2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: What would re-establish trust here? [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)when there was no difference whatsoever between Bernie on Hillary on choice and contraception access.
And the repeated claim(a slur Bernie's repeated adjustment of his message should have put to rest)that Bernie cared ONLY about economic justice and was indifferent to the continued need to fight institutional bigotry was as bad as anything ever said about Hillary If some people didn't want to support the guy that was their call, but he clearly proved he was as antiracist as anybody and there was no reason to keep bashing him on that after Super Tuesday. Hillary probably would have taken the majority of the AA vote no matter simply because she had been planning to run a lot longer than he had, had spent eight years networking with that community-Bernie didn't know he would have to run until Elizabeth Warren ruled herself out. He never deserved to be accused of not trying to get AA votes or of running a whites-only campaign(or even of getting nothing BUT white votes-Bernie tied Hillary among AA voters 30 and under).
Had it not been for the relentlessness of the attacks on that, the angrier responses on the Sanders side, the worst of which I spent months condemning and alerting on, would never have happened.
But Bernie isn't going to run again...can't you just leave your anger aimed at him and let go of it regarding his supporters.
It would have been a tragedy if his campaign hadn't happened because nothing he fought for would ever have been addressed. And we would likely have lost the popular vote.
You can't expect all Sanders supporters to apologize for ever supporting the guy, expect them to agree the Sanders campaign should never have happened and that Hillary was entitled to nomination without any challenge, and treat them all as the enemy until they do. In the primary, there was no one else who spoke to what they cared about.
And the issues that stopped Hillary short of an Electoral College victory were not related to anything Bernie did or said. The emails would have had the exact same effect if Hillary had been nominated by acclimation, so would the language on trade(and in my attempts to persuade people to vote for her in the fall, trade was the issue raised to me more than anything else, with the view-a view I actually disagree with-that she was too confrontational with Russia being a close second.
My purpose in starting this thread was to find some common ground. We need all the Clinton supporters AND all the Sanders supporters uniting behind whoever we nominate next if we're to have any chance of improving things. I get it that you dislike me, but can you at least give me the benefit of the doubt that my intent here is positive?
I don't defend the 'bros.
What I want is to turn non-voters into voters and people who voted third-party this year into Dem presidential voters next time. NOT to refight the primaries. Neither Bernie nor Hillary is ever going to run for the presidency again. We all need to let the rivalry on that move into the past.