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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
42. We've had this thread three times this week
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jul 2015

So I'll just repost what I did in one of them. This meme won't stick and actually just brings out the facts that make your candidate look especially bad.

Hillary and Bill do personal fundraising appearances for their super pacs. Her super pac Correct the Record is directly working with the campaign, trying to take a shot at even breaking the rules of Citizens United, while *at the same time* Clinton's platform says she opposes it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-13/is-new-hillary-clinton-super-pac-pushing-legal-boundaries-

What’s unusual is that Correct the Record plans to coordinate with the Clinton campaign and potentially other federal campaigns and Democratic party committees—something that quickly drew skepticism from watchdogs who find it difficult to see how the group can function without running afoul of campaign finance laws. Those laws are designed to prevent committees that collect big-dollar contributions from having direct contact with campaigns.

Correct the Record’s plans to coordinate with Clinton’s team amount, at the very least, to a “campaign finance law boundary-pushing” arrangement, said Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. As a super-PAC, the group “cannot make any contributions to a candidate directly or in kind,” he said.

Correct the Record’s communications director, Adrienne Watson, defended its approach, arguing that “FEC rules specifically permit some activity—in particular, activity on an organization’s website, in email, and on social media—to be legally coordinated with candidates and political parties.”


But here you can see that they are already serving as part of the campaign and working in *traditional* media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

One day in May, operatives from a Washington-based super PAC gathered New Hampshire mayors, state representatives and local politicos at Saint Anselm College for a day of training.

They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been “a lifetime champion of income opportunity.” And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews.

The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nation’s first presidential primary.

The super PAC, called Correct the Record, convened similar talking-point tutorials and media-training classes in May and June in three other early-voting states — Iowa, Nevada and South Carolina — as well as sessions earlier this spring in California.

Presidential campaigns have for decades fed talking points to surrogates who appear on national television or introduce candidates on the stump. But the effort to script and train local supporters is unusually ambitious and illustrates the extent to which the Clinton campaign and its web of sanctioned, allied super PACs are leaving nothing to chance.


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You figured out how Super-PACs work! arcane1 Jul 2015 #1
The OP explains both BainsBane Jul 2015 #5
Who make what claim? arcane1 Jul 2015 #7
The claim oft repeated that he has sworn not to take money from Super PACs BainsBane Jul 2015 #13
We've known about the (non-Super) PACs all along. They're in that donation graph of Clinton/Sanders arcane1 Jul 2015 #14
So what you care about is money that goes to Clinton BainsBane Jul 2015 #17
Fact of the matter is that Bernie supporters don't know he has personal affiliation with PACs Sheepshank Jul 2015 #30
Over the years Sanders has gotten a higher percentage of his contributions from PACs than.... George II Jul 2015 #35
She (he? if so sorry!) already did explain the difference between the two. George II Jul 2015 #34
Stop being logical BB! mcar Jul 2015 #2
I hate when that happens shenmue Jul 2015 #40
Hillary is raising money for her SuperPAC virtualobserver Jul 2015 #3
“It’s a free country,” he said. BainsBane Jul 2015 #9
I repeat.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #12
then I suggest you consult the dictionary BainsBane Jul 2015 #15
If you can't see the difference between Hillary raising money for her SuperPAC.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #20
Is that illegal? She's going to need hundreds of millions of dollars once she's the nominee... George II Jul 2015 #36
no, but this thread is trying to imply that Bernie is doing exactly the same thing.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #37
Yet. In fact, if a SuperPAC decides to spend millions of dollars to support Sanders' campaign.... George II Jul 2015 #41
I am forced to type this over and over and over and over virtualobserver Jul 2015 #43
I know his spokesperson has said that, but its well known already that it's going to happen. George II Jul 2015 #44
It was announced by someone who (1) has never met Bernie virtualobserver Jul 2015 #48
They can not take money, but Colbert and Jon Stewart proved that there is no real impediment, Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #4
Thanks. Yes, I remember that BainsBane Jul 2015 #10
"Focusing on one man as the savior" is a strawman, and is not based in real life. arcane1 Jul 2015 #16
Hardly made-up BainsBane Jul 2015 #18
Stewart and Colbert's resoltuionon Superpac's (Link below) Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #6
Very nicely said. Recommended. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #8
We all know that candidates are not sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #11
Excellent! It's looking more like Bernie is quite the opportunist. R B Garr Jul 2015 #19
Thank you. It's been a point that I have been trying to make. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #21
SuperPACs are Hired Guns used by Candidates 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #22
They absolutely find creative ways BainsBane Jul 2015 #23
If you feel the system is really rotten 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #24
Because Hillary, who has the best shot at Prez, will appoint SCOTUS JaneyVee Jul 2015 #25
So will Sanders 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #27
It is really great to see the next president who is able to have a cordial relationship Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #29
This is the "Club" that George Carlin was famously talking about 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #32
Hillary will make a great president, she works for Americans, all lives matter. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #46
You better not say "all lives matter" anywhere near Netroots Nation 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #47
I don't hide my opinion from anyone, I also do not feel threatened by Netroots. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #49
One man doesn't fix a system BainsBane Jul 2015 #31
If Hillary can talk to that traitor daybranch Jul 2015 #45
I wonder if any of the (non-Super) PACs affiliated with Clinton have been fined? George II Jul 2015 #38
Since you seem to know so much about sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #26
"Hillary Clinton's SuperPAC" was in fact created long before she announced... George II Jul 2015 #52
It might be enough to sway some here and there, regardless of how ridiculous the claim. NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #28
Ah yes...it's the two dirty angle attacks... SoapBox Jul 2015 #33
That's like when a candidate brags about not taking money from corporations. bluestateguy Jul 2015 #39
We've had this thread three times this week BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #42
OK! And of course, you can provide links to a few of the many posts MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #50
Great post. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #51
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