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BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 05:06 PM Jul 2015

Hillary won't take Super PAC money either: Bernie, PACs, and Super PACs [View all]

Last edited Sat Jul 18, 2015, 05:50 PM - Edit history (1)

O'Malley won't take Super Pac money. Not even Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, or Jeb Bush will take Super PAC money. You know why? It's illegal for Super PACs to give money to candidates. Yet Hillary isn't trying to fool the electorate into believing she is above it all by making a grand announcement that she won't take money that is already illegal to take.

Technically known as independent expenditure-only committees, Super may raise unlimited sums of money from corporations, unions, associations and individuals, then spend unlimited sums to overtly advocate for or against political candidates. Super must, however, report their donors to the Federal Election Commission on a monthly or quarterly basis -- the Super choice -- as a traditional PAC would. Unlike traditional , Super are prohibited from donating money directly to political candidates.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php


It's easy to promise something no candidate can do anyway. So why is Bernie making a promise when he knows he can't take money from Super PACs anyway? He's counting on the electorate being uninformed about campaign finance. He's counting on gullibility.

Bernie does take money from PACs and has throughout his career. One PAC that has supported him for over a decade, whose treasurer is Bernie's his Field Director, was recently fined for violating the already far too meager campaign finance law . http://www.timesargus.com/article/20150704/NEWS03/707049936

I have been told Bernie disavows any PAC activity on his behalf, but if that were true, why would he continue to keep in a high position within the campaign the Treasurer of a long-term PAC for Bernie? And why has he accepted money from that PAC?

Super PACs can't contribute directly to candidates, but they can run ads and campaign on behalf of candidates. That is precisely the purpose of the Super PACs set up around Sanders presidential campaign:
I know of two, but there may well be more.
1) Bet on Bernie 2016 http://www.pledgesanders2016.com/

2) Billionaires for Bernie. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/15/theres-a-new-super-pac-for-bernie-sanders-it-wants-billionaire-donors/

So perhaps, just perhaps, before people call the country's first viable female candidate for the presidency a "whore," and accuse her for taking "bribes" for doing exactly what every president you have voted for does, you ought to think twice. Perhaps you ought to think about the campaign finance system rather than pretending it's all about an awful woman who dares to exceed her place in life by doing exactly what male candidates you have voted for do. Perhaps you ought to think about why you are heralding Bernie Sanders as superior to not only every other politician but also voters who dare to ask questions, when he makes empty promises about not taking money from Super PACs?

Clinton isn't pandering to the public about Super PACs. She isn't pretending she is special for following the law. She knows the problem of money in politics is a systemic issue that hinges around SCOTUS, which is why she has pledged to appoint judges who will overturn Citizens United. She also supports a constitutional amendment to overturn it and legislation to get Dark Money out of politics.

Sanders is a politician. He is not the messiah. He advances some very important issues, but he is not prefect, as his empty claims on Super PACs reveal. You as a citizen have an obligation to inform yourself on issues of campaign finance, even if doing so counters the claims of a politician you support.

Now, I don't post this to convince people to vote for Clinton in the primary. I know full well that is a lost cause for most here. Moreover, I fully respect your right to make your own democratic choices in the primary. What I am FED UP with is the false accusations, name calling, and fabrications directed against her. She is in fact a leading Democratic candidate for the presidency and she has a strong chance of being the nominee, whether you like it or not. On the GOP side, the nominee is more likely to be a Tea Bagger than not, probably Scott Walker. So think twice about whether supporting Sanders requires promoting false claims that may work to suppress the vote in the general election and help usher in a Tea Bag presidency.


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You figured out how Super-PACs work! arcane1 Jul 2015 #1
The OP explains both BainsBane Jul 2015 #5
Who make what claim? arcane1 Jul 2015 #7
The claim oft repeated that he has sworn not to take money from Super PACs BainsBane Jul 2015 #13
We've known about the (non-Super) PACs all along. They're in that donation graph of Clinton/Sanders arcane1 Jul 2015 #14
So what you care about is money that goes to Clinton BainsBane Jul 2015 #17
Fact of the matter is that Bernie supporters don't know he has personal affiliation with PACs Sheepshank Jul 2015 #30
Over the years Sanders has gotten a higher percentage of his contributions from PACs than.... George II Jul 2015 #35
She (he? if so sorry!) already did explain the difference between the two. George II Jul 2015 #34
Stop being logical BB! mcar Jul 2015 #2
I hate when that happens shenmue Jul 2015 #40
Hillary is raising money for her SuperPAC virtualobserver Jul 2015 #3
“It’s a free country,” he said. BainsBane Jul 2015 #9
I repeat.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #12
then I suggest you consult the dictionary BainsBane Jul 2015 #15
If you can't see the difference between Hillary raising money for her SuperPAC.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #20
Is that illegal? She's going to need hundreds of millions of dollars once she's the nominee... George II Jul 2015 #36
no, but this thread is trying to imply that Bernie is doing exactly the same thing.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #37
Yet. In fact, if a SuperPAC decides to spend millions of dollars to support Sanders' campaign.... George II Jul 2015 #41
I am forced to type this over and over and over and over virtualobserver Jul 2015 #43
I know his spokesperson has said that, but its well known already that it's going to happen. George II Jul 2015 #44
It was announced by someone who (1) has never met Bernie virtualobserver Jul 2015 #48
They can not take money, but Colbert and Jon Stewart proved that there is no real impediment, Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #4
Thanks. Yes, I remember that BainsBane Jul 2015 #10
"Focusing on one man as the savior" is a strawman, and is not based in real life. arcane1 Jul 2015 #16
Hardly made-up BainsBane Jul 2015 #18
Stewart and Colbert's resoltuionon Superpac's (Link below) Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #6
Very nicely said. Recommended. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #8
We all know that candidates are not sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #11
Excellent! It's looking more like Bernie is quite the opportunist. R B Garr Jul 2015 #19
Thank you. It's been a point that I have been trying to make. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #21
SuperPACs are Hired Guns used by Candidates 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #22
They absolutely find creative ways BainsBane Jul 2015 #23
If you feel the system is really rotten 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #24
Because Hillary, who has the best shot at Prez, will appoint SCOTUS JaneyVee Jul 2015 #25
So will Sanders 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #27
It is really great to see the next president who is able to have a cordial relationship Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #29
This is the "Club" that George Carlin was famously talking about 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #32
Hillary will make a great president, she works for Americans, all lives matter. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #46
You better not say "all lives matter" anywhere near Netroots Nation 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #47
I don't hide my opinion from anyone, I also do not feel threatened by Netroots. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #49
One man doesn't fix a system BainsBane Jul 2015 #31
If Hillary can talk to that traitor daybranch Jul 2015 #45
I wonder if any of the (non-Super) PACs affiliated with Clinton have been fined? George II Jul 2015 #38
Since you seem to know so much about sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #26
"Hillary Clinton's SuperPAC" was in fact created long before she announced... George II Jul 2015 #52
It might be enough to sway some here and there, regardless of how ridiculous the claim. NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #28
Ah yes...it's the two dirty angle attacks... SoapBox Jul 2015 #33
That's like when a candidate brags about not taking money from corporations. bluestateguy Jul 2015 #39
We've had this thread three times this week BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #42
OK! And of course, you can provide links to a few of the many posts MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #50
Great post. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #51
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