2016 Postmortem

oberliner

(58,724 posts) Thu Aug 4, 2016, 11:05 PM Aug 2016

What do you think the race would look like right now if it wasn't Trump? [View all]

Let's say they had someone like Kasich or Marco or Jeb.

What do you folks think? Would we still have a nice lead?

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What do you think the race would look like right now if it wasn't Trump? [View all] oberliner Aug 2016 OP

With the beating that Hillary's taking, I suspect Kasich could wipe the floor with her. TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #1

Yes, he'd likely be the toughest against her. elleng Aug 2016 #2

I'm crossing my fingers and saying little prayers that... TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #7

Interesting trixie Aug 2016 #27

This was mentioned on Charlie Rose last night, but all moonscape Aug 2016 #40

Trump supporters aren't voting FOR something... LAS14 Aug 2016 #98

Hard to believe they passed on a Ohio Gov. as a nominee but #Awesome. TeamPooka Aug 2016 #178

He wasn't the most inspiring campaigner oberliner Aug 2016 #4

True, but they are less keen on Hillary, and don't fear him. TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #10

True - they sure do hate Hillary oberliner Aug 2016 #15

Kasich came in 4th place. KMOD Aug 2016 #9

If he sneaks in, I hope you're right. TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #12

He's not sneaking in. KMOD Aug 2016 #17

This JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #101

Perhaps - but let's not forget that the all-Trump all-the-time primary coverage left the other EffieBlack Aug 2016 #22

Yes. Unvetted candidates often seem better than vetted candidates. Till the covers come off. Squinch Aug 2016 #70

"The Trump Effect"... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #161

And the media air brushed some pants onto him. Squinch Aug 2016 #175

Virtual chameleon pants... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #179

On another note: Squinch Aug 2016 #182

. TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #188

What beating is that? She's ahead 15 points nationally and ahead in most states. What are you Squinch Aug 2016 #59

Now that my post has been unhidden, I can say that I did not mean an electoral beating... TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #190

Hillary is taking a beating? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #62

Reality is hard for some people. Squinch Aug 2016 #63

Right. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #74

It screws with their plans for that "I told you so" moment. Which was never in the cards anyway. Squinch Aug 2016 #75

Exactly right Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #79

There needs to be a new term for the vetting she has gone through. Not only Squinch Aug 2016 #82

What else can they say? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #85

All the super mega vetting might have innoculated her against that. Which is interesting. And Squinch Aug 2016 #86

They will no doubt. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #95

That is a good point. This hypothetical nonesense serves no pupose except to perhaps still_one Aug 2016 #154

Now that my post has been unhidded, I can reply that I did not mean an electoral beating... TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #191

Fair enough. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #196

What universe are you living in? Hillary is way ahead. redstateblues Aug 2016 #89

Now that my post has been unhidden, I can reply that I did not mean an electoral beating... TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #192

Really? citood Aug 2016 #207

Yes. KMOD Aug 2016 #3

I'm not sure the Trump people would've gotten behind a "normal" Republican oberliner Aug 2016 #5

The majority of that party has turned batshit crazy. KMOD Aug 2016 #14

Narco Rubio would be an easy target due to the sleaze factor; Kasich would be difficult. forest444 Aug 2016 #6

Kasich was such a dud in the primaries though oberliner Aug 2016 #11

Good point. forest444 Aug 2016 #18

I live in Ohio Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #67

honestly, i think obama won this for hillary a long time ago. unblock Aug 2016 #8

Obama's popularity is a huge plus for Hillary oberliner Aug 2016 #13

Hillary Clinton has high unfavorable ratings for the simple fact that she is a woman. KMOD Aug 2016 #20

I respectfully disagree oberliner Aug 2016 #29

Of course there is some of that. KMOD Aug 2016 #36

Absolutely oberliner Aug 2016 #55

... runaway hero Aug 2016 #108

Not difficult. Some people do not like women. Hillary would still win either way. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #143

The whole country is not sexist. runaway hero Aug 2016 #147

I would argue that it's for the simple fact that she's a Clinton Blasphemer Aug 2016 #177

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #180

I always thought Kasich would be their strongest candidate esp. with his Ohio support. George Eliot Aug 2016 #16

I don't know where you've heard that. KMOD Aug 2016 #21

Thank you EffieBlack Aug 2016 #24

Why so quick to take offense? I agree but most people just see the public persona. That's my point. George Eliot Aug 2016 #123

He came in 4th place behind Rubio who had dropped out. KMOD Aug 2016 #124

Of course. Look at the # of candidates. He was establishment. Both JK & HRC are establishment. George Eliot Aug 2016 #145

Who freaking cares about your hypothetical race between KMOD Aug 2016 #158

Hey, you didn't have to join the conversation. I opined to OP and you interjected so get over it. George Eliot Aug 2016 #173

thank you! nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #125

He's a extreme conservative pretending to be a moderate. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #38

