2016 Postmortem

Scootaloo

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108. Well, you can count me out of your conclusion

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:16 PM

Jul 2015

The only reason I can see for the outrage and conspiratorial speculation is that the outcome wasn't what some people wanted.

One, I'm not outraged. Two, i'm not seeing conspiracy. And three, the results don't matter to me much. There's a billion fucking organizations who will be launching endorsements between now and the convention, some will go Clinton, some will go sanders and, if 2008 is any indication, at least a few will go from Clinton to Sanders. In the end, teachers vote like anyone else -according to what they want, not according to endorsements.

As for conspiracy... I dunno man, if nothing else, doesn't having the union president on one of hte candidate's super PAC boards seem like a conflict of interest? I mean I know nothing about Randi Weingarten beyond hte positions she has, so I don't want to be like yes, some people are doing and accuse her of nefariousness. But, as Clinton supporters like to say, "it's bad optics," nevertheless.

maybe chill your own wild-eye torch-and-pitchfork hyperbolic insult-fest, before trying to accuse others of it.

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So Bernistas are already descending into conspiracy theory land. A little soon, don't you think? [View all] DanTex Jul 2015 OP

Just sad! hrmjustin Jul 2015 #1

He should edit the thread title... Don't you think? Agschmid Jul 2015 #45

I would use the term bernistas. It might offend some. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #46

It will. Agschmid Jul 2015 #76

Whoops! I clicked on this thread and was transported back to the third grade! nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #137

Ok. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #138

What's a Bernista? cyberswede Jul 2015 #2

What is the "Bern"? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #3

The slightly less militant wing of the Sandernistas. Metric System Jul 2015 #4

As a Clash fan... daleanime Jul 2015 #10

Ah the voice of the great fellow Ankaran Joe Strummer... cascadiance Jul 2015 #27

Amen..... daleanime Jul 2015 #30

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #39

Ooh... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #20

I think "Bernista" has a better ring to it. And "Bern" already has an "n" so you don't have to add DanTex Jul 2015 #25

Feh... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #26

Definitely Sandernistas.... daleanime Jul 2015 #28

"Bernista" sounds like some sort of accident prone coffee maker. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #59

it appears to be the sworn enemy of Clintonians Sheepshank Jul 2015 #6

Think the real target of Bernie's ire are the pigistas lark Jul 2015 #68

The People's Front of Sanders. jeff47 Jul 2015 #18

You get props for a great Monty Python reference iandhr Jul 2015 #19

Someone who serves coffee to Bernie? progressoid Jul 2015 #37

So every one in the AFT feels that their voice was heard? daleanime Jul 2015 #5

I would imagine that the AFT Trump supporters probably feel left out. DanTex Jul 2015 #9

Well, I'm sure he does..... daleanime Jul 2015 #12

Many AFT (and NEA) members in my part of Florida support Hillary. Sancho Jul 2015 #7

NT ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #79

The turn out in the last election was dismal... Sancho Jul 2015 #87

Slowly but surely ... I have been erasing the despicable haters from DU Trajan Jul 2015 #8

If I erased the Hillary haters on DU I'd be talking to myself. I kid. Kinda. Metric System Jul 2015 #15

I have also Trajan, haters don't advance the discussion peacebird Jul 2015 #41

apparently they want their own sandbox to play in SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #169

Same reason i got banned from Hillary group, & had not even realized I was in the group peacebird Jul 2015 #170

it sucks both ways SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #171

Yes, I block only the truly rabid haters, who snipe & snear & provide nothing of value to discuss peacebird Jul 2015 #172

Oh no, you exiled him forever? SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #84

Ok Trajan Jul 2015 #113

You can't possibly be talking leftynyc Jul 2015 #95

I have a goal this election Trajan Jul 2015 #115

Then you must have dozens leftynyc Jul 2015 #119

Guess what? Trajan Jul 2015 #149

Very glad to hear that leftynyc Jul 2015 #167

The nastiest? artislife Jul 2015 #152

I also drank the kool aid. Still an obamabot. bravenak Jul 2015 #162

I remember the primary battles of 2008 leftynyc Jul 2015 #168

This. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #157

These threads are indeed very useful... truebrit71 Jul 2015 #97

Indeed ... Trajan Jul 2015 #117

I'm pretty sure that the 19% percent that don't like Hillary have a choice once in the voting booth Sheepshank Jul 2015 #11

