2016 Postmortem

Cha

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89. It's hilarious .. It seems like some don't mind Hillary being called all kinds

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:43 AM

Jul 2016

of names now object to her being called a "girl" by her husband who was talking about her back in 1971!

There's a post on it here..

The irony of poutrage about the use of the term girl

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028051819

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Bill Clinton was speaking to middle-aged white guys like me, that's why Rachel doesn't get it [View all] scheming daemons Jul 2016 OP

I agree Bill is there to rope in white men. nt TeamPooka Jul 2016 #1

It was incredibly humanizing Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #2

That's what I though too. workinclasszero Jul 2016 #41

Rachel is not a millennial lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #3

Sorry, you are correct. The point still stands. scheming daemons Jul 2016 #4

You're right , NYFlip Jul 2016 #9

Great post bravenak Jul 2016 #5

Joy Reid just said the same thing on MSNBC. cyberswede Jul 2016 #6

Same thing as the OP or as Rachel? pnwmom Jul 2016 #37

Sorry...same thing as the OP cyberswede Jul 2016 #39

As the OP, that it was aimed at men... seeing it from a guys perspective a "girl" who didn't uponit7771 Jul 2016 #42

Agreed. He was aiming for the white baby boomers... cynatnite Jul 2016 #7

He called her a girl because he was speaking of his real time impressions and experience EffieBlack Jul 2016 #16

You said it better than I did. n/t cynatnite Jul 2016 #19

When calling her a girl, he probably meant it as term of endearment dem in texas Jul 2016 #27

She was a girl in college already showing the fabulous woman Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #87

This. If Hillary was telling the same story, she would have said 'This boy wouldn't stop trying to.. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author The empressof all Jul 2016 #8

When I was in my early 20's, I was still referring to women my age as "girls" bluestateguy Jul 2016 #10

Well I beg to differ slightly. My sons are 28 and 30 and they still say, "I met a girl" MichiganVote Jul 2016 #11

Millennial women call men "kids" until they're damn 30 alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #26

Yeah, its just a thing in our culture. All these things pass. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #28

Thank you! Tatiana Jul 2016 #12

A seasoned, wise, adult tv talking head should be able to do a gut check, and silently admit Ninga Jul 2016 #13

I'm a woman in the same age bracket at the Clintons and I thought Bill's procon Jul 2016 #14

Utter nonsense. Bill spent much time relating to the achievements of women like his wife. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #15

I'm sorry you disagree.... but Rachel is completely tone-deaf about this speech and its impact scheming daemons Jul 2016 #18

I'm not sure that posters on this thread understand that Rachel was discretely describing that Trust Buster Jul 2016 #22

Anybody who has been married 40+ years has had rough patches in their marriages scheming daemons Jul 2016 #25

Agreed Dem2 Jul 2016 #31

People need to get past all that. Yeah, he was a screw up at one time in that regard..blah,blah MichiganVote Jul 2016 #32

Which I disagree with her even going there, those two are STILL together. Chuck Todd pointed that uponit7771 Jul 2016 #38

I was shocked by both Rachel and Todd's comments... Spazito Jul 2016 #92

She wasn't "discretely describing." She was deliberately trying to paint a negative picture pnwmom Jul 2016 #43

It was a bit creepy at first. That was Rachel's only point. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #53

The vast majority of reactions I've seen have been positive. Few people other than you and Rachel pnwmom Jul 2016 #55

His fond eyes have wandered quite a bit. You can disagree with Rachel and myself but it was a bit Trust Buster Jul 2016 #57

In your opinion it was awkward. Most Dems thought otherwise. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #58

Agree .... My husband and myself are Kathy M Jul 2016 #56

the she was way out line Skittles Jul 2016 #69

Those are the people who elected him, too AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #17

My apolitical gaming buddy who in many ways is standard issue white working class male forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #30

Spot on! It was a nostalgic speech about an earlier time. He was PERFECT. Also, we still say RBInMaine Jul 2016 #20