The trust worthy thing goes away As soon as the mud gets flung, sanders and kasock were never vetted bettyellen Aug 2016 #144

He was the only one who I thought could beat Hillary had he won... cynatnite Aug 2016 #151

Shit no! cheapdate Aug 2016 #19

Only Kasich could, maybe would, beat her GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #23

His record is not all that impressive EffieBlack Aug 2016 #25

but people don't look at records and he comes off a lot better and likable than Trump JI7 Aug 2016 #28

That's because he's not running and hasn't gotten any scrutiny EffieBlack Aug 2016 #34

i don't trust the media . i remember how it was with W Bush . even now it's not the media JI7 Aug 2016 #35

If he was the presidential candidate Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #76

yet he was reelected in ohio. And trumps or Bush's record are not bEing examined JI7 Aug 2016 #142

Do you know anything about the Ohio election? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #146

people don't care about issues and media dOesn't report in issues JI7 Aug 2016 #157

People do care about certain issues. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #163

those people already know who they will vote for JI7 Aug 2016 #164

Most years. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #166

I think there are conflicted people on the right and the left. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #189

I do not like the SOB GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #30

I wouldn't be surprised if Kasich was leading her. Both Rubio and Jeb are Overrated so i think she JI7 Aug 2016 #26

Did you know that Kasich Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #78

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #181

Pence is less sneaky and has destroyed the economy for sure. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #183

Kasich is really really bad on planned parenthood and abortion rights. He defunded PP Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #204

Within a couple points.. MFM008 Aug 2016 #31

I say it's moot. rusty quoin Aug 2016 #32

Hillary would turn Kasich into another Rick Lasio. grossproffit Aug 2016 #33

A smaller version of the same thing. sofa king Aug 2016 #37

Kasich or Rubio would be winning. runaway hero Aug 2016 #39

Oh, bullshit. KMOD Aug 2016 #41

How is it Bullshit? lancer78 Aug 2016 #44

You had a woman boss, so sexism is not really a factor. Kay. Squinch Aug 2016 #83

Her negatives are improving...doesn't that make you happy? I know great news!!! Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #87

It actually does because i really think HRC would be a good POTUS n/t lancer78 Aug 2016 #150

We can agree to agree. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #167

Exactly. runaway hero Aug 2016 #105

And it has not worked Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #126

Yep, just like this OP. The primaries are over and these "what ifs" are bullshit. grossproffit Aug 2016 #45

Upthread they threw out the statement "Hillary is taking a beating" when she is miles Squinch Aug 2016 #61

LOL, being ahead by 15 points is taking a beating! FSogol Aug 2016 #71

Well... it's Hillary. 15 points ahead is just not good enough! She has to do better if she is Squinch Aug 2016 #73

I saw that ...very very annoying. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #88

Nonsense Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #80

The GOP did not have a candidate Expecting Rain Aug 2016 #42

The mood of the Republican electorate was to find a Red Meat Candidate. Cruz would mount a better Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author auntpurl Aug 2016 #46

Huh? oberliner Aug 2016 #50

Well, I apologise if that was not your intention. auntpurl Aug 2016 #57

Thanks oberliner Aug 2016 #58

I agree with you...sneaky attack. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #81

Thank you RandiFan1290 Aug 2016 #54

Seriously? oberliner Aug 2016 #56

A little tighter. Bored Rs would show up to vote, where bored Ds would not show. Festivito Aug 2016 #47

But the Trump-ians might not rally behind a boring Republican oberliner Aug 2016 #53

Right, Trumpians would not, but regular Rs would still vote. Festivito Aug 2016 #132

That is not true and an attack on Democrats. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #127

It's an opinion. And, no it's not an attack on Democrats. Festivito Aug 2016 #134

Saying Democrats get bored and don't vote is unfair and untrue in my opinion. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #149

Why is it then that Ds do not come out to vote in non-presidential elections? Festivito Aug 2016 #176

I think much of that has to do with the fringe Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #184

Not calling something what it is might lead to ignoring a problem that could be solved. Festivito Aug 2016 #185

I am referring to those on the left who trashed Obama in 12 and 14 Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #187

No Republican could beat a Dem on the presidential level as of now... Cali_Democrat Aug 2016 #48

That is a pretty good place to be oberliner Aug 2016 #52

All of them would be losing but not as bad as Trump LostOne4Ever Aug 2016 #49

This may be true oberliner Aug 2016 #51

Why does it matter? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #60

I just thought it was an interesting question to contemplate oberliner Aug 2016 #65

After this election it will be that way for a long time. I think people are so horrified by Trump Squinch Aug 2016 #68

Romneyshambles 2.0 eShirl Aug 2016 #64

Against a normal Repub, two man race - Hillary 51 Normal Repub 49 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #66