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #13

That's "Sandernistas", bucko MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #14

You made some salient points but as exemplars to the world ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16

Actually, Dan is the perfect exemplar of the Hillary faction QC Jul 2015 #21

I rarely hurl epithets at my opponents except in self defense. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #22

And if you do... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #23

Fitting that Hillary supporters would identify with the Contras whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #29

I don't think they actually do. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #32

You can count on Dan to bring up the quality of any forum. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #17

Randi Weingarten...President of the AFT....joined the Board of Ready for Hillary- Jan 2014 virtualobserver Jul 2015 #24

I guarantee you there would be zero outrage and conspiracy theories if a union endorsed Bernie. DanTex Jul 2015 #48

This comment says a lot about who you think most DU-ers support Android3.14 Jul 2015 #63

Yes, most DUers support Bernie. I thought that was obvious. DanTex Jul 2015 #66

My mistake Android3.14 Jul 2015 #99

Is it? There are 200k+ DUers Recursion Jul 2015 #154

Yeah maybe not. lol DanTex Jul 2015 #156

I support Hillary but have stopped posting. musicblind Jul 2015 #159

A Hillary Super-PAC employee is going to endorse Hillary arcane1 Jul 2015 #69

A teacher's union whose membership overwhelmingly prefers Hillary, who ranks Hillary 100%, and DanTex Jul 2015 #78

DanTex SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #158

a board member of Ready for Hillary acting on Hillary's behalf.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #72

And like I said, if a union whose membership overwhelmingly supported Bernie, which had built up a DanTex Jul 2015 #83

But the timing only makes sense because Bernie was rising in the polls virtualobserver Jul 2015 #92

Or maybe the timing made just made political sense. DanTex Jul 2015 #96

If she is worried about being weakened by a candidate who never attacks her.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #114

I believe "Priorities USA Action" is the PAC she's employed by, but you're otherwise spot-on arcane1 Jul 2015 #116

you are right, she only donated to RFH, thanks for the correction virtualobserver Jul 2015 #124

It also makes sense for a teacher's union president to be on the board of a PAC DanTex Jul 2015 #122

Correct. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #51

Thank you. arcane1 Jul 2015 #70

I have avoided- ruffburr Jul 2015 #31

That s exactly how I feel. glinda Jul 2015 #38

+1000 heaven05 Jul 2015 #62

Banned from Sanders post for saying less uwep Jul 2015 #86

Thank you! wendylaroux Jul 2015 #94

Yes, but ... Cosmocat Jul 2015 #160

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #33

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #60

Awwww... what a shame. Number23 Jul 2015 #151

I love when trolls post this shit. zappaman Jul 2015 #34

I Miss Hannah bell on threads like those. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #57

Oh, he drops by now and again. zappaman Jul 2015 #77

As others have said, there's no reason mythology Jul 2015 #35

if AFT members choose to take issue with their union's endorsement ibegurpard Jul 2015 #36

And you know the fb posters to be AFT member, how? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #49

I do not ibegurpard Jul 2015 #54

So you are just believing them? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #55

Not necessarily ibegurpard Jul 2015 #61

Nah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #73

we shall see ibegurpard Jul 2015 #75

Yes, it should be interesting to watch ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #82

I am a little confused about what the CT is, but one thing for sure is if anyone randys1 Jul 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author BooScout Jul 2015 #56

I am a Hillary supporter and, BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #40

I like you nt artislife Jul 2015 #47

Thank you. lovemydog Jul 2015 #53

I truly believe that most DUers BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #166

I think so too. lovemydog Jul 2015 #173

What is also sad.... BooScout Jul 2015 #42

Well, you certainly convinced me, you silver-tongued devil, you. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #43

The title of this thread is not appropriate. Agschmid Jul 2015 #44

Bernista? winter is coming Jul 2015 #50

Your title is what makes this site suck nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #52

I have a question silenttigersong Jul 2015 #58

I totally understand how the teachers feel. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #64

"Bernistas"? arcane1 Jul 2015 #65

Here is this "Bernista's" post of facts, not theory. You may call me anything you wish. madfloridian Jul 2015 #67

