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beam me up scottie

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163. Thanks. Now we can all link back to this thread.

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #158)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:08 PM

Aug 2015

Eventually she'll either have to acknowledge the truth or stop parroting that talking point.

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If Hillary "evolved" on gay rights shortly after majority opinion did... [View all] last1standing Aug 2015 OP

Another post suggesting Hillary is just an extension of her husband. leftofcool Aug 2015 #1

Another response evading an answer. last1standing Aug 2015 #3

Sexist hogwash is not worth answering. leftofcool Aug 2015 #6

LOL! In that case, homophobic responses aren't worth taking seriously. last1standing Aug 2015 #10

Right or wrong, I don't see what it has to do with her husband or sexism. pangaia Aug 2015 #115

I don't see "sexist". 840high Aug 2015 #144

Another rediculous OP. Agschmid Aug 2015 #146

how is the op suggesting she's an extension of Bill? cali Aug 2015 #13

Well, since Hillary was still touting the 'sanctity of marriage' as a defense against supporting sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #23

I suggest that Bill was always an extension of Hillary. Old Union Guy Aug 2015 #94

I don't Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #2

She can only 'evolve' within the bounds of her benefactors largesse. eom NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #4

I don't think that's fair. It's true that not only did she show no leadership cali Aug 2015 #5

I think we can. last1standing Aug 2015 #7

When did she say God thought less of gay people? OKNancy Aug 2015 #9

When she said that marriage was between a man and a woman. last1standing Aug 2015 #11

I actually posted an article in my other post in this thread OKNancy Aug 2015 #16

If it wasn't for religious reasons, what other reason would she oppose marriage equality? last1standing Aug 2015 #17

Yes, you are right, Hillary is religious as is Obama OKNancy Aug 2015 #37

No offense, but it hit a little closer to home for me. last1standing Aug 2015 #45

Clearly Obama was terrible on LGBT issues... Agschmid Aug 2015 #148

The problem with this OP is that you are not looking at politics as it actually functions. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #74

The fact is, we have a candidate who opposed marriage equality two years ago. last1standing Aug 2015 #78

That depends on why she evolved so late, since 2013 when she was still using the sanctity of marriag sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #30

Hillary changed her opinion as did the mass of the American people OKNancy Aug 2015 #8

And some of us were arguing that position was codifying inferiority then as well. last1standing Aug 2015 #14

she changed her mind after the majority of Americans did. cali Aug 2015 #18

of course you leave out dsc Aug 2015 #136

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #150

Your attempt to spam this thread took it over 150 and back to the top of the lastest page. last1standing Aug 2015 #155

Spam... Agschmid Aug 2015 #159

Lol. Thanks again. last1standing Aug 2015 #160

Well it would be nice... Agschmid Aug 2015 #161

We finally agree on something. last1standing Aug 2015 #162

We agree on a lot actually... Agschmid Aug 2015 #164

Then you're a fan of ridiculous OPs as well? last1standing Aug 2015 #165

Ha that's one of the things we DON'T have in common. Agschmid Aug 2015 #166

Oh well, no one's perfect. last1standing Aug 2015 #167

I hope that doesn't happen. Agschmid Aug 2015 #168

Primaries are rough. last1standing Aug 2015 #169

Primaries are rough, I wasn't here. Agschmid Aug 2015 #171

I was a Dean supporter being told I was a hippie dreamer in 2004... last1standing Aug 2015 #175

I loved Dean. Agschmid Aug 2015 #178

Too far ahead of his time. last1standing Aug 2015 #182

Lol! We did hit 175! last1standing Aug 2015 #180

Glad we worked our shit out too... Agschmid Aug 2015 #181

Lol. Just between you and me... last1standing Aug 2015 #184

If nobody ever changed their minds there would still be no gay marriage. Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #12

I expect our leaders to be in the front of civil rights issues. last1standing Aug 2015 #20

I look forward to your candidacy. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #22

I look forward to yours since you seem to believe we can't discuss issues without running for office last1standing Aug 2015 #51

I'm no leader, and I don't pretend to be one. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #52

Then why do I have to run for office to have an opinion when you don't? last1standing Aug 2015 #58

And if everyone waited until AFTER courageous people stood up against the opposition to it, sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #36

I admire your enthusiasm. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #48

Irrelevant for the people to be enthusiastic about an important issue if their leaders sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #53

Are you trying to bore me into submission? nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #56

If you are bored by a discussion of Civil Rights I can't help that. I find it a fascinating and most sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #59

LGBT rights bore you? last1standing Aug 2015 #60

I can't predict Hillary's actions or judge her sincerity. However, I know many people Arkansas Granny Aug 2015 #15