I love your take on Bill's speech. Thanks for saying that. Hekate Jul 2016 #21

I don't know where she was going with that. LisaM Jul 2016 #23

Nicole Wallce said - and Maddow agreed - that Bill talking about their early stopbush Jul 2016 #44

Well saId. ^ world wide wally Jul 2016 #54

I whole heartedly agree! 4lbs Jul 2016 #59

Rachel, nose in the air, Maddow is so above us. onehandle Jul 2016 #24

I could relate and the language was right for people who grew up when we did Dem2 Jul 2016 #29

Rachel loves to be awful in her own damn ways. Zynx Jul 2016 #33

+1 !!!!!!! "... who didn't NEED a man. ... " uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

Well, this speech roped in mature WOMEN, too. Not just the men! pnwmom Jul 2016 #36

You and me both. I'm a 57 yo white guy and what Bill said PatrickforO Jul 2016 #40

And he also referred to himself as a boy. So Rachel was just looking for something pnwmom Jul 2016 #45

YES. His speech and the others today totally turned me around on Hillary. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #47

+1, I think that's the one word she missed in the whole thing and then she got hung on the verbiage uponit7771 Jul 2016 #51

That's funny to me, rusty quoin Jul 2016 #63

The pundits want to whistle the Clintons out-of-bounds BootinUp Jul 2016 #46

Meh...There are some of us who still harbor strong negative feelings towards him The empressof all Jul 2016 #48

"some of us will never get the Bill Clinton adoration" scheming daemons Jul 2016 #49

Enjoy the Bromance The empressof all Jul 2016 #50

hey! chillfactor Jul 2016 #52

+100 Lady_Chat Jul 2016 #66

It wasn't lost on me that he was directing his remarks to white men. Strategically it's brilliant... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #60

Yup, I got it too. Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #61

Chris Matthews explained it to her. Chicago1980 Jul 2016 #62

I noticed as soon as Rachel and Brian came on that she was in a horrible mood. I kept Upthevibe Jul 2016 #65

KICK! Cha Jul 2016 #64

No! Its sexist shit. Yale Law School students aren't "girls". That's bullshit riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #67

You're 100% off base scheming daemons Jul 2016 #70

No. As a proud feminist, you don't get to choose those labels for me. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #72

And you don't get to choose the labels that a married couple use for each other at stages of life scheming daemons Jul 2016 #74

Oh they are completely sexist. You are oblivious to feminist scholarship riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #76

Hillary would apparently disagree with you scheming daemons Jul 2016 #77

Precisely making the point. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #78

The point that a proud feminist who just became a Presidential nominee sees it differently than you? scheming daemons Jul 2016 #80

Words matter. Especially in the girl/woman verbiage in modern feminism riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #81

Why doesn't the proud feminist who just became our nominee see it the same way as you? scheming daemons Jul 2016 #90

It's hilarious .. It seems like some don't mind Hillary being called all kinds Cha Jul 2016 #89

You aren't a feminist. phleshdef Jul 2016 #94

I thought this speech was very relatable. It brought back a lot of memories of my college Tess49 Jul 2016 #68

And he finished with appealing to seniors ffr Jul 2016 #71

I'm a 35 year old brown dude.... Seahawks Jul 2016 #73

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #75

It's super annoying to have the play by play pundits chime in immediately after the speech... Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #79

I thought it was sweet... JSup Jul 2016 #82

I think you have to be an older woman to appreciate what "girl" means and when it is bad. Vinca Jul 2016 #83

He was there to humanize Hillary and it worked! Doni085 Jul 2016 #84

The girl/boy language is commonly used when discussing adult relationships Renew Deal Jul 2016 #85

Our circumstances of meeting were different Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #86

I think the target was married white women. B Calm Jul 2016 #88

Rachel really disappointed me with her snarky on-air comments. Paladin Jul 2016 #91

Me too. I was surprised to hear negative reactions to Bill's speech Martin Eden Jul 2016 #93

whenever people question the relationship between Hillary and Bill, I always think about niyad Jul 2016 #95

thanks, am a girl myself flamingdem Jul 2016 #96