The Republican Presidential and Vice Presidential Nominees for 2016 wil be.....

[karynnj]

21. true, but that was due to post 2004 actions

You would need to consider both a better John Edwards. The point is that there was a time when he had more support on Daily Kos and here than either Obama or Clinton. In addition, as said, he was given more support by the media as one of the 3 top tier candidates - something not accorded to the most accomplished Biden, Dodd and Richardson.

I think that Ryan fails because he is Ryan and he is too extreme. I suspect that as 2016 will likely be an open election on both sides, that this is not a year when the Republicans will cede the nomination to someone seen as unelectable. At this point, I think Ryan unelectable. Strangely, the Republicans who are becoming continuously more extreme will likely for the THIRD time go with someone seen as the more moderate establishment candidate.