2016 Postmortem

Cheese Sandwich

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78. Motive established: USC/LA Times Poll shows Bernie winning California if turnout was high

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:13 PM

Jun 2016

Poll: Sanders edging Clinton out in California

A USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll released Thursday evening shows Sanders leading with 44 percent to Clinton's 43 percent.
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But, the poll found, Clinton has a 10-point lead among those likely to vote next week, primarily due to support from older voters.

Sanders has continued to close the gap between him and Clinton and has been campaigning hard across the state.

“Bernie Sanders has tapped into a wellspring of support in the Democratic primary over the last several weeks and he’s closing with a rush,” said Dan Schnur, director of USC’s Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics, which partnered with the L.A. Times to conduct the poll.

"If Clinton manages to hold him off and win the primary, it would be as a result of a low turnout that tilts the electorate in her direction."
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-new-poll-california

This is not a conspiracy theory.

Hillary benefited greatly. This will go down in history as one of the great all time dirty tricks and media manipulations.

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It wouldn't take a far fetched conspiracy to link the Clinton camp to the AP call. [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 OP

It's much more likely to be triggered by the Sanders campaign, since they will benefit more. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #1

Bingo! tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2

Not Bingo. Polls showed Clinton benefited from lower turnout in California. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #84

It's obviously open to debate Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #5

Exactly why it was done pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #10

How does that work exactly? TDale313 Jun 2016 #9

Someone from his campaign could easily have called the AP and encouraged them to prod the supers to eastwestdem Jun 2016 #11

AP has been regularly contacting Supers. TDale313 Jun 2016 #25

and don't forget passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #64

The newest Conspiracy Theory...Bernie, the media darling. LOLOLOL. libdem4life Jun 2016 #79

Exactly lunamagica Jun 2016 #54

Sanders supporters outraged over Clinton's 'secret win' image w4rma Jun 2016 #62

"SECRET WIN" didn't come from the Bernie camp and you know it.... think Jun 2016 #76

Don't pop their balloon...it seems to be pretty thin these days. libdem4life Jun 2016 #80

Plan A called for her to declare victory before the votes were counted in California anyways geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3

Plan A called for her also winning California Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #15

Occam's razor is usually a pretty good rule. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #20

Occam's razor is often used to try to get others to buy the simple explanation. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #32

Some people live in a world filled with convenient conspiracies to fit all occasions. procon Jun 2016 #4

Do tell pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #8

Well, there you have it. procon Jun 2016 #24

Loser? Hardly pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #28

Absolutely. A Revolution never ends with the first battle...win or lose. libdem4life Jun 2016 #81

Let Them Eat Cake Phase pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #83

Exactly how is his campaign supposed to prevent ugly tactics passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #65

I'm not willfully blind... JSup Jun 2016 #35

Benefit of the Doubt pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #42

Really? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #66

It deflates her win and New Jersey and Calif. I think it was on her side. But Fucks with her win. seabeyond Jun 2016 #6

It could definitely backfire. TDale313 Jun 2016 #19

I am so tired of a year of Sanders supporters, without evidence, accusing her of everything they seabeyond Jun 2016 #39

Excellent Post pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #7

I agree. Well thought out. Unfortunately we may never know the facts since relevant e-mails .... imagine2015 Jun 2016 #14

LOL pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #17

Or maybe Joe Klein will come out with another novel. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #68

LOL pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #70

Nothing would surprise me when it comes to dirty tricks by the Hillary campaign. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #30

It would surprise me to learn that the AP & NBC suddenly love Clinton displacedtexan Jun 2016 #45

If they get the scoop on the big story, why not? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #71

1st time i ever complained but this is very long 4 paragraphs mitty14u2 Jun 2016 #12

What? pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #21

So many words, to be so soon forgotten alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #13

Like all posts here in time Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #22

True story alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #23

WELL written. Thank you. n/t Triana Jun 2016 #16

One conspiracy after another. randome Jun 2016 #18

The bottom line was that the current delegate system lends itself to this Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #27

Well, like Sanders, you should have started on this a long time ago. randome Jun 2016 #31

A useful post making good points Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #38

Damn! I've forgotten how to react to sensible back-and-forth exchanges! randome Jun 2016 #40

LOL. You did great! Especially with that reply Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #46

Right on the money. He was a kind of unwilling warrior, or so it seemed. libdem4life Jun 2016 #88

Classic cia response. LfuckingOL! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #36

Ask Bernie why he did it in 2008. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #26

it''s god's will (choose your own deity to insert here) nt msongs Jun 2016 #29

Some billionaire called in a favor. It's not personal it's just business. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #33

Real Losers must cheat to win. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #34

Just what does the AP have to do with today's election? I would suspect if anything it will motivate doc03 Jun 2016 #37

So why this then? nbsmom Jun 2016 #41

Oh give me a break doc03 Jun 2016 #51

because Bill Clinton drove by the polling place passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #72

I forget what state it was but I remember Sanders people going bonkers insinuating doc03 Jun 2016 #86

He did not just drive by passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #87

it's puerto Rico and Virgin islands fault JI7 Jun 2016 #43

It doesn't take much to know it ruins her Tuesday win and she isn't afraid of Sanders, the win is seabeyond Jun 2016 #44

I want the Super Delegate System Changed, and so should Hillary Clinton Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #48

You know what? I have heard no one gripe about it in '08 or '04. All of a sudden it is the end seabeyond Jun 2016 #49

I supported Hillary in 3008 Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #53

There was no good reason for it except to suppress the vote in California Doctor_J Jun 2016 #47

Intentional ignorance isn't a terribly compelling argument. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #50

AP did the same thing 10 days ago for Trump.... Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #52

Four Key Differences Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #56

why would any of those objections be relevant to AP's attempt to have Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #57

Assuming you read my whole OP Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #58

agree it would have been more considerate Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #59

I'll agree that it is speculative Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #60

I can't agree more Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #75

She can and will still have a celebratory party tonight for winning NJ passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #74

You lost fair and square. Time to put away the crazy and fly your ship back down to the Earth. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #55

!! I can barely type I'm laughing so hard at this post Number23 Jun 2016 #89

Welp... The AP Collaborated With The Nazis... AzDar Jun 2016 #61

Since it potentially suppresses the down ballot votes, why the hell would she want to do that? Hekate Jun 2016 #63

It isn't a general election, these are primaries Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #69

It's not "legitimate", it's intentionally manipulating an election. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #67

"NOW your talking. Those AP guys are Tools of the Hillary machine"__B. Sanders Bill USA Jun 2016 #73

Television News Network Lobbyists Are Fundraising for Hillary Clinton think Jun 2016 #77

yeah, and they invented the rules of arithmetic to benefit hillary more than Sanders..LOL Bill USA Jun 2016 #82

You're too proud to understand but that's all right. I get it.... think Jun 2016 #90

Study: Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, gets the most negative media coverage - VOX.com Bill USA Jun 2016 #91

your article says lobbyists raised ~$200,000 from Television Ind., her campaign Tot: $204,258,301 Bill USA Jun 2016 #92

Motive established: USC/LA Times Poll shows Bernie winning California if turnout was high Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #78

It's the definition of a conspiracy theory. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #85

Regardless of how far fetched...it would still be a conspiracy. I have a better one for you Sheepshank Jun 2016 #93