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In reply to the discussion: Best show this morning is Joy Reid. Covers it ALL! [View all]emulatorloo
(44,257 posts)8. Yes, I did watch MSNBC this week. I have a different take on it than you do.
- Maddow on Bill Clinton:
Most every panelist pushed back on her bizarre interpretation, including Steve Schmidt. Exception was unrepentant Bushbot Nicolle Wallace, who attempted to exploit Maddow's weirdness. I found Rachel's reaction to be weird, uncharacteristic of her usual thoughtful analysis, but I am not gonna throw her under the bus for one uncharacteristic statement vs the body of her work.
- O'Donnell 'snotty level':
I will say that O'Donnell has relentlessly pushed back on Trump since the day Trump announced. I very much enjoyed his fact checking of Trump's convention speech.
As to Hayes, he said plenty on Matthew's panels that were on after each nights convention coverage. Same when he held the anchor desk now and again during daytime.
- interviews with Bernie or Bust delegates:
This is what I saw. Seems some producer had the idea that they would interview three Sanders delegates after Bernie's speech at the start of the convention, and then re-interview them at the end. With the idea that they would be able to show a transformation from their initial position to a conversion to supporting HRC at the end.
So they wanted to tell a conversion story. The best laid plans of mice and men.
I'd say the majority of Sanders delegates did get on board w HRC. Witness how few Bernie or Bust neon green t-shirts there were at the end.
IMHO they made a mistake choosing those three. But if anything those three came of as ill-informed about Bernie!
And you may have noticed there was no end of convention follow-up.
I will point to another interview. Forget the name of the male reporter w the glasses. Apparently the majority of delegates were enthusiastically going wild over HRC's acceptance speech. He interviewed one of the sanders delegates, but as soon as she started into Buster rhetoric he cut the interview short.
I think it is also incorrect to say that they did not interview HRC or Sanders delgates (as opposed to the stein/Buster delgates. I saw many great interviews w both HRC delegates and Sanders delegates who where very fired up and ready to go to elect a Democratic President.
- Chuck Todd as 'official spokesperson of RNC'
I can't stand Chuck Todd. That being said Todd gave a lot of positive feedback on many of the speeches. He compared and contrasted Dem convention and GOP convention and the comparisons were accurate. Goper's negative and incoherent. Dems positive and coherent.
Will also note his facial expressions re Rachel's odd reactions to Bill's speech. Face said 'I think this is nuts.' Then he calmly refuted her.
- Chris Matthews 'off his meds'
Gave tons of airtime and constant praise to Joy Reid during his panels.
Was like a kid on Christmas Day when reporting from the convention floor. He's a Tip O'Neill democrat. He's a JFK idealist, his service in the Peace Corp is s testiment to that. He's a political junkie like you and me. He had some problems with Bill Clinton during his admin. Trust me, he's not the only Democrat who did. He also understands that Hillary is not Bill, and has heaped plenty of praise on her.
He's been angry at Trump ever since Trump became birther in chief. He found any attempt to paint Obama as 'alien' as 'the other' and his presidency as 'illegitament'.
Yes he was erratic sometimes. I think there is some truth in the notion that he was 'off his meds' in a way.
He is a type II diabetic. I am a type II diabetic.
The schedule all of these personalities was brutal. His panel discussion show started at 2 AM.
I will tell you that I have mood swings if my sugars are low or high. I will tell you if my sugars are too low, I've become incoherent. I will tell you that my sugars swing wildly if I am overworked, overstressed, lacking adequate sleep. I will tell you that if I am on a deadline or away from home at an intense conference it can be very very difficult to eat right and care for my health.
- Brian Williams
You didn't mention Williams but I am gonna share my opinion of him.
He's harmless. He loves the sound of his own voice, and continuously bloviates about nothing. I've always thought he was empty headed, he continues to reinforce my opinion.
We know why he's on MSNBC. Face saving measure by NBC.
In my humble opinion, convention coverage and election coverage was much much better when Matthews and Maddow co-anchored. Those two had excellent chemistry and coverage was much more exciting. Williams in my mind contributes nothing.
---------------
Now here is my main complaint about MSNBC coverage.
This comes back to my initial statement about the misguided attempt to counter charges of bias.
Too damn many Republican commentators.
Schmidt and Michael Steele do contribute much to the discussion. They are rational, they are connected to reality. Yes they spin for GOP occasionally, but both of them have what I call a 'truth mode' where they can praise Dems and where they can be frank about the disasterous nature of the GOP.
Wallace is an unrepentant Bush/Palin flack. She has no substance to her. Same with Hewett. IMHO they need to go.
I will note that Schmidt pushes back on Wallace's bullshit when she goes too far.
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Thanks for hearing me out. That's my take on MSNBC, and of course YMMV.
