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2016 Postmortem

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BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:20 PM Jul 2015

Hey, Middle Class: Hillary Gets It [View all]

Michael Tomasky

OK, we don’t have many details yet, and she could work on the populist anger. But Hillary Clinton has identified the main economic crisis of our time.

Here’s one thing I’m sure of about the economic speech Hillary Clinton gave Monday morning at the New School: If a relatively unknown Democratic governor of Illinois or Michigan were running for president, and he gave the speech Hillary Clinton gave Monday morning at the New School, rank-and-file liberals would be turning rapturous cartwheels. She correctly identified the central economic problem of our time; she talked very clearly about the kinds of solutions she’d pursue to address it; she even tossed a few threats in Wall Street’s direction.

The problem is the wages of middle-class workers. The solutions are varied but boil down to a range of policies that would do two things: one, give corporations incentives to share profits and think less about short-term profit-maximization; two, help middle-class families meet the life expenses (college tuition, day care, etc.) that have increased greatly over the last 20 years while wages have remained stagnant. And as to Wall Streeters who gamble with middle-class people’s money, she said, “We will prosecute individuals and firms” who do so. She used the word “criminal” in this context more than once.

My hypothetical governor giving exactly this speech would be showered with liberal praise. But Clinton says it, and it’s like so what. She faces too much distrust from liberals over her past centrism; and for the moment everybody’s all Bernie Bernie Bernie. And that’s all fine. Sanders is fun and sometimes exhilarating, and a primary contest needs a candidate who can speak the unvarnished truth.

But it’s the speakers of varnished truth who usually win presidential nominations, and Clinton is at least 90 percent likely to win this one. And as varnished truths go in Democratic presidential politics, Clinton’s are about as liberal as any liberal could reasonably hope for. There’s an art to taking it right up to line, but not an inch past, and she’s doing that.

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Uh oh! Now you've done it! JaneyVee Jul 2015 #1
Great article ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #2
Did she give a specific number she will fight to raise the minimum wage to? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #3
I don't know. I didn't see the speech BainsBane Jul 2015 #4
I read it and there was no number BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #10
No, she doesn't: She will have to nego with Congress; That s a long time away lewebley3 Jul 2015 #21
over the next couple months Mrs Clinton could lead a public push to 'make Congress raise the minimum Sunlei Jul 2015 #75
Yes, and whoever wants to raise the min wage BainsBane Jul 2015 #81
I read somewhere it was $12, but can't find it now. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #72
Profit sharing is the worst thing that's ever happened to the employees of my company. Dawgs Jul 2015 #5
How so? BainsBane Jul 2015 #6
Well, for one, they dumped employee matching of 401K from 4% to 1% to implement it. Dawgs Jul 2015 #17
That sucks BainsBane Jul 2015 #19
It does suck. And, I would argue that most companies would drop something to pay for profit sharing. Dawgs Jul 2015 #30
Oh, yeah BainsBane Jul 2015 #31
And that's why it's ridiculous. You can't make companies do anything when it comes to their money. Dawgs Jul 2015 #33
You can link taxes incentives to certain practices BainsBane Jul 2015 #34
I think you're missing my point. Dawgs Jul 2015 #38
Oh, I see BainsBane Jul 2015 #43
In the company I worked for, it was how they could pit employees against BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #24
Isn't profit sharing socialism? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #9
No! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #11
Not unless its forced. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #12
Please inform yourself BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #14
Mmm hmm. I'll take the Nobel winners word. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #22
Well, I'm speechless BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #26
forced? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #36
We've been told on this site that traffic lights and the military are socialism BainsBane Jul 2015 #13
NO! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #15
I agree, and said so at the time BainsBane Jul 2015 #16
This thread gave me a headache BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #27
Heres the socialists take on profit sharing. Snotcicles Jul 2015 #44
Please post this as an OP because obviously people are very ignorant BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #76
Worst thing? In what way? Profit sharing was the BEST thing that happened to the employees... George II Jul 2015 #89
See post #17 Dawgs Jul 2015 #90
I have participated in profit sharing and it wasn't tied to a 401 plan and we already had a 401 Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #91
OK, but I didn't say that some companies wouldn't benefit from it. Dawgs Jul 2015 #94
OK, I am not against higher minimun wage, this isn't what Hillary is saying at all. She wants some Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #95
he is not wrong ibegurpard Jul 2015 #7
She has lots of supporters who trust her and in fact if you checked on where the Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #92
Give me a holler again when she explicitly reverses her stance on programs like H-1b and H-2B cascadiance Jul 2015 #8
visa foreign workers are paid the federal minimum wage. Plus workers pay the 'contract batchers'... Sunlei Jul 2015 #53
Business as usual... AOR Jul 2015 #18
You know, I agree BainsBane Jul 2015 #23
And that's exactly part of our problem Bains... AOR Jul 2015 #28
Exactly. I'm so fed up with these "Terms of Reality" as if they're set in concrete. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #45
Hi BlueJazz... AOR Jul 2015 #57
Except she doesn't get it, at all. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #20
That is bullshit BainsBane Jul 2015 #25
I understand exactly what it means. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #32
Pretty much nailed it. Dawgs Jul 2015 #35
And INCREASING taxes on the wealthy BainsBane Jul 2015 #40
You're presenting a false dichotomy bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #52
Bingo Populist_Prole Jul 2015 #74
Yes, because corporations have proven time and again whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #50
Check post #44. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #55
Yuck, do not like the sound of that, if that is what she said, yuck randys1 Jul 2015 #51
Oh, God, reading those quotes it sounds EXACTLY like St. Ronny of Rayguns. kath Jul 2015 #84
Maybe you should explain how profit sharing tax incentives Sheepshank Jul 2015 #49
Its not a knee jerk reaction at all bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #62
Oh, my, let's jump out try to curtail working people from getting more money. Do you agree with Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #93
Neoliberal snowjob. Version FU2016 99Forever Jul 2015 #29
+1 CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #42
+2 HFRN Jul 2015 #48
+3 PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #85
+4 azmom Jul 2015 #86
Varnish often cracks Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #37
Like that. So does hairdoes and facial foundations. erronis Jul 2015 #68
Does anyone have a ballpark income range for what Clinton means by "middle class?" RadiationTherapy Jul 2015 #39
No, I don't. I don't know what any politician BainsBane Jul 2015 #46
Its all the Americans paid the crappy minimum (is it $7 now?) who need a higher Federal minimum. Sunlei Jul 2015 #47
And none of these lower-wage people will benefit from tax incentives erronis Jul 2015 #67
"middle class" is almost as nebulous as "working families". n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #56
I think all of the D contenders and President Obama know its "wages of middle-class workers" Sunlei Jul 2015 #41
People don't want "varnished truths" anymore. Maven Jul 2015 #54
Her Hubby And Obama Talked Vague Populism As Well colsohlibgal Jul 2015 #58
Words Are Cheap - Remember Hope And Change cantbeserious Jul 2015 #59
They are especially cheap BainsBane Jul 2015 #60
So True Of HRC cantbeserious Jul 2015 #63
I disagree BainsBane Jul 2015 #70
I So Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2015 #79
Any evidence to base that disagreement on? BainsBane Jul 2015 #80
Joe Stiglitz Gives Thumbs Up To Clinton's Economic Plan Gothmog Jul 2015 #61
Hillary raised some important points, populist points. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #64
As Joseph Stiglitz pointed out: Maedhros Jul 2015 #65
Funny how all the people I thought had me on ignore BainsBane Jul 2015 #69
Stiglitz praised Clinton's economic plan BainsBane Jul 2015 #78
Definately better than Scott Walker's ideas. jalan48 Jul 2015 #66
Varnishing truth hootinholler Jul 2015 #71
What Third Way/DLC shill/apologist wrote this crap??? Roland99 Jul 2015 #73
not from where i am standing restorefreedom Jul 2015 #77
Hillary helps celebrate the ribbon cutting for the 22nd Tata outsourcing office opened in the USA Fumesucker Jul 2015 #82
K&R mcar Jul 2015 #83
So a problem with Sanders is that he is too truthful? Vattel Jul 2015 #87
Kick Cha Jul 2015 #88
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