2016 Postmortem

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86. Sanders lost because Clinton won. Clinton won because Democrats preferred

Reply to avaistheone1 (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:35 PM

Jul 2016

her.

If the DNC could actually drive narratives that swung millions of votes, they'd win off-year elections.

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So when are Wikileaks, Anonymous, and others going to expose the Republicans? [View all] Onlooker Jul 2016 OP

This! Her Sister Jul 2016 #1

Never. MADem Jul 2016 #2

Putin, hell, given it's only Dems being hacked I think it's cia elehhhhna Jul 2016 #151

They make themselves obvious by exposing only the D treestar Jul 2016 #3

One could say Rs are more corrupt. Hacking part of doing business. George Eliot Jul 2016 #98

Um, NEVER. tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #4

Well done, Tallahasseedem! Cha Jul 2016 #6

Was the RNC hacked as well? revbones Jul 2016 #5

Kind of the point isn't it? JTFrog Jul 2016 #8

The recent report was that they did try. Whether it was successful is unknown NWCorona Jul 2016 #10

It's a little funny revbones Jul 2016 #13

Only crazy people think Clinton won the nomination because of election fraud. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #25

Got a link for that simple fact? AllyCat Jul 2016 #62

google Russian hackers dnc nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #82

Even funnier to defend their not going after Republicans. JTFrog Jul 2016 #71

They only would if it was a concerted effort revbones Jul 2016 #120

Lol. JTFrog Jul 2016 #132

You should try using your powers for good. revbones Jul 2016 #137

You should try using yours to help elect Democrats JTFrog Jul 2016 #138

What statement did I make in this conversation tearing down any democrat? revbones Jul 2016 #139

Pretty much the majority of your statements since you joined a couple months ago. JTFrog Jul 2016 #141

So 6=2? I'll have to revisit my math skills then. revbones Jul 2016 #142

Sorry that song has been played over and over for the last JTFrog Jul 2016 #143

Sounds too much like a conspiracy theory deflection to me... revbones Jul 2016 #146

Yep... Heard that one ad nauseum as well. JTFrog Jul 2016 #147

So the DNC's own emails are "bullshit sources" then? Good to know. nt revbones Jul 2016 #150

Yes, the spin on it is pure bullshit. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #156

Sigh... revbones Jul 2016 #158

At what point will you stop believing every ridiculous attack against JTFrog Jul 2016 #161

Probably around the time you start admitting things need to be cleaned up revbones Jul 2016 #162

It's certainly your right to buy into Russian propaganda. JTFrog Jul 2016 #163

How is a biased DNC Russian propaganda? revbones Jul 2016 #164

Try harder. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #165

Sure. revbones Jul 2016 #166

Too busy working on GOTV to come up for air, but thanks for asking. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #168

Good for you. revbones Jul 2016 #169

Trust me you haven't come close to getting me down. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #170

Good. Wasn't trying. revbones Jul 2016 #171

You were engaging in personal attacks. JTFrog Jul 2016 #172

Personal attacks? revbones Jul 2016 #173

Jesus. JTFrog Jul 2016 #174

Whatever it takes revbones Jul 2016 #175

First sentence: "hypocrisy." Tortmaster Jul 2016 #181

Wow. If that's what you take from that then so be it. revbones Jul 2016 #182

Has anyone at the DNC refuted these e-mails? tonybgood Jul 2016 #89

Why aren't they hacking and exposing the repigs? one_voice Jul 2016 #140

Exactly. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #167

Seems fishy to me. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #180

So what have they exposed? Has the democratic world imploded somehow? eom fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #7

They exposed that the DNC who was supposed to be a neutral party avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #15

Bull fuckin shit, that's standard position of both parties when one candidate has a statistical uponit7771 Jul 2016 #24

Bull fuckin shit, AlbertCat Jul 2016 #77

red herring, She had the primary locked by may 5th SOP to plan to support the winning candidate uponit7771 Jul 2016 #130

She had the primary locked by may 5th AlbertCat Jul 2016 #187

Sanders didn't lose because of the DNC. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #26

Nevertheless, the DNC should be neutral Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #30

The DNC should be a lot of things it isn't. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #31