Most every panelist pushed back on her bizarre interpretation, including Steve Schmidt. Exception was unrepentant Bushbot Nicolle Wallace, who attempted to exploit Maddow's weirdness. I found Rachel's reaction to be weird, uncharacteristic of her usual thoughtful analysis, but I am not gonna throw her under the bus for one uncharacteristic statement vs the body of her work.
- O'Donnell 'snotty level':
I will say that O'Donnell has relentlessly pushed back on Trump since the day Trump announced. I very much enjoyed his fact checking of Trump's convention speech.
As to Hayes, he said plenty on Matthew's panels that were on after each nights convention coverage. Same when he held the anchor desk now and again during daytime.
- interviews with Bernie or Bust delegates:
This is what I saw. Seems some producer had the idea that they would interview three Sanders delegates after Bernie's speech at the start of the convention, and then re-interview them at the end. With the idea that they would be able to show a transformation from their initial position to a conversion to supporting HRC at the end.
So they wanted to tell a conversion story. The best laid plans of mice and men.
I'd say the majority of Sanders delegates did get on board w HRC. Witness how few Bernie or Bust neon green t-shirts there were at the end.
IMHO they made a mistake choosing those three. But if anything those three came of as ill-informed about Bernie!
And you may have noticed there was no end of convention follow-up.
I will point to another interview. Forget the name of the male reporter w the glasses. Apparently the majority of delegates were enthusiastically going wild over HRC's acceptance speech. He interviewed one of the sanders delegates, but as soon as she started into Buster rhetoric he cut the interview short.
I think it is also incorrect to say that they did not interview HRC or Sanders delgates (as opposed to the stein/Buster delgates. I saw many great interviews w both HRC delegates and Sanders delegates who where very fired up and ready to go to elect a Democratic President.
- Chuck Todd as 'official spokesperson of RNC'
I can't stand Chuck Todd. That being said Todd gave a lot of positive feedback on many of the speeches. He compared and contrasted Dem convention and GOP convention and the comparisons were accurate. Goper's negative and incoherent. Dems positive and coherent.
Will also note his facial expressions re Rachel's odd reactions to Bill's speech. Face said 'I think this is nuts.' Then he calmly refuted her.
- Chris Matthews 'off his meds'
Gave tons of airtime and constant praise to Joy Reid during his panels.
Was like a kid on Christmas Day when reporting from the convention floor. He's a Tip O'Neill democrat. He's a JFK idealist, his service in the Peace Corp is s testiment to that. He's a political junkie like you and me. He had some problems with Bill Clinton during his admin. Trust me, he's not the only Democrat who did. He also understands that Hillary is not Bill, and has heaped plenty of praise on her.
He's been angry at Trump ever since Trump became birther in chief. He found any attempt to paint Obama as 'alien' as 'the other' and his presidency as 'illegitament'.
Yes he was erratic sometimes. I think there is some truth in the notion that he was 'off his meds' in a way.
He is a type II diabetic. I am a type II diabetic.
The schedule all of these personalities was brutal. His panel discussion show started at 2 AM.
I will tell you that I have mood swings if my sugars are low or high. I will tell you if my sugars are too low, I've become incoherent. I will tell you that my sugars swing wildly if I am overworked, overstressed, lacking adequate sleep. I will tell you that if I am on a deadline or away from home at an intense conference it can be very very difficult to eat right and care for my health.
- Brian Williams
You didn't mention Williams but I am gonna share my opinion of him.
He's harmless. He loves the sound of his own voice, and continuously bloviates about nothing. I've always thought he was empty headed, he continues to reinforce my opinion.
We know why he's on MSNBC. Face saving measure by NBC.
In my humble opinion, convention coverage and election coverage was much much better when Matthews and Maddow co-anchored. Those two had excellent chemistry and coverage was much more exciting. Williams in my mind contributes nothing.
---------------
Now here is my main complaint about MSNBC coverage.
This comes back to my initial statement about the misguided attempt to counter charges of bias.
Too damn many Republican commentators.
Schmidt and Michael Steele do contribute much to the discussion. They are rational, they are connected to reality. Yes they spin for GOP occasionally, but both of them have what I call a 'truth mode' where they can praise Dems and where they can be frank about the disasterous nature of the GOP.
Wallace is an unrepentant Bush/Palin flack. She has no substance to her. Same with Hewett. IMHO they need to go.
I will note that Schmidt pushes back on Wallace's bullshit when she goes too far.
----------------
Thanks for hearing me out. That's my take on MSNBC, and of course YMMV.
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Yes, I did watch MSNBC this week. I have a different take on it than you do.
emulatorloo
Jul 2016
#8
Pretty sensitive to pointless Clinton enmity, so I totally get what you are saying
emulatorloo
Jul 2016
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