
#33
Yes, for the General election. But it has happened many, many times with primary candidates.
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#37
Yes, conspiracy surely is the only way to explain that corporations donate to both parties
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#66
It's ironic that CU may be used to buy the WH for Clinton. What's not ironic is how
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#135
Not only that, but the anti-Hillary people even attack her for meeting with small groups
DanTex
Aug 2015
#13
SAMLL Groups is the key word, she speaks to SMALL hand picked groups of people
Perry Smith
Aug 2015
#17
Well, I'll take the candidate that takes the personal approach over the megachurch any day.
Amimnoch
Aug 2015
#47
Yep, way lower. Might as well call him a Nazi along with that clown at the National Review.
beerandjesus
Aug 2015
#138
Your point is that Bernie fills statiums with his message; and that is bad how?
Vincardog
Aug 2015
#127
yeah, those damn workers, why should they have a voice in the election?
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#111
It depends on how you weigh the issues. It's not a cop out, sorry if you don't like that. nt
MADem
Aug 2015
#193
Not sure why you bother. You know what they're going to say. They've been saying the same things
merrily
Aug 2015
#52
Honestly, there's way too much attention to "bashing Hillary" and too little on the job experience.
Sancho
Aug 2015
#53
No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
cantbeserious
Aug 2015
#56
We've tried the lesser-of-evils approach over and over and over. I am over it. 100% over it.
GoneFishin
Aug 2015
#71
So you ask "why it matters" that Warren regularly has fund-raising dinners for thousands of $$$?
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#78
It's not a matter of stereotypes, it is a matter of disconnect. The wealthy cannot understand
RadiationTherapy
Aug 2015
#86
If Sanders wins the primary, he automatically has a great chance to win the general election
Babel_17
Aug 2015
#84
So twitter and social media are magic and eliminates the need for money in campaigns
Gothmog
Aug 2015
#129
McGovern was running against a sitting President (generally results in failure)
Babel_17
Aug 2015
#134
The GOP is looking forward to engaging with Clinton, they fear Sanders popularity
Babel_17
Aug 2015
#179
It is start that a Sanders supporter will abandon the magical thinking that money is not necessary
Gothmog
Aug 2015
#118
Gothmog, as a fellow Tolkien freak, I will try to be kind to you and not say what I really think.
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#155
Thats what it comes down to. Selling access. Ain't no way to disguise the stench of that. nt
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#161
the kissenger shit enough should DQ her from thinking of running.. but.. this is 'merka
dionysus
Aug 2015
#189
How will the addiction be broken if Sanders is not viable in the general election
Gothmog
Aug 2015
#181
The premise of this thread is silly unless someone can explain how Sanders is viable
Gothmog
Aug 2015
#184
Lessig is all over the map, and now thinking of running against Sanders and Clinton
Babel_17
Aug 2015
#188
What kind of favors do you owe when you're paid $200,000 to speak at Goldman Sachs?
L0oniX
Aug 2015
#190