2016 Postmortem

MADem

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31. No-they were created to prevent another 1972 from happening.

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Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:42 PM

Jun 2016

When those "grassroots" picked a candidate who got his clocked cleaned in the general.

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The Congressional Black Caucus objects to eliminating super delegates. Why? [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

establishment creates the rules... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #1

I was addressing the specific concerns of the CBC. The sound on my computer pnwmom Jun 2016 #2

You've typed it CBO a couple of times ... it's CBC SFnomad Jun 2016 #11

Thanks! pnwmom Jun 2016 #16

establishment creates the rules... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #14

What's wrong with grassroots activists? ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #4

What's wrong with having a convention that reflects the diversity of America? pnwmom Jun 2016 #6

My question was about the video in the post ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #25

Couple things you're missing Scootaloo Jun 2016 #44

In my state of Washington, we had caucuses attended by 230K people, pnwmom Jun 2016 #47

I live in Washington Scootaloo Jun 2016 #49

I've been writing and calling ever since the democratic party decided pnwmom Jun 2016 #50

If the Washington SD's were proportionally split I might be inclined to agree Scootaloo Jun 2016 #51

But the caucus delegates went disproportionately to Bernie. pnwmom Jun 2016 #52

No, they went appropriately and proportionally to bernie. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #56

No, it wasn't appropriate. It wasn't appropriate for the party leaders pnwmom Jun 2016 #59

grassroots... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #12

No-they were created to prevent another 1972 from happening. MADem Jun 2016 #31

Here are the facts HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #36

I know that plenty of people weren't thrilled with Carter, but the SD idea MADem Jun 2016 #42

Superdelegates look less like "America" and more like a Beverly Hills / Hamptons mixer Scootaloo Jun 2016 #46

I think the CBC disagrees with you. nt MADem Jun 2016 #55

I think that the full list of superdelegates proves such disagreement quite meaningless Scootaloo Jun 2016 #57

'plenty of people'.... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #48

SDs have opinions, like we all do, and their minds CAN and are changed. MADem Jun 2016 #54

...deflection... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #58

It's not deflection.SD haven't overturned the will of the people. That is fact. MADem Jun 2016 #61

...deflection... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #65

The super delegates correctly predicted MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #71

...now the pivot... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #72

When a candidate is polling at 60 plus percent MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #76

This isn't addressing what the OP is asking. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #7

I'm giving a perspective and background... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #9

Does your video specifically address the concerns of the CBC -- or just of pnwmom Jun 2016 #18

it concerns the larger context of what the CBC is considered by many within DEM party... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #23

Interesting. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #3

Trump IS a "cautionary tale" -- if you will. MADem Jun 2016 #27

Exactly. Watch the Repubs come up with a SD system after their epic Trump loses of 2016. FSogol Jun 2016 #80

This might help: Raine1967 Jun 2016 #5

Thank you -- yes, that passage addresses this directly. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #8

It was interesting to me reading that article. It reminded me of the Film on HBO: *All The Way* Raine1967 Jun 2016 #17

I'm sure the GOP wishes they had them! pnwmom Jun 2016 #20

I agree with them--I want them to weigh in. They deserve input. nt MADem Jun 2016 #28

I don't see how this would impact that percent of African Americans either way dsc Jun 2016 #10

This isn't true for the Senate, is it? How many black people come from a state pnwmom Jun 2016 #13

the Senate has one black Democrat and only three living former black Demcorats dsc Jun 2016 #15

Well, 1 is better than none. And adding the 43 ensures that there will be at least pnwmom Jun 2016 #22

But people are talking around the issue and using uncertain proxies. Igel Jun 2016 #78

Cory Booker is the only Dem incumbent. Mo Cowan was a temporary appointee, MADem Jun 2016 #29

as to women dsc Jun 2016 #19

That didn't happen at my caucus in WA. There was no concern as to gender. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #26

JOHN CONYERS is not--repeat NOT--a Senator. He's a Congressman. MADem Jun 2016 #21

Sorry! So it's Corey Booker, right? pnwmom Jun 2016 #24

Yes, for us! And the Republicans have Tim Scott. MADem Jun 2016 #30

Once again, you have it completely wrong Android3.14 Jun 2016 #32

You are overlooking the fact that black people comprise 22% of Democrats. pnwmom Jun 2016 #33

Your point, underlined in the OP, is incorrect Android3.14 Jun 2016 #67

Let's assume the #s are right. Igel Jun 2016 #79

They're not representing the entire country. They're representing Democrats. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #37

Not sure I understand your point - if the establishment is less diverse than the electorate, then Chathamization Jun 2016 #34

No. Eliminating the black super-delegates would make the overall body pnwmom Jun 2016 #35

"White men hold superdelegate power balance" - Politico, 2008 Chathamization Jun 2016 #38

You have more faith than I do in the process producing a more representative pnwmom Jun 2016 #40

If we had the electorate decide (no supers), we would have a more diverse and representative group Chathamization Jun 2016 #41

We have about 20% AA delegates now, compared to 22% of Dems -- INCLUDING super delegates. pnwmom Jun 2016 #43

Removing superdelegates means the electorate would make the decision. And 22% is higher than 20%. Chathamization Jun 2016 #45

The CBC is comprised of incumbents; superdelegates protect incumbents from grassroots activists. Vote2016 Jun 2016 #39

From a mathematical perspective it doesn't hold true PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #53

That would only be true if pledged delegates were magically more diverse. pnwmom Jun 2016 #60

but they are more diverse PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #69

Gee, the DNC has put some effort into increasing outreach to create more LGBT delegates because Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #81

I'm not sure that this system leads to greater representation for African Americans. David__77 Jun 2016 #62

That percent is a percent of the total, including superdelegates. pnwmom Jun 2016 #64

I think that African Americans might comprise <26% of senators/house members. David__77 Jun 2016 #66

Because super delegates are less diverse than the body of regular delegates TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #83

Yeah, no getting rid of SuperDs... Thank you, Cha Jun 2016 #63

I have less of a problem with superdelegates than I do with their vast number. John Poet Jun 2016 #68

If you're going to argue that SDs Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #70

More importantly they object to "open primaries." This is their main gripe with BS glennward Jun 2016 #73

Ironic in that the current rules were set up Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #74

The DNC was planning to make the nominating process less democratic Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #75

Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #77

I would say that if Democratic Primary Voters actually want more Black representation.... Armstead Jun 2016 #82

I don't endorse the use of super delegates at all. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #84

The primary is frontloaded with southern "black belt" states. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #85

Because they are themselves super delegates AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #86