2016 Postmortem

davidn3600

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12. Democrats support curtailing internet freedoms

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:20 AM

Jul 2016

They don't necessarily like Republicans. But Democrats are in power, so they are considered part of the problem. Right now...Democrats seem to favor curtailing internet freedoms and bumping up surveillance. So many activists see Democrats as an enemy.

WikiLeaks is angry because Chelsea Manning was prosecuted and the government is chasing Snowden. Julian Assange also believes the United States is after him and that the progressive government in Sweden fabricated rape allegations against him in order to arrest him.

As for Anonymous, they have no central leadership. So no one is really in control of their core ideology. That group is very sporadic and has supporters from different political ideologies. But many have been very angry at the Obama admin since the popular internet activist Aaron Swartz committed suicide in 2013 when federal prosecutors threatened him with several decades in prison. Do a YouTube search on him and you'll see all sorts of videos Anonymous posted about him. Anonymous blames the Justice Department for his death.

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So when are Wikileaks, Anonymous, and others going to expose the Republicans? [View all] Onlooker Jul 2016 OP

This! Her Sister Jul 2016 #1

Never. MADem Jul 2016 #2

Putin, hell, given it's only Dems being hacked I think it's cia elehhhhna Jul 2016 #151

They make themselves obvious by exposing only the D treestar Jul 2016 #3

One could say Rs are more corrupt. Hacking part of doing business. George Eliot Jul 2016 #98

Um, NEVER. tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #4

Well done, Tallahasseedem! Cha Jul 2016 #6

Was the RNC hacked as well? revbones Jul 2016 #5

Kind of the point isn't it? JTFrog Jul 2016 #8

The recent report was that they did try. Whether it was successful is unknown NWCorona Jul 2016 #10

It's a little funny revbones Jul 2016 #13

Only crazy people think Clinton won the nomination because of election fraud. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #25

Got a link for that simple fact? AllyCat Jul 2016 #62

google Russian hackers dnc nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #82

Even funnier to defend their not going after Republicans. JTFrog Jul 2016 #71

They only would if it was a concerted effort revbones Jul 2016 #120

Lol. JTFrog Jul 2016 #132

You should try using your powers for good. revbones Jul 2016 #137

You should try using yours to help elect Democrats JTFrog Jul 2016 #138

What statement did I make in this conversation tearing down any democrat? revbones Jul 2016 #139

Pretty much the majority of your statements since you joined a couple months ago. JTFrog Jul 2016 #141

So 6=2? I'll have to revisit my math skills then. revbones Jul 2016 #142

Sorry that song has been played over and over for the last JTFrog Jul 2016 #143

Sounds too much like a conspiracy theory deflection to me... revbones Jul 2016 #146

Yep... Heard that one ad nauseum as well. JTFrog Jul 2016 #147

So the DNC's own emails are "bullshit sources" then? Good to know. nt revbones Jul 2016 #150

Yes, the spin on it is pure bullshit. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #156

Sigh... revbones Jul 2016 #158

At what point will you stop believing every ridiculous attack against JTFrog Jul 2016 #161

Probably around the time you start admitting things need to be cleaned up revbones Jul 2016 #162

It's certainly your right to buy into Russian propaganda. JTFrog Jul 2016 #163

How is a biased DNC Russian propaganda? revbones Jul 2016 #164

Try harder. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #165

Sure. revbones Jul 2016 #166

Too busy working on GOTV to come up for air, but thanks for asking. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #168

Good for you. revbones Jul 2016 #169

Trust me you haven't come close to getting me down. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #170

Good. Wasn't trying. revbones Jul 2016 #171

You were engaging in personal attacks. JTFrog Jul 2016 #172

Personal attacks? revbones Jul 2016 #173

Jesus. JTFrog Jul 2016 #174

Whatever it takes revbones Jul 2016 #175

First sentence: "hypocrisy." Tortmaster Jul 2016 #181

Wow. If that's what you take from that then so be it. revbones Jul 2016 #182

Has anyone at the DNC refuted these e-mails? tonybgood Jul 2016 #89

Why aren't they hacking and exposing the repigs? one_voice Jul 2016 #140

Exactly. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #167

Seems fishy to me. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #180

So what have they exposed? Has the democratic world imploded somehow? eom fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #7

They exposed that the DNC who was supposed to be a neutral party avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #15

Bull fuckin shit, that's standard position of both parties when one candidate has a statistical uponit7771 Jul 2016 #24

Bull fuckin shit, AlbertCat Jul 2016 #77

red herring, She had the primary locked by may 5th SOP to plan to support the winning candidate uponit7771 Jul 2016 #130

She had the primary locked by may 5th AlbertCat Jul 2016 #187

Sanders didn't lose because of the DNC. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #26

Nevertheless, the DNC should be neutral Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #30

The DNC should be a lot of things it isn't. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #31

We had suspicions but not proof before Wikileaks. Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #32

I don't think it was any secret that Clinton was more favored by party apparatchiks. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #35

The overtly biased ones shouldn't work for the DNC. Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #37

if they conducted their jobs in a way that clearly slanted the primary race in favor of geek tragedy Jul 2016 #39

It went beyond that. The DNC had deliberately setup Sanders for failure. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #42

What false narritives? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #56

Here~ avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #59

This is your evidence? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #66

Sanders lost because Clinton won. Clinton won because Democrats preferred geek tragedy Jul 2016 #86

The DNC violated their own charter! tonybgood Jul 2016 #91

This ^^ Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #118

They can slant the race overall without running the individual primaries, Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #46

where did the DNC attack him over his religion? geek tragedy Jul 2016 #85

Idle chatter finds its way into mainstream-is influential and divisive. George Eliot Jul 2016 #99

probably because CLinton was the Democrat in the race OKNancy Jul 2016 #45

One of three Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #47

Quite right. Which gets us back to loyalty. George Eliot Jul 2016 #100

Guess what? That is politics 101. tinrobot Jul 2016 #78

The DNC are the stewards of the party. annavictorious Jul 2016 #105

Tough being neutral when from day one of his announcement Bernie's campaign staff was raining sh&t Fla Dem Jul 2016 #131

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #133

Are you kidding me? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #153

You will find this post illuminating: Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #155

No, I find that post to be CT nonsense. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #160

+1000000000000 treestar Jul 2016 #183

You don't know that and you can't prove that. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #33

Okay, there is absolutely zero evidence of any kind that Sanders would have done appreciably better geek tragedy Jul 2016 #36

When the race is setup to favor one candidate over the other, avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #48

the race was not set up to favor one candidate. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #84

Neutral.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #117

I have not read commondreams for over year. Used to enjoy them but no more. riversedge Jul 2016 #38

The DNC is not, nor it will it ever be, a "neutral party" Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author darbus Jul 2016 #70

A small handful of emails out of 20,000. musicblind Jul 2016 #106

Sanders lost the race well before May 5th and when those emails were sent. SaschaHM Jul 2016 #110

They should be neutral when 2 democrats are running but Lebam in LA Jul 2016 #126

Commondreams is a pro bernie site. When is the last time they praised HRC & the Dems for anything? misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #129

Snowden recently said he lived a pretty free life. In Russia. randome Jul 2016 #9

You mean the same Russia... reign88 Jul 2016 #16

It's always the privileged 'creative destructors' who seem to find Russia so 'easy on the eyes'. randome Jul 2016 #27

Snowden is no hero, only a coward. Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #92

Let's not go too far. musicblind Jul 2016 #107

They are anarchists. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #11

Unless they go after the GOP too they are just tools of the far Right & not anarchists. Hekate Jul 2016 #79

Democrats support curtailing internet freedoms davidn3600 Jul 2016 #12

Ummmm, The USA have a three (3) branches government Iliyah Jul 2016 #21

Democrats are in power? Onlooker Jul 2016 #22

Democrats control the White House, FBI, NSA, and the Justice Department davidn3600 Jul 2016 #29

What do you mean that "the democrats are in power"? SheriffBob Jul 2016 #176

Indeed...WHEN? Why the obsession with Dems? Hum? Perfect mic drop moment... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #14

Perhaps because the Democratic narrative is we are supposed to take the higher road. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #18

Riiiiiiiight. Therefore, the revolting Repubs deserve and get a pass. Makes perfect sense...NOT! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #23

Republican ignorance and savagery is transparent and on full display. There is not much left to the avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #40

Oh, reeeely? "reminiscent of the Nixon era", heh? Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #50

Yes it is. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #57

"I SEE BULLSHIT..." ~ Jon Stewart Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #58

You're right on that one. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #61

You're the one drawing the erroneous Nixon parallels, not me. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #67

Never DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #17

that's the truth SheriffBob Jul 2016 #179

Excellent question mcar Jul 2016 #19

Never Lebam in LA Jul 2016 #20

The Wikileaks/Glenn Greenwald crowd take their cues from Putin. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #28

They appear to like Trump. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #34

Isn't it interesting that Wikileaks has no documents to absolve Julian Assange? brooklynite Jul 2016 #41

"Documents to absolve" one from a crime. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #73

+1 treestar Jul 2016 #184

They won't because they ARE Republicans. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #43

Nonsense, Wikileaks started when "W" was pResident. NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #145

Isn't exposing the war machine exposing the Republicans? Scuba Jul 2016 #44

^^^^^This!! avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #51

Hmmmm.... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #49

I would love to read how the GOP are tampering with the GE election Iliyah Jul 2016 #53

Wiki leaks worked with Chelsea Manning. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #55

Who says they haven't done things a thousand times more odious? Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #64

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2016 #60

Anon could be anyone, many anyones for that matter. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #63

every time I read posts like this it's usually followed by a post about Trump running on fear Press Virginia Jul 2016 #65

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #68

Wow, this response is telling eqfan592 Jul 2016 #69

I'm disgusted with the efforts to put Trump in the White House. yardwork Jul 2016 #72

Exactly. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #74

A-friggin'-men! So spot on! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #76

Of course they will blame Pres O and HRC. Iliyah Jul 2016 #80

Please, feel free to delve into your visceral revulsion for Dems. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #75

indeed, but your unassailable point will be dodged and dismissed stupidicus Jul 2016 #94

There was nothing unethical about it. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #154

Republicans put their sins and crimes in their platform and every piece of legislation yurbud Jul 2016 #81

Standing Ovation Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #119

be awesome to see last 20 years of trump tax returns.... beachbum bob Jul 2016 #83

^^^THIS^^^ SunSeeker Jul 2016 #90

Assange/Greenwald only care about destroying Dems... Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #87

Assange (who has a similar rape charge as Trump) Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #88

Ever so grateful, aren't ya. cyberpunk Jul 2016 #188

where have you been, they've been doing it for years stupidicus Jul 2016 #93

Dems are far from perfect and we acknowledge that Iliyah Jul 2016 #104

To think that we have people who would rather believe Loki Jul 2016 #95

Others are more evil and corrupt, we don't want the negative attention to be brought to us. insta8er Jul 2016 #96

still waiting for all those rethug kkk'ers to be outed. mopinko Jul 2016 #97

you mean like this???? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #121

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #101

See ya, and remember to vote (probably not HRC) but vote. Iliyah Jul 2016 #102

I'm not an idiot... vintx Jul 2016 #103

It's you vote. I don't agree with your vote, but it is yours. musicblind Jul 2016 #108

I live in a deep red area of TX. vintx Jul 2016 #111

S0 sorry Vintx...it has been a rough year. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #123

Give Hillary supporters a little more credit Onlooker Jul 2016 #109

My reaction is not about her supporters, it's about the powerful people in this party, and the DNC. vintx Jul 2016 #113

Yeah, but the DNC isn't that bad. Onlooker Jul 2016 #124

Sen WELLSTONE was the great democratic progressive that Sanders fought AGAINST on Sierra Blanca. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #128

People confuse "progressive" with "liberal" and they aren't the same. MADem Jul 2016 #134

He was well known as the Greatest Democratic Progressive. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #136

Then you are on Trump's side Democat Jul 2016 #112

Oh learn to read FFS. nt. vintx Jul 2016 #114

Reverse situation citood Jul 2016 #115

I guess they don't have to expose the republicans Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #116

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #122

Do remember...most of these “impartial purist” leakers and leaker-backers are Libertarians... LowerManhattanite Jul 2016 #125

It makes sense because the hard, daily work LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #127

It's the Russians Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #135

You should hack the RNC runaway hero Jul 2016 #144

K&R.. coco77 Jul 2016 #148

Waiting..... FrenchieCat Jul 2016 #149

Won't happen... beachbumbob Jul 2016 #152

I don't think we want to see what the RNC emails look like MadBadger Jul 2016 #157

I doubt it SheriffBob Jul 2016 #177

If it were the "hacker community" behind this, that would have already happened. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #159

horror SheriffBob Jul 2016 #178

good meme, the tech is advanced treestar Jul 2016 #185

The public naivete is worse, the M$M is wingnut propaganda, and here on DU L. Coyote Jul 2016 #186