BA in early education MA in special ed k through 12 here Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #88

Oh, madfloridian... Maedhros Jul 2015 #89

.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #90

Oh ya... SoapBox Jul 2015 #71

Oh, in the post I linked above I forgot the link Teacher Union Reform Network, Broad's baby. madfloridian Jul 2015 #74

I love this time of year ... so easy to figure out who to put on Ignore ... Myrina Jul 2015 #80

Please call us Sandanistas HassleCat Jul 2015 #81

Bernistas... Ino Jul 2015 #161

Or alternately, the union leadership stepped over the membership. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #85

As you noted, the sample size in the poll was plenty big enough. DanTex Jul 2015 #91

Unions, 2 especially, are being used to get school reform done. madfloridian Jul 2015 #93

OK. The relevance about this to the theory that the endorsement was cooked is what exactly? DanTex Jul 2015 #98

They are finally catching on. They are catching on to ed reform tactics also. madfloridian Jul 2015 #101

OK. I don't know much about school reform. DanTex Jul 2015 #103

There's no love lost between Campbell and Randi, I gather. madfloridian Jul 2015 #107

For a poll, yes. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #102

Very few democratic institutions make policy based on referendum. DanTex Jul 2015 #104

Well, you can count me out of your conclusion Scootaloo Jul 2015 #108

OK, but there's a currently a 60-rec OP calling the endorsement "apparently-cooked". DanTex Jul 2015 #111

And you've recced all the threads accusing Sanders of sounding just like the NRA Scootaloo Jul 2015 #118

. arcane1 Jul 2015 #120

That's because he did sound just like the NRA when defending his vote on gun industry immunity. DanTex Jul 2015 #121

No, he didn't sound anything like the NRA. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #123

Yes, he did. For example, the inane "baseball bat" analogy. He also tried to blame the gun violence DanTex Jul 2015 #125

Do you need me to build one for you? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #126

How about you demonstrate by example. Show me the love you have for Hillary and her supporters. DanTex Jul 2015 #129

I don't have any. I also don't start threads shitbagging them, though. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #130

Oh, I see. What you're really looking for is a one-way bridge. DanTex Jul 2015 #131

You can't get your boxers in a bunch that people do the exact same thing you do. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #133

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. DanTex Jul 2015 #135

Now going the 'conspiracy' route? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #100

No, I think Hillary is the better candidate. DanTex Jul 2015 #106

That's not what you said last week AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #109

All things being equal I prefer Sanders. But all things are not equal. So I prefer Hillary. DanTex Jul 2015 #112

Isn't the crux of your argument a belief that Sanders "can't win the general"? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #134

Yes. DanTex Jul 2015 #136

Do you believe Democrats will not vote for him? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #139

corporate conservadems will not vote for Bernie ibegurpard Jul 2015 #141

I think he'll lose too many independents/moderates. DanTex Jul 2015 #142

"Because socialism" is not a very well-thought answer. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #143

It's accurate though. DanTex Jul 2015 #145

No, it's really not Scootaloo Jul 2015 #147

I think the "very strange argument" is the one that claims that a self-proclaimed socialist DanTex Jul 2015 #148

Where will all these independent/moderates be in the primaries? RichVRichV Jul 2015 #153

They will not be voting in the primary because they are not Democrats. DanTex Jul 2015 #155

He would mop the floor with independents AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #164

"No, I think Hillary is the better candidate" "I prefer Sanders" AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #163

Are Hillarybots enemies of the Bernistas? Cleita Jul 2015 #105

Some people can't accept that a reasonable liberal can support Hillary. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #127

This is the answer. They think it's simply impossible for anyone to support her unless there's DanTex Jul 2015 #128

Read my link again. The connections are real. madfloridian Jul 2015 #132

They know the links are real ibegurpard Jul 2015 #140

Sanders said he's not a liberal... I'm not surprised liberals wouldn't be attracted to him uponit7771 Jul 2015 #150

I really don't care if others want to screw themselves, mmonk Jul 2015 #144

This feels like deja vu all over again. Vinca Jul 2015 #146

Says the daily perveyor of anti-Sanders conspiracy theories AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #165