2016 Postmortem

mylye2222

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32. No she hasn' t "earned" that much

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 08:54 AM

Aug 2015

She may have been a great FLOTUS but she would not be here if for Bill' s previous popularity, and therefore power of name recognition.

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Hillary is not "entitled" or "anointed", she's the front runner and has earned that [View all] CreekDog Aug 2015 OP

Earned - How - Could It Be That The Party Has Annointed Her - The People Not So Much cantbeserious Aug 2015 #1

Yea she's only up by about 20-30 points ... no one wants her. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #3

Like Yogi Berra said about Yankee Stadium, "Nobody goes there..." CreekDog Aug 2015 #163

How does that relate to anything? nt Logical Aug 2015 #232

LOL, nice try, she lost a 30 point lead in 2008! Short term memory? Nt Logical Aug 2015 #231

She garnered more of the popular vote in 2008 than Obama frazzled Aug 2015 #268

I love the credit going to obama and no blame to hillary. Cracks me up! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #271

Her front runner status is shown in polls of Democrats CreekDog Aug 2015 #97

Proving the OP in the first reply... SidDithers Aug 2015 #147

It is decided by primary and caucus treestar Aug 2015 #148

Except they haven't. Agschmid Aug 2015 #153

So far Clinton hasn't earned my vote... Picking Dem Aug 2015 #2

No she's not appointed she will be voted as president FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #7

national polling means jack crap during the primaries frylock Aug 2015 #170

Sanders is only doing well in two states which each are 95% white Gothmog Aug 2015 #225

momentum is building.. frylock Aug 2015 #229

Whete? Do you have any polls showing this? Gothmog Aug 2015 #243

Yeah, here's your "poll" frylock Aug 2015 #264

Do you follow her on Facebook? Chico Man Aug 2015 #14

Well, some people just don't like intelligent women. asjr Aug 2015 #58

Lol, so anyone against Hillary is sexist? I knew that would be the whining! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #233

She seems to be doing quite well without you. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #106

Like in 2008? LOL! nt Logical Aug 2015 #234

Did they repeal the 22nd Amendment? LOL! nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #249

So it was obama and not hillary? That is really a LOL, no one loses a 30 point.... Logical Aug 2015 #260

Comparing Bernie Sanders with Barack Obama is akin to comparing ... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #262

Nice try! Keep dreaming, make believe is fun! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #269

You made the comparison, not me! Nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #272

Hillary Clinton is the front runner because she has the best resume and experience for the job Gothmog Aug 2015 #4

Really - Voted For War - Supports Wall Street - Is For TPP - And On And On cantbeserious Aug 2015 #6

You want a President who doesn't support Wall Street? Recursion Aug 2015 #17

Uh, she's a Democrat that voted for war because of her presidential ambitions. Dawgs Aug 2015 #25

Notice my avatar Recursion Aug 2015 #27

What? Democrats have started nearly all the wars in US history. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #28

What does that have to do with my comment? n/t Dawgs Aug 2015 #30

You said voting for war is a disqualification for being a Democrat. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #34

Which wars did Democrats start? ramblin_dave Aug 2015 #42

Well, the Civil War obviously Recursion Aug 2015 #61

Vietnam. perhaps you remember that little dust up? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #280

Yes, of course I remember it, but ramblin_dave Aug 2015 #282

If that is true don't you think it is time for the voters to change that? A Simple Game Aug 2015 #77

sanders supported bush 1 iraq to get elected then voted against. but voted for kosovo war seabeyond Aug 2015 #158

Sorry, my bad. Dawgs Aug 2015 #33

Sure, I support O'Malley. I would support Clinton or Sanders if nominated. Recursion Aug 2015 #63

What would happen to the economy if Wall Street was literally destroyed... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #71

That would mean all publicly-traded corporations would have a book value of literally zero (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #81

For one thing, the complete loss of pension funds invested... Spazito Aug 2015 #99

And that is a great reason to not let Wall Street get its hands on Social Security. djean111 Aug 2015 #112

I completely agree, SS should NOT be privatized and used to invest in the market... Spazito Aug 2015 #121

I doubt the intent is to destroy Wall Street. Hoppy Aug 2015 #115

It's always going to be a binary choice for people with conservative mindsets.. frylock Aug 2015 #173

Define before you ask. Martin Eden Aug 2015 #172

I thought about it, and I answer "Not over the people". daybranch Aug 2015 #184

He was right- the best resume for the GOP nomination. canoeist52 Aug 2015 #8

No, she's pro choice, pro universal health care, pro environment CreekDog Aug 2015 #104

She's pro regulation of markets? Hoppy Aug 2015 #123

No I meant that for reals. canoeist52 Aug 2015 #139

You said she'd be a shoo-in to win theRepublican nomination??? CreekDog Aug 2015 #164

With a name other than Clinton, and if she were male... canoeist52 Aug 2015 #174

Do you really believe this? Gothmog Aug 2015 #155

There are liberals and conservatives in politics. canoeist52 Aug 2015 #159

You're saying there are just two groups CreekDog Aug 2015 #165

The RW hates her with a passion, always has. From Gingrich to Rove to now they've spread lies... Hekate Aug 2015 #162

No no no, canoelist says she's a shoo i n for the GOP nomination CreekDog Aug 2015 #166

This thread is giving me a headache Hekate Aug 2015 #177

Thank God many DU'ers view of reality is not reality CreekDog Aug 2015 #183

If he actually said that, you might have a point. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #238

She may have all that. pangaia Aug 2015 #13

She's got the party machine... Bohemianwriter Aug 2015 #41

Nixon also had the best resume daybranch Aug 2015 #65

Obviously many here have not been paying attention. Hillary is great on the issues most people care kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #101

And compared to modern Repugs he was much better. Even considering watergate and that crap. stevenleser Aug 2015 #239

Let'ws be honest - HRC is the front runner because she is the wife of the very popular WJ Clinton. jonno99 Aug 2015 #78

" because she is the wife of the very popular WJ Clinton" sufrommich Aug 2015 #80

You got that right... jonno99 Aug 2015 #82

Maybe she's an appendage of her husband... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #248

No, she is simply a priviledged candidate. She's got a huge head-start because jonno99 Aug 2015 #275

I would argue her resume is anything but thin... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #277

Don't get me wrong - that is a fine resume. And Hillary could be a fine president, jonno99 Aug 2015 #278

The same advantage enjoyed by JFK, RFK, EMK, and FDR for starters DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #279

I just ran across another post using the same dismissive descriptor... Spazito Aug 2015 #105

It has the opposite affect than they think it will,just like their sufrommich Aug 2015 #109

I agree, it hurts their preferred candidate so much more .... Spazito Aug 2015 #114

"Bill Clinton's wife" has more years in service to the nation on the national stage than MADem Aug 2015 #124

I know, it is a juvenile attempt, not the first unfortunately, to denigrate her... Spazito Aug 2015 #126

"The little lady". barf Hekate Aug 2015 #180

Yep, no sexism there, nosirree... Spazito Aug 2015 #181

Investigate her work resume. Do you live in Patigonia? lumpy Aug 2015 #201

WTF does that even mean? nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #202

My post was meant to go to another poster. I am truly sorry. lumpy Aug 2015 #203

lol. I have done that before too. No problem.nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #204

They really can't help it, can they? Their kneejerk reactions throw women, POC, whoever else under stevenleser Aug 2015 #240

Running around with your hair on fire braying about the one percent... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #250

Not Surprising LeFleur1 Aug 2015 #87

No she would not have made it without Bill. Carolina Aug 2015 #283

Yep. askew Aug 2015 #132

so you feel that Bobby Kennedy carpetbagged his Senate seat in NY? CreekDog Aug 2015 #190

Who gives a fuck? Is he running for president claiming to be the most askew Aug 2015 #195

Because if she's the first person you are making this comment about CreekDog Aug 2015 #200

I wasn't even alive when Bobby Kennedy was so Hillary is the first person in askew Aug 2015 #223

Hillary Clinton has done a great deal on her own Gothmog Aug 2015 #156

That's appallingly sexist. HRC has spent her entire adult life working for the betterment ... Hekate Aug 2015 #179

I don't dispute anything that you wrote - except that it is not sexist - it is reality jonno99 Aug 2015 #185

As I said to suffromich above, they just can't help themselves. stevenleser Aug 2015 #241

My my. Hilary is well known nation wide because of her national jobs or lumpy Aug 2015 #197

She has painted herself into a corner - the election is hers to lose Jemmons Aug 2015 #98

She has been running a far different campaign than 2008 Gothmog Aug 2015 #154

The goodness of an attack lies in it ability to stop or slow down your adversary. Or at least boost Jemmons Aug 2015 #178

Is Rubio the go-to guy for political insight? frylock Aug 2015 #171

Well said. The coronation only existed in their heads. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #5

Is that really the story you want to stick with? Gore1FL Aug 2015 #12

"30 years of govt experience" SonderWoman Aug 2015 #24

Sanders has that: he was first elected in the 1980s. n/t Gore1FL Aug 2015 #95

She has a nearly forty five year public career. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #75

Sorry--but this is not exactly "kosher" artislife Aug 2015 #86

I hate to do this but in Hillary's defense she was considered the A Simple Game Aug 2015 #90

No artislife Aug 2015 #136

No, it doesn't count. Lordy, she doesn't get credit for that. askew Aug 2015 #137

Ironically she might be the first candidate in history who is overqualified for the job. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #103

I don't think being married to someone with a career counts Gore1FL Aug 2015 #94

"I don't think being married to someone with a career counts." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #111

It's almost unbelievable and ugly as hell. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #122

The older I get the more I realize how some progressives really aren't all that progressive... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #125

There's a reason the term "brogressive" exists. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #128

I had not heard that term before, but it sure fits.... Hekate Aug 2015 #187

Jesus CreekDog Aug 2015 #167

He didn't exist, but if he did, Hillary would have a better resume' than him. n/t Gore1FL Aug 2015 #210

How dare the little lady have a law degree and a burgeoning career while being a governor's wife? Hekate Aug 2015 #182

Having a law degree is a resume item, to be sure. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #188

She's got 45 years experience. If you choose to turn a blind eye, that's a personal problem. Hekate Aug 2015 #189

What did she do from 1992-2000? n/t Gore1FL Aug 2015 #206

She was just a little lady in white gloves having teas for other little ladies Hekate Aug 2015 #211

I never claimed she had the best resume of the crowd. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #214

What did she do from 1992-2000? n/t DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #252

Thank you. That's the first actual answer anyone has posted. n/t Gore1FL Aug 2015 #285

Her record in politics is far more than being married to Bill Clinton CreekDog Aug 2015 #191

Yeah. She was SOS and Senator. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Aug 2015 #217

I attempted to say she had 10-12 years of experience. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #219

Neil deGrasse Tyson's wife is accomplished in her own right, as is Hillary CreekDog Aug 2015 #192

She is. But she doesn't have his experience by osmosis. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #208

no wonder you're posting this nonsense: CreekDog Aug 2015 #216

Ad Hominem. Awesome. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #218

nah, totally relevant. you have played games on gender topics before CreekDog Aug 2015 #220

This has nothing to do with gender. You cannot support the claim her resume is superior. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #221

Quoting you back to yourself is not what an ad hominem attack is. Sheesh. Also, no evidence ... Hekate Aug 2015 #242

Taking an out-of-context post from years ago instead of supporting an argument Gore1FL Aug 2015 #245

Can someone please tell me what this even means ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #256

It means that some are invested in pretending that sufrommich Aug 2015 #267

Kind of odd... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #270

Yes,but that would defeat the purpose sufrommich Aug 2015 #273

Never try to convince somebody DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #274

Or in O'Malley's case, 15 years of executive experience askew Aug 2015 #133

Has anyone in Congress endorsed Sanders yet? Gothmog Aug 2015 #157

I suspect Sanders will be voting for himself. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #209

His fellow senators and the members of congress who have worked with him will have an opinion Gothmog Aug 2015 #224

They won't or haven't? Gore1FL Aug 2015 #228

Look at the contrast to Hillary Clinton Gothmog Aug 2015 #244

And still has a short resume, which was the point I was challenging. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #246

Your title is illogical. longship Aug 2015 #9

Being the frontrunner isn't its own form of qualification for the Presidency. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #10

well what it does mean is that she has greater support among the party members CreekDog Aug 2015 #193

The whole "her royal highness","queen Hillary"meme is sexist. sufrommich Aug 2015 #11

I can't think of a presidential nominee who was more hated and reviled pipoman Aug 2015 #18

She polls much higher than anyone within her party. sufrommich Aug 2015 #19

Polls... pipoman Aug 2015 #40

What? She has HUGE approval from her own party. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #22

She also is more hated within the party than any candidate I can ever remember... pipoman Aug 2015 #43

DU is not the real world. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #46

Not all DU posters are Democrats (eom) oasis Aug 2015 #50

"..Right here on DU.." give us a break. Du isn't the real world. They hate Pres Obama, too.. Cha Aug 2015 #55

The DU hates President Obama meme is getting old davidpdx Aug 2015 #91

Thank you. +1 840high Aug 2015 #226

Polls say otherwise. Hillary is very popular with actual Democrats. DU is not the real world, Metric System Aug 2015 #56

Maybe you should let these people know, they are saying something different. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #100

That poll shows a 70% approval among Democrats. Metric System Aug 2015 #143

She isn't. I wonder why you continue to confuse your thoughts... CreekDog Aug 2015 #194

Only in your mind...please dont send any more nastiest pm's either stalking isn't becoming... pipoman Aug 2015 #196

The suspision against her is that she has corporate donors... Bohemianwriter Aug 2015 #45

So ...... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #79

Hear hear Nance lumpy Aug 2015 #205

So what are your indications then? Bohemianwriter Aug 2015 #286

You forgot the BIGGIE ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #288

Did Hillary start it by throwing poison in the well Bohemianwriter Aug 2015 #290

Never heard it before? It's used all the time with the Republican candidates. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #88

It was never her being a woman. It was her policies that sucked. Picking Dem Aug 2015 #116

Every election cycle starts with the most obvious candidates pipoman Aug 2015 #15

Anointed, chosen one..... quickesst Aug 2015 #16

Sorry, but it's her supporters that have been telling everyone that the race is over. Dawgs Aug 2015 #26

Bullshit quickesst Aug 2015 #47

Got it. Her supporters suggesting that she should skip the primary is perfectly fine to you. n/t Dawgs Aug 2015 #54

I don't think... quickesst Aug 2015 #102

Since before she was even running Bettie Aug 2015 #20

Yep davidpdx Aug 2015 #93

Yeah, it isn't about maligning her Bettie Aug 2015 #108

...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #227

Starting maybe two years ago SheilaT Aug 2015 #21

Any links to those claims? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #23

You're obviously new here, so you haven't seen it yet. Dawgs Aug 2015 #29

Yeah okay. Find me one. Just one. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #31

"Mrs. Clinton can virtually have the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016" progressoid Aug 2015 #64

An article from 2013 is your proof? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #129

Yep. You said, "Find me one. Just one." progressoid Aug 2015 #150

What a crock. The fact that Hillary is hugely popular within sufrommich Aug 2015 #38

People seem to forget what the beginning of the year was like artislife Aug 2015 #92

Yep. The general meme out there absolutely SheilaT Aug 2015 #212

We do tend to run like 5th graders artislife Aug 2015 #215

No she hasn' t "earned" that much mylye2222 Aug 2015 #32

Sexist nonsense. I'm not surprised to see it here. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #39

I'm not surprised, either.. they are desperate. It shows all over the board. Cha Aug 2015 #53

I expzcted that... mylye2222 Aug 2015 #59

Referring to her as "flotus" as if that was her accomplishment sufrommich Aug 2015 #60

Didnt she began to be popular and estimeed mylye2222 Aug 2015 #66

So? Why does that matter now? Since then sufrommich Aug 2015 #68

All since 2000 artislife Aug 2015 #96

And Ted Kennedy wouldn't have had the name recognition sufrommich Aug 2015 #119

I agree with all the examples except Al artislife Aug 2015 #176

LOL, sexist your only excuse? Many people who hate Hillary love warren! Explain that! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #236

Yeah, and maybe Bill wouldn't have been President if Hillary wasn't his wife. Metric System Aug 2015 #144

they were pushing her to run in the 1980's actually CreekDog Aug 2015 #198

says the poster who came to DU to call them "Billary" CreekDog Aug 2015 #199

One word: tk2kewl Aug 2015 #35

She earned it allright... Bohemianwriter Aug 2015 #36

Here: SonderWoman Aug 2015 #48

Proves a point, doesn't it? Bohemianwriter Aug 2015 #287

Media ordained frontrunner supported by polls of uninterested voters. fbc Aug 2015 #37

Over on the conservative side, they use that same phrase towards Jeb! The Green Manalishi Aug 2015 #44

On 'Today' this morning, the talking heads glibly spoke of how PatrickforO Aug 2015 #49

Her favorables/trustworthy #s are baked in at this point. askew Aug 2015 #140

Hillary is our best chance to keep the White House OhWiseOne Aug 2015 #51

Great example of winning the battle but losing the war. RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #62