I absolutely do not agree with this statement. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #90

OMFG... LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #69

This thread: FSogol Aug 2016 #72

You dropped in just to post that? oberliner Aug 2016 #77

Now that is true. We have an advantage built in Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #91

Agreed oberliner Aug 2016 #117

It would be a LOT closer... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #162

One would be winning... Mike Nelson Aug 2016 #84

Total nonsense. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #93

I was just giving my... Mike Nelson Aug 2016 #97

thanks...I may be a bit touchy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #100

Clinton would be beating Jeb, would be neck and neck with Little Marco geek tragedy Aug 2016 #92

Kasich would not win a general... he is way to extreme. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #94

if George W Bush could pull off being a fake moderate, anyone can geek tragedy Aug 2016 #96

That is not true. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #99

Ohio elected kasich many times. JI7 Aug 2016 #102

Twice Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #110

he still won including the pres primary in his state which rubio did not do JI7 Aug 2016 #140

Hillary did well too. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #148

i said Hillary is dOing better than Sanders would. you are arguing things which i have not said JI7 Aug 2016 #156

I am not talking about Sanders. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #165

I'm not disagreeing with you on how terrible Kasich is. Not disputing any of that. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #104

yup. i also think Sanders would not be doing nearly as well as Clinton JI7 Aug 2016 #106

it's very hard to say, Republicans never geek tragedy Aug 2016 #107

The OP did not mean this to bash Clinton oberliner Aug 2016 #114

Funny stuff...and I do think that is exactly what the OP meant too. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #128

In a primary...they would not care. In fact it might help him. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #111

Sounds like the topic of a recent GOP mastabatory fantasy ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #103

Not sure about that oberliner Aug 2016 #116

It's a way from some to claim that ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #118

Trump is invigorating the "base" (such as it is) moreso than Kasich or Jeb would've oberliner Aug 2016 #121

True that. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #129

Jeb was probably their best candidate, but the country has had enough of the Bush family. B Calm Aug 2016 #109

And I hate to agree with Trump PatSeg Aug 2016 #112

Jeb ss a horrible candidate. he always liked like he hated being there JI7 Aug 2016 #160

Jeb was a big disappointment as a candidate for the GOP. Chemisse Aug 2016 #172

The Trump or Busters would fracture support for any replacement GOP candidate going forward Haveadream Aug 2016 #113

Agreed oberliner Aug 2016 #115

Kasich or Jebby workinclasszero Aug 2016 #119

People on DU runaway hero Aug 2016 #120

Intensity of hate does not equal the number of people who feel that way Haveadream Aug 2016 #122

Well what an interesting opinion. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #130

Which is why she lost the nomination. Oh wait...she won. grossproffit Aug 2016 #138

People who talk about how much Hillary is disliked don't seem to get that the polls and Squinch Aug 2016 #139

Thanks for your concern! wildeyed Aug 2016 #168

I don't think Hillary would be doing nearly as well democrattotheend Aug 2016 #131

Kasich would have been harder to beat. wildeyed Aug 2016 #133

Cruz would be the nominee. bananakabob Aug 2016 #135

Speculative. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #136

I think Kasich could beat her because he does not helpisontheway Aug 2016 #137

Kasich would be vetted. He has real problems with the abortion issue and deffunded Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #205

It probably would be a much closer race just because no other candidate Vinca Aug 2016 #141

The email (non)scandal hurt her badly. Chemisse Aug 2016 #152

I don't think so. The email was rightie bullshit. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #169

Yes it was indeed right-wing bullshit - from start to finish (if that ever happens). Chemisse Aug 2016 #171

Not really she is doing well Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #202

I think the media has it in for Trump except of course for faux randr Aug 2016 #153

You don't think perhaps that Trump's screwy comments is why he is in the news? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #200

You are right and he keeps upping the ante to guarantee coverage randr Aug 2016 #208

The men behind the curtain would acknowledge... Brother Buzz Aug 2016 #155

Exactly the same! Uben Aug 2016 #159

She would crush them. ithinkmyliverhurts Aug 2016 #170

With Kasich, he may have started ahead mvd Aug 2016 #174

It would definitely be closer. I don't know how anyone could think otherwise. Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #186

Because we like Hillary and think she is a good candidate...those Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #198

I like Hillary too. It's the reason I'll be voting for her. That said... Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #201

47% Republican minus those whose lives improved... sofa king Aug 2016 #193

On the day Hillary is sworn in, we'll STILL have Sanders people here saying alcibiades_mystery Aug 2016 #194

I have 2 answers. Exilednight Aug 2016 #195

This back again I see. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #197

Why respond again? oberliner Aug 2016 #199

Yes, my comment was reasonable too. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #206

Probably closer bigwillq Aug 2016 #203