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In reply to the discussion: Hillary won't take Super PAC money either: Bernie, PACs, and Super PACs [View all]BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)42. We've had this thread three times this week
So I'll just repost what I did in one of them. This meme won't stick and actually just brings out the facts that make your candidate look especially bad.
Hillary and Bill do personal fundraising appearances for their super pacs. Her super pac Correct the Record is directly working with the campaign, trying to take a shot at even breaking the rules of Citizens United, while *at the same time* Clinton's platform says she opposes it.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-13/is-new-hillary-clinton-super-pac-pushing-legal-boundaries-
Whats unusual is that Correct the Record plans to coordinate with the Clinton campaign and potentially other federal campaigns and Democratic party committeessomething that quickly drew skepticism from watchdogs who find it difficult to see how the group can function without running afoul of campaign finance laws. Those laws are designed to prevent committees that collect big-dollar contributions from having direct contact with campaigns.
Correct the Records plans to coordinate with Clintons team amount, at the very least, to a campaign finance law boundary-pushing arrangement, said Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. As a super-PAC, the group cannot make any contributions to a candidate directly or in kind, he said.
Correct the Records communications director, Adrienne Watson, defended its approach, arguing that FEC rules specifically permit some activityin particular, activity on an organizations website, in email, and on social mediato be legally coordinated with candidates and political parties.
Correct the Records plans to coordinate with Clintons team amount, at the very least, to a campaign finance law boundary-pushing arrangement, said Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. As a super-PAC, the group cannot make any contributions to a candidate directly or in kind, he said.
Correct the Records communications director, Adrienne Watson, defended its approach, arguing that FEC rules specifically permit some activityin particular, activity on an organizations website, in email, and on social mediato be legally coordinated with candidates and political parties.
But here you can see that they are already serving as part of the campaign and working in *traditional* media.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
One day in May, operatives from a Washington-based super PAC gathered New Hampshire mayors, state representatives and local politicos at Saint Anselm College for a day of training.
They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been a lifetime champion of income opportunity. And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews.
The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nations first presidential primary.
The super PAC, called Correct the Record, convened similar talking-point tutorials and media-training classes in May and June in three other early-voting states Iowa, Nevada and South Carolina as well as sessions earlier this spring in California.
Presidential campaigns have for decades fed talking points to surrogates who appear on national television or introduce candidates on the stump. But the effort to script and train local supporters is unusually ambitious and illustrates the extent to which the Clinton campaign and its web of sanctioned, allied super PACs are leaving nothing to chance.
They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been a lifetime champion of income opportunity. And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews.
The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nations first presidential primary.
The super PAC, called Correct the Record, convened similar talking-point tutorials and media-training classes in May and June in three other early-voting states Iowa, Nevada and South Carolina as well as sessions earlier this spring in California.
Presidential campaigns have for decades fed talking points to surrogates who appear on national television or introduce candidates on the stump. But the effort to script and train local supporters is unusually ambitious and illustrates the extent to which the Clinton campaign and its web of sanctioned, allied super PACs are leaving nothing to chance.
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Hillary won't take Super PAC money either: Bernie, PACs, and Super PACs [View all]
BainsBane
Jul 2015
OP
We've known about the (non-Super) PACs all along. They're in that donation graph of Clinton/Sanders
arcane1
Jul 2015
#14
Fact of the matter is that Bernie supporters don't know he has personal affiliation with PACs
Sheepshank
Jul 2015
#30
Over the years Sanders has gotten a higher percentage of his contributions from PACs than....
George II
Jul 2015
#35
If you can't see the difference between Hillary raising money for her SuperPAC....
virtualobserver
Jul 2015
#20
Is that illegal? She's going to need hundreds of millions of dollars once she's the nominee...
George II
Jul 2015
#36
no, but this thread is trying to imply that Bernie is doing exactly the same thing....
virtualobserver
Jul 2015
#37
Yet. In fact, if a SuperPAC decides to spend millions of dollars to support Sanders' campaign....
George II
Jul 2015
#41
I know his spokesperson has said that, but its well known already that it's going to happen.
George II
Jul 2015
#44
They can not take money, but Colbert and Jon Stewart proved that there is no real impediment,
Agnosticsherbet
Jul 2015
#4
"Focusing on one man as the savior" is a strawman, and is not based in real life.
arcane1
Jul 2015
#16
It is really great to see the next president who is able to have a cordial relationship
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#29
Hillary will make a great president, she works for Americans, all lives matter.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#46
I don't hide my opinion from anyone, I also do not feel threatened by Netroots.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#49
I wonder if any of the (non-Super) PACs affiliated with Clinton have been fined?
George II
Jul 2015
#38
"Hillary Clinton's SuperPAC" was in fact created long before she announced...
George II
Jul 2015
#52
It might be enough to sway some here and there, regardless of how ridiculous the claim.
NorthCarolina
Jul 2015
#28
That's like when a candidate brags about not taking money from corporations.
bluestateguy
Jul 2015
#39