Just like those lovely persons JackInGreen Aug 2015 #52

If by "earned" you mean she started her campaign the day after the 2008 election tularetom Aug 2015 #57

Nailed it. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #67

It is name recognition. Hillary's got Joe-mentum RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #69

I mean earned it by having the support of as many Democrats as she does CreekDog Aug 2015 #107

I'm guessing a lot of "those Democrats" don't even know who else is running tularetom Aug 2015 #131

You're "guessing"? Let's clarify that it's not an educated guess CreekDog Aug 2015 #142

You have an amazing capacity to read things into a post tularetom Aug 2015 #145

This is one of the few times gender isn't the issue... raindaddy Aug 2015 #70

But that won't stop people from suggesting that it is. RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #76

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.. And sometimes it's simply about personality and the ISSUES! raindaddy Aug 2015 #89

Please tell us how she has earned INdemo Aug 2015 #72

Please tell us how you can read when i clearly didn't say she earned the nomination CreekDog Aug 2015 #113

Ok guess I did say that but what I meant was INdemo Aug 2015 #186

The really funny part (in a sad way) is that she would have been better off if DJ13 Aug 2015 #235

She may have earned it through longevity, but she has not earned my vote Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #73

George Sr.-4+ years (Reagan was senile), B. Clinton-8 years, George Jr.-8 years, jalan48 Aug 2015 #74

Of course it is!!!! mylye2222 Aug 2015 #83

This is not a gender issue. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #84

Certainly not a gender issue. PADemD Aug 2015 #127

Same. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #146

I will vote for the Dem nominee, but DownriverDem Aug 2015 #85

How has she earned it? What if her last name was Rodham? Avalux Aug 2015 #110

What if Eleanor Roosevelt hada different surname? CreekDog Aug 2015 #118

I didn't say that. Clinton's name is a factor in her popularity - do you not agree? n/t Avalux Aug 2015 #120

It's not about Hillary, the woman. I think it's pushback against azmom Aug 2015 #117

First off all, it isn't about sexism it is about policy stances that are out of touch with most davidpdx Aug 2015 #130

I think it's going to boil down to One Issue...are we going to continue the libdem4life Aug 2015 #134

as I have said DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #135

I thought nobody every had this level of support before? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #138

Hillary has the most corporate and Party insider support. She leads no grass roots movement. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #141

It's as silly a term as was "messiah" in regards to Obama. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #149

Not entitled and anointed AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #151

Well said and totally agree. DCBob Aug 2015 #152

Bernie will destroy her in the debates, expose her. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #160

Not likely. He may very well out-debate her, though. randome Aug 2015 #161

As likely as Andre Berto will destroy Floyd Mayweather in their boxing match, expose him./Nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #253

Bernie is more liberal than hillary wants to be. But keep making up stuff. You.... Logical Aug 2015 #261

That has nothing to do with what I said. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #263

Actually, Hillary has been "annointed" to the extent she receives preferential treatment ... Martin Eden Aug 2015 #168

Inevitable, front runner, best there is, most qualified... Carolina Aug 2015 #169

+100 840high Aug 2015 #230

+1000 nt Logical Aug 2015 #237

excellent post!nt m-lekktor Aug 2015 #251

The whole Sanders/Trump false equivalency media punditry, both being "atypical politicians" Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #175

If she keeps the lead through the primary, she'll earn it. last1standing Aug 2015 #213

How? colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #222

"By just being the wife of an ex president?" DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #247

We're now counting Hillary's post-grad work as an "accomplishment"? You also forgot Walmart. Thin gruel indeed! Romulox Aug 2015 #255

"We're now counting Hillary's post-grad work as an "accomplishment"? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #257

I heard she also earned *several* badges on her sash as a girl scout!1!!!!! nt Romulox Aug 2015 #258

You're better than this... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #259

No. I'm not. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #265

Even bringing up Hillary's record is itself sexist. It's HER TURN! nt Romulox Aug 2015 #254

...A-a-and stop calling them "LEGOS..." They are "Lego Building Blocks!" dogknob Aug 2015 #266

Actually, Kerry and Gore were also described as "entitled" and "anointed" Ken Burch Aug 2015 #276

K N' R like Axl and Slash ericson00 Aug 2015 #281

K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #284

I wonder who really runs faster, Hillary or Bernie? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #289