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Showing Original Post only (View all)Hillary won't take Super PAC money either: Bernie, PACs, and Super PACs [View all]
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O'Malley won't take Super Pac money. Not even Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, or Jeb Bush will take Super PAC money. You know why? It's illegal for Super PACs to give money to candidates. Yet Hillary isn't trying to fool the electorate into believing she is above it all by making a grand announcement that she won't take money that is already illegal to take.
Technically known as independent expenditure-only committees, Super may raise unlimited sums of money from corporations, unions, associations and individuals, then spend unlimited sums to overtly advocate for or against political candidates. Super must, however, report their donors to the Federal Election Commission on a monthly or quarterly basis -- the Super choice -- as a traditional PAC would. Unlike traditional , Super are prohibited from donating money directly to political candidates.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php
It's easy to promise something no candidate can do anyway. So why is Bernie making a promise when he knows he can't take money from Super PACs anyway? He's counting on the electorate being uninformed about campaign finance. He's counting on gullibility.
Bernie does take money from PACs and has throughout his career. One PAC that has supported him for over a decade, whose treasurer is Bernie's his Field Director, was recently fined for violating the already far too meager campaign finance law . http://www.timesargus.com/article/20150704/NEWS03/707049936
I have been told Bernie disavows any PAC activity on his behalf, but if that were true, why would he continue to keep in a high position within the campaign the Treasurer of a long-term PAC for Bernie? And why has he accepted money from that PAC?
Super PACs can't contribute directly to candidates, but they can run ads and campaign on behalf of candidates. That is precisely the purpose of the Super PACs set up around Sanders presidential campaign:
I know of two, but there may well be more.
1) Bet on Bernie 2016 http://www.pledgesanders2016.com/
2) Billionaires for Bernie. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/15/theres-a-new-super-pac-for-bernie-sanders-it-wants-billionaire-donors/
So perhaps, just perhaps, before people call the country's first viable female candidate for the presidency a "whore," and accuse her for taking "bribes" for doing exactly what every president you have voted for does, you ought to think twice. Perhaps you ought to think about the campaign finance system rather than pretending it's all about an awful woman who dares to exceed her place in life by doing exactly what male candidates you have voted for do. Perhaps you ought to think about why you are heralding Bernie Sanders as superior to not only every other politician but also voters who dare to ask questions, when he makes empty promises about not taking money from Super PACs?
Clinton isn't pandering to the public about Super PACs. She isn't pretending she is special for following the law. She knows the problem of money in politics is a systemic issue that hinges around SCOTUS, which is why she has pledged to appoint judges who will overturn Citizens United. She also supports a constitutional amendment to overturn it and legislation to get Dark Money out of politics.
Sanders is a politician. He is not the messiah. He advances some very important issues, but he is not prefect, as his empty claims on Super PACs reveal. You as a citizen have an obligation to inform yourself on issues of campaign finance, even if doing so counters the claims of a politician you support.
Now, I don't post this to convince people to vote for Clinton in the primary. I know full well that is a lost cause for most here. Moreover, I fully respect your right to make your own democratic choices in the primary. What I am FED UP with is the false accusations, name calling, and fabrications directed against her. She is in fact a leading Democratic candidate for the presidency and she has a strong chance of being the nominee, whether you like it or not. On the GOP side, the nominee is more likely to be a Tea Bagger than not, probably Scott Walker. So think twice about whether supporting Sanders requires promoting false claims that may work to suppress the vote in the general election and help usher in a Tea Bag presidency.
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Hillary won't take Super PAC money either: Bernie, PACs, and Super PACs [View all]
BainsBane
Jul 2015
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We've known about the (non-Super) PACs all along. They're in that donation graph of Clinton/Sanders
arcane1
Jul 2015
#14
Fact of the matter is that Bernie supporters don't know he has personal affiliation with PACs
Sheepshank
Jul 2015
#30
Over the years Sanders has gotten a higher percentage of his contributions from PACs than....
George II
Jul 2015
#35
If you can't see the difference between Hillary raising money for her SuperPAC....
virtualobserver
Jul 2015
#20
Is that illegal? She's going to need hundreds of millions of dollars once she's the nominee...
George II
Jul 2015
#36
no, but this thread is trying to imply that Bernie is doing exactly the same thing....
virtualobserver
Jul 2015
#37
Yet. In fact, if a SuperPAC decides to spend millions of dollars to support Sanders' campaign....
George II
Jul 2015
#41
I know his spokesperson has said that, but its well known already that it's going to happen.
George II
Jul 2015
#44
They can not take money, but Colbert and Jon Stewart proved that there is no real impediment,
Agnosticsherbet
Jul 2015
#4
"Focusing on one man as the savior" is a strawman, and is not based in real life.
arcane1
Jul 2015
#16
It is really great to see the next president who is able to have a cordial relationship
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#29
Hillary will make a great president, she works for Americans, all lives matter.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#46
I don't hide my opinion from anyone, I also do not feel threatened by Netroots.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#49
I wonder if any of the (non-Super) PACs affiliated with Clinton have been fined?
George II
Jul 2015
#38
"Hillary Clinton's SuperPAC" was in fact created long before she announced...
George II
Jul 2015
#52
It might be enough to sway some here and there, regardless of how ridiculous the claim.
NorthCarolina
Jul 2015
#28
That's like when a candidate brags about not taking money from corporations.
bluestateguy
Jul 2015
#39