We had suspicions but not proof before Wikileaks. Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #32

I don't think it was any secret that Clinton was more favored by party apparatchiks. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #35

The overtly biased ones shouldn't work for the DNC. Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #37

if they conducted their jobs in a way that clearly slanted the primary race in favor of geek tragedy Jul 2016 #39

It went beyond that. The DNC had deliberately setup Sanders for failure. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #42

What false narritives? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #56

Here~ avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #59

This is your evidence? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #66

Sanders lost because Clinton won. Clinton won because Democrats preferred geek tragedy Jul 2016 #86

The DNC violated their own charter! tonybgood Jul 2016 #91

This ^^ Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #118

They can slant the race overall without running the individual primaries, Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #46

where did the DNC attack him over his religion? geek tragedy Jul 2016 #85

Idle chatter finds its way into mainstream-is influential and divisive. George Eliot Jul 2016 #99

probably because CLinton was the Democrat in the race OKNancy Jul 2016 #45

One of three Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #47

Quite right. Which gets us back to loyalty. George Eliot Jul 2016 #100

Guess what? That is politics 101. tinrobot Jul 2016 #78

The DNC are the stewards of the party. annavictorious Jul 2016 #105

Tough being neutral when from day one of his announcement Bernie's campaign staff was raining sh&t Fla Dem Jul 2016 #131

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #133

Are you kidding me? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #153

You will find this post illuminating: Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #155

No, I find that post to be CT nonsense. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #160

+1000000000000 treestar Jul 2016 #183

You don't know that and you can't prove that. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #33

Okay, there is absolutely zero evidence of any kind that Sanders would have done appreciably better geek tragedy Jul 2016 #36

When the race is setup to favor one candidate over the other, avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #48

the race was not set up to favor one candidate. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #84

Neutral.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #117

I have not read commondreams for over year. Used to enjoy them but no more. riversedge Jul 2016 #38

The DNC is not, nor it will it ever be, a "neutral party" Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author darbus Jul 2016 #70

A small handful of emails out of 20,000. musicblind Jul 2016 #106

Sanders lost the race well before May 5th and when those emails were sent. SaschaHM Jul 2016 #110

They should be neutral when 2 democrats are running but Lebam in LA Jul 2016 #126

Commondreams is a pro bernie site. When is the last time they praised HRC & the Dems for anything? misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #129

Snowden recently said he lived a pretty free life. In Russia. randome Jul 2016 #9

You mean the same Russia... reign88 Jul 2016 #16

It's always the privileged 'creative destructors' who seem to find Russia so 'easy on the eyes'. randome Jul 2016 #27

Snowden is no hero, only a coward. Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #92

Let's not go too far. musicblind Jul 2016 #107

They are anarchists. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #11

Unless they go after the GOP too they are just tools of the far Right & not anarchists. Hekate Jul 2016 #79

Democrats support curtailing internet freedoms davidn3600 Jul 2016 #12

Ummmm, The USA have a three (3) branches government Iliyah Jul 2016 #21

Democrats are in power? Onlooker Jul 2016 #22

Democrats control the White House, FBI, NSA, and the Justice Department davidn3600 Jul 2016 #29

What do you mean that "the democrats are in power"? SheriffBob Jul 2016 #176

Indeed...WHEN? Why the obsession with Dems? Hum? Perfect mic drop moment... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #14

Perhaps because the Democratic narrative is we are supposed to take the higher road. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #18

Riiiiiiiight. Therefore, the revolting Repubs deserve and get a pass. Makes perfect sense...NOT! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #23

Republican ignorance and savagery is transparent and on full display. There is not much left to the avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #40

Oh, reeeely? "reminiscent of the Nixon era", heh? Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #50

Yes it is. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #57

"I SEE BULLSHIT..." ~ Jon Stewart Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #58

You're right on that one. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #61

You're the one drawing the erroneous Nixon parallels, not me. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #67

Never DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #17

that's the truth SheriffBob Jul 2016 #179

Excellent question mcar Jul 2016 #19

Never Lebam in LA Jul 2016 #20

The Wikileaks/Glenn Greenwald crowd take their cues from Putin. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #28

They appear to like Trump. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #34

Isn't it interesting that Wikileaks has no documents to absolve Julian Assange? brooklynite Jul 2016 #41

"Documents to absolve" one from a crime. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #73

+1 treestar Jul 2016 #184

They won't because they ARE Republicans. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #43

Nonsense, Wikileaks started when "W" was pResident. NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #145

Isn't exposing the war machine exposing the Republicans? Scuba Jul 2016 #44

^^^^^This!! avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #51

Hmmmm.... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #49

I would love to read how the GOP are tampering with the GE election Iliyah Jul 2016 #53

Wiki leaks worked with Chelsea Manning. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #55

Who says they haven't done things a thousand times more odious? Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #64

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2016 #60

Anon could be anyone, many anyones for that matter. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #63

every time I read posts like this it's usually followed by a post about Trump running on fear Press Virginia Jul 2016 #65

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #68

Wow, this response is telling eqfan592 Jul 2016 #69

I'm disgusted with the efforts to put Trump in the White House. yardwork Jul 2016 #72

Exactly. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #74

A-friggin'-men! So spot on! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #76

Of course they will blame Pres O and HRC. Iliyah Jul 2016 #80

Please, feel free to delve into your visceral revulsion for Dems. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #75

indeed, but your unassailable point will be dodged and dismissed stupidicus Jul 2016 #94

There was nothing unethical about it. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #154

Republicans put their sins and crimes in their platform and every piece of legislation yurbud Jul 2016 #81

Standing Ovation Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #119

be awesome to see last 20 years of trump tax returns.... beachbum bob Jul 2016 #83

^^^THIS^^^ SunSeeker Jul 2016 #90

Assange/Greenwald only care about destroying Dems... Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #87

Assange (who has a similar rape charge as Trump) Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #88

Ever so grateful, aren't ya. cyberpunk Jul 2016 #188

where have you been, they've been doing it for years stupidicus Jul 2016 #93

Dems are far from perfect and we acknowledge that Iliyah Jul 2016 #104

To think that we have people who would rather believe Loki Jul 2016 #95

Others are more evil and corrupt, we don't want the negative attention to be brought to us. insta8er Jul 2016 #96

still waiting for all those rethug kkk'ers to be outed. mopinko Jul 2016 #97

you mean like this???? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #121

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #101

See ya, and remember to vote (probably not HRC) but vote. Iliyah Jul 2016 #102

I'm not an idiot... vintx Jul 2016 #103

It's you vote. I don't agree with your vote, but it is yours. musicblind Jul 2016 #108

I live in a deep red area of TX. vintx Jul 2016 #111

S0 sorry Vintx...it has been a rough year. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #123

Give Hillary supporters a little more credit Onlooker Jul 2016 #109

My reaction is not about her supporters, it's about the powerful people in this party, and the DNC. vintx Jul 2016 #113

Yeah, but the DNC isn't that bad. Onlooker Jul 2016 #124

Sen WELLSTONE was the great democratic progressive that Sanders fought AGAINST on Sierra Blanca. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #128

People confuse "progressive" with "liberal" and they aren't the same. MADem Jul 2016 #134

He was well known as the Greatest Democratic Progressive. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #136

Then you are on Trump's side Democat Jul 2016 #112

Oh learn to read FFS. nt. vintx Jul 2016 #114

Reverse situation citood Jul 2016 #115

I guess they don't have to expose the republicans Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #116

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #122

Do remember...most of these “impartial purist” leakers and leaker-backers are Libertarians... LowerManhattanite Jul 2016 #125

It makes sense because the hard, daily work LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #127

It's the Russians Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #135

You should hack the RNC runaway hero Jul 2016 #144

K&R.. coco77 Jul 2016 #148

Waiting..... FrenchieCat Jul 2016 #149

Won't happen... beachbumbob Jul 2016 #152

I don't think we want to see what the RNC emails look like MadBadger Jul 2016 #157

I doubt it SheriffBob Jul 2016 #177

If it were the "hacker community" behind this, that would have already happened. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #159

horror SheriffBob Jul 2016 #178

good meme, the tech is advanced treestar Jul 2016 #185

The public naivete is worse, the M$M is wingnut propaganda, and here on DU L. Coyote Jul 2016 #186