And that's the problem. We SHOULD be able to judge the sincerity on major issues of those we choose sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #38

sad to hear you didn't vote for obama as he "evolved" at the same time as hillary nt msongs Aug 2015 #19

wrong. he came out in support before she did. cali Aug 2015 #21

You're ignoring her work at the State Dept. on equal rights for employees. Metric System Aug 2015 #25

I'm not ignoring them. I'm stating some hard facts. last1standing Aug 2015 #31

no, it's just not germane as to when she came out for marriage equality. cali Aug 2015 #33

I don't think any national Democratic figures showed leadership on it. I'm sure we all remember Metric System Aug 2015 #40

But she didn't support marriage equality then. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34

Yes, he did. And it was just as heinous. last1standing Aug 2015 #27

Please stop with these divisive OPs. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #24

This is a political discussion forum. last1standing Aug 2015 #35

Then have a discussion and post it is an educational manner. Your excuse holds no water. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #41

Ok. You've expressed your demands on how I post. last1standing Aug 2015 #43

I'm sure you will, confusing the word 'demand.' Have an especially wonderful day! Loves and Hugs! nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #46

Did you ask? last1standing Aug 2015 #57

Please post the exact 'demand' I had made. I do not see it. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #82

*sigh* "Then have a discussion and post it is an educational manner." last1standing Aug 2015 #83

No, that's not a demand. Nice obfuscation from the topic discussed. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #85

No obfuscation. You lectured, I responded. Then we went off on a nice little tangent. last1standing Aug 2015 #92

After they made a demand :P TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #126

It wasn't a demand! It was a negative request. last1standing Aug 2015 #140

We know what the deal is, as most here. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author last1standing Aug 2015 #55

This. Agschmid Aug 2015 #153

Ask yourself if the Democratic Party would allow itself to go backwards. oasis Aug 2015 #26

It certainly has in economic issues. last1standing Aug 2015 #29

If America begins going back on social issues, heaven help us. oasis Aug 2015 #42

Exactly! I want someone in office who will stand up for what's right. last1standing Aug 2015 #47

the same way we trusted Obama even tho he evolved ericson00 Aug 2015 #28

it's about leadership, or rather her lack of it in the fight for marriage equality. cali Aug 2015 #39

"I just know John Kerry will invade Iran and bring back the draft." DU'er circa 2004 emulatorloo Aug 2015 #32

Evolution has no direction and is neither progressive or regressive. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #44

Like electricity, it takes the path of least resistance. last1standing Aug 2015 #49

Exactly. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #50

Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again... PatrickforO Aug 2015 #54

Yep. I'm hearing a lot of excuses for Hillary's poll driven stances... last1standing Aug 2015 #62

xactly 840high Aug 2015 #149

anyone that actually wants a serious conversation about this, a thread dsc explores with facts. seabeyond Aug 2015 #61

LOL! That wasn't fact, it was a poorly written opinion from a minor blog. last1standing Aug 2015 #63

there are plenty of facts thru out thread. i am not attacking sanders, clinton is not my candidate. seabeyond Aug 2015 #64

Now you think you're educated? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #65

no, really. the better way to argue is one insult after another. personally, i valued the seabeyond Aug 2015 #66

Like I said, if you had facts you'd post them. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #67

That's exactly what they did with Bernie's record on rights for people of color. last1standing Aug 2015 #70

Thank you for taking up the fight. I'm so tired of this. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #73

Oh, you mean when Bernie marched with MLK? leftofcool Aug 2015 #76

If I respond, are you going to call me a sexist again? last1standing Aug 2015 #77

wow, hon, now you're a spokesperson for BLM? cali Aug 2015 #84

You speak for BLM ? TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #132

Yes, they do and Hillary's failing according to this chart: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #170

+1 cali Aug 2015 #72

So please tell us what "facts" you learned from that "serious discussion." last1standing Aug 2015 #68

lol. I love irony. cali Aug 2015 #71

unbelievable that you'd support such shit.... oh, wait. it's you. cali Aug 2015 #69

i listen to lbgt. seabeyond Aug 2015 #89

You listen to specific LGBT people who affirm what you want to believe. last1standing Aug 2015 #93

well, here is the thing in the listening. lbgt is more aware of the history and path of our seabeyond Aug 2015 #95

Then you should listen to those of us with real, valid concerns about Hillary's advocacy. last1standing Aug 2015 #99

i do listen, and i do hear, and i do understand. that is the case with AA too, and campaign 2008. seabeyond Aug 2015 #105

This is the only post in which I'll veer from the OP. last1standing Aug 2015 #113

cool, your support of sanders. Omalley is probably ahead of everyone in all this and still seabeyond Aug 2015 #116

Another lie. He was not only campaigning on economic justice. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #114

just stop with the name calling and insults. seabeyond Aug 2015 #117

No one called you names or insulted you. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #119

whatever. accusing me of being a constant victim was purely about insult, but wtf, right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #122

Then prove your claims instead of changing the subject and complaining about how unfair it all is beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #128

Don't hold your breath. 840high Aug 2015 #152

I'm not short circuit Aug 2015 #174

No name calling or insults were done. short circuit Aug 2015 #172

8 eight days ago, I PMed her 3 videos of Bernie (starting ONE WEEK after his campaign announcement) where he Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #156

You don't say...isn't that interesting. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157

Sure... Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #158

Thanks. Now we can all link back to this thread. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #163

yep, definitely bookmarkable short circuit Aug 2015 #176

And others too. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #177

You didn't finish your research. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #186

Only the ones who say what you want to hear about your candidate. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #96

slanderous!!!! i tell you. simply not true. i do look at the facts provided to me though. seabeyond Aug 2015 #97

You're not citing "facts". You're using smears to slander a champion of lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #101

the info isnt for you, i keep saying. others read, and they can decide seabeyond Aug 2015 #107

It isn't info any more than that fox news story you keep complaining about. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #109

and btw, the link is from a very fair poster who is a strong sander supporter. just as bravenak was seabeyond Aug 2015 #98

Stop bringing blm into this because you can't back up your bullshit about lgbt support. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #103

i wont do what you demand. you do not decide what i post or what i discuss. really? wow. seabeyond Aug 2015 #108

I'm calling you on your bullshit whether you like it or not. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112

no. you demanded what i was allowed and not allowed to post seabeyond Aug 2015 #118

Keep posting false claims and you'll keep getting called on it. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #125

Read this. . short circuit Aug 2015 #179

I don't trust Hillary on any issue bigwillq Aug 2015 #75

I trust her to charge even more in speaking fees in the future. last1standing Aug 2015 #79

... 840high Aug 2015 #154

I'm gay, I support Bernie and I think you don't have a good grasp on history, Hillary or any of it. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #80

I'm sorry that you're gay and don't think I have a good grasp on history, Hillary or any of it. last1standing Aug 2015 #81

You did not even bother to read what I wrote nor did you respond to it. That's rude. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #86

It was far less rude than your either of your responses to me. last1standing Aug 2015 #87

Except that I have not said you are making anything up so why are you Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #88

I suggest we not continue this exchange. last1standing Aug 2015 #90

Welcome to the entire Bill Clinton administration jfern Aug 2015 #91

Proud to have marched with her in the Pride Parade and proud she evolved. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #100

You trust her because she walked in a parade? last1standing Aug 2015 #102

I trust that she sees me as a human being with rights. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #104

I'll ask again. Did you trust her when she was saying you didn't deserve marriage? last1standing Aug 2015 #106

No i am not a good advocate for HRC. I think I have said that before. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #110

Here is one of my many problems with that. last1standing Aug 2015 #120

Well we disagree. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #121

Yes, but I have laid out exactly why I disagree with you. last1standing Aug 2015 #124

I decline to. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #129

I think that renders your original post moot, but that's your call. last1standing Aug 2015 #131

Have to say I did enjoy the conversation between you and hrmjustin short circuit Aug 2015 #183

Thanks. last1standing Aug 2015 #185

Bwahahahahahahahha!!!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2015 #111

She didn't evolve. She never had a problem with gay marriage. Vattel Aug 2015 #123

I think you're absolutely correct. last1standing Aug 2015 #130

We all 'evolved', in our own way. What a 'change' from when President Obama first took office; Sunlei Aug 2015 #127

So how can we trust that she won't "evolve" again if the polls change? last1standing Aug 2015 #133

How do you trust President Obama won't 'evolve' again? Sunlei Aug 2015 #134

I don't. last1standing Aug 2015 #135

well thats a shame because without all the changes President Obama worked for, things would be Sunlei Aug 2015 #137

And those changes took place because the polls changed, not because Obama stood up for us. last1standing Aug 2015 #138

I don't agree with you at all. Sunlei Aug 2015 #139

Nothing wrong with disagreement. last1standing Aug 2015 #141

Good question. 840high Aug 2015 #143

Because Hillary was always more liberal than the voters treestar Aug 2015 #145

I have a suggestion... Agschmid Aug 2015 #147

During the primaries d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #173

No going back HassleCat Aug 2015 #151