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In reply to the discussion: If Hillary "evolved" on gay rights shortly after majority opinion did... [View all]TheBlackAdder
(28,218 posts)142. We know what the deal is, as most here. nt
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If Hillary "evolved" on gay rights shortly after majority opinion did... [View all]
last1standing
Aug 2015
OP
Well, since Hillary was still touting the 'sanctity of marriage' as a defense against supporting
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#23
If it wasn't for religious reasons, what other reason would she oppose marriage equality?
last1standing
Aug 2015
#17
The problem with this OP is that you are not looking at politics as it actually functions.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2015
#74
The fact is, we have a candidate who opposed marriage equality two years ago.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#78
That depends on why she evolved so late, since 2013 when she was still using the sanctity of marriag
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#30
And some of us were arguing that position was codifying inferiority then as well.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#14
Your attempt to spam this thread took it over 150 and back to the top of the lastest page.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#155
I look forward to yours since you seem to believe we can't discuss issues without running for office
last1standing
Aug 2015
#51
And if everyone waited until AFTER courageous people stood up against the opposition to it,
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#36
Irrelevant for the people to be enthusiastic about an important issue if their leaders
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#53
If you are bored by a discussion of Civil Rights I can't help that. I find it a fascinating and most
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#59
I can't predict Hillary's actions or judge her sincerity. However, I know many people
Arkansas Granny
Aug 2015
#15
And that's the problem. We SHOULD be able to judge the sincerity on major issues of those we choose
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#38
sad to hear you didn't vote for obama as he "evolved" at the same time as hillary nt
msongs
Aug 2015
#19
You're ignoring her work at the State Dept. on equal rights for employees.
Metric System
Aug 2015
#25
I don't think any national Democratic figures showed leadership on it. I'm sure we all remember
Metric System
Aug 2015
#40
Then have a discussion and post it is an educational manner. Your excuse holds no water.
TheBlackAdder
Aug 2015
#41
I'm sure you will, confusing the word 'demand.' Have an especially wonderful day! Loves and Hugs! nt
TheBlackAdder
Aug 2015
#46
No obfuscation. You lectured, I responded. Then we went off on a nice little tangent.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#92
it's about leadership, or rather her lack of it in the fight for marriage equality.
cali
Aug 2015
#39
"I just know John Kerry will invade Iran and bring back the draft." DU'er circa 2004
emulatorloo
Aug 2015
#32
anyone that actually wants a serious conversation about this, a thread dsc explores with facts.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#61
LOL! That wasn't fact, it was a poorly written opinion from a minor blog.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#63
there are plenty of facts thru out thread. i am not attacking sanders, clinton is not my candidate.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#64
no, really. the better way to argue is one insult after another. personally, i valued the
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#66
That's exactly what they did with Bernie's record on rights for people of color.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#70
So please tell us what "facts" you learned from that "serious discussion."
last1standing
Aug 2015
#68
well, here is the thing in the listening. lbgt is more aware of the history and path of our
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#95
Then you should listen to those of us with real, valid concerns about Hillary's advocacy.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#99
i do listen, and i do hear, and i do understand. that is the case with AA too, and campaign 2008.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#105
cool, your support of sanders. Omalley is probably ahead of everyone in all this and still
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#116
whatever. accusing me of being a constant victim was purely about insult, but wtf, right?
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#122
Then prove your claims instead of changing the subject and complaining about how unfair it all is
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#128
8 eight days ago, I PMed her 3 videos of Bernie (starting ONE WEEK after his campaign announcement) where he
Luminous Animal
Aug 2015
#156
slanderous!!!! i tell you. simply not true. i do look at the facts provided to me though.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#97
You're not citing "facts". You're using smears to slander a champion of lgbt rights.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#101
It isn't info any more than that fox news story you keep complaining about.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#109
and btw, the link is from a very fair poster who is a strong sander supporter. just as bravenak was
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#98
Stop bringing blm into this because you can't back up your bullshit about lgbt support.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#103
i wont do what you demand. you do not decide what i post or what i discuss. really? wow.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#108
I'm gay, I support Bernie and I think you don't have a good grasp on history, Hillary or any of it.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2015
#80
I'm sorry that you're gay and don't think I have a good grasp on history, Hillary or any of it.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#81
You did not even bother to read what I wrote nor did you respond to it. That's rude.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2015
#86
I'll ask again. Did you trust her when she was saying you didn't deserve marriage?
last1standing
Aug 2015
#106
We all 'evolved', in our own way. What a 'change' from when President Obama first took office;
Sunlei
Aug 2015
#127
well thats a shame because without all the changes President Obama worked for, things would be
Sunlei
Aug 2015
#137
And those changes took place because the polls changed, not because Obama stood up for us.
last1standing
Aug 2015
#138