2016 Postmortem

senz

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150. Bernie is telling the truth.

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:55 AM

Jun 2016

A candidate must win 2,383 delegates at the national convention in order to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

As of 5/31/16, Hillary Clinton had 1770 pledged delegates and Bernie Sanders had 1500 pledged delegates.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

Hillary needs 613 more delegates to reach 2383. There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries: Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Because the candidates' totals are so close, it is extremely unlikely that either candidate can reach 2383 pledged delegates from the primaries alone.

The remainder will have to be supplied by superdelegates. The superdelegates do not vote until July 25.

Therefore, we will not have a nominee until the superdelegates vote on July 25th.

Those are the rules.

Bernie has every right to stay in the race and millions of his supporters want him to stay in.

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Sanders: Clinton can't declare victory if she wins the voting [View all] geek tragedy Jun 2016 OP

He already lost scscholar Jun 2016 #1

When he stops threatening to disrupt and decides the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #2

He isn't trying to steal anything. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #88

Yu hu. He pushed most of us to the side as it is. seabeyond Jun 2016 #93

I would be because he lost the primary ...he got less votes Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #98

There is not going to be a Sanders administration. I know it will take a long time for some to upaloopa Jun 2016 #110

True Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #119

The primary contest has been over for some time now Gothmog Jun 2016 #118

Then why is it still going on? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #141

The answer to you question is hidden here, can you find it ? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #159

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #235

If he loses the voting, his only moral choice is to concede nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #122

He's trying to claim Clinton hasn't won when she has. baldguy Jun 2016 #183

Only the majority of Democratic voters. Good to know you all think we're "no one". eom tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #188

There isn't going to be one pandr32 Jun 2016 #202

Bernie Sanders ego... lol... he just wants what is best for the country, he doesn't give MillennialDem Jun 2016 #199

which is why he's scalp-hunting against Barney Frank and Dan Malloy geek tragedy Jun 2016 #203

Bernie would probably throw himself on a grenade to get his policies implemented. He really MillennialDem Jun 2016 #204

so you expect him to do everything possible to help Clinton defeat Trump geek tragedy Jun 2016 #206

He almost certainly will. We'll just have to wait and see. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #208

I really, truly hope you are right and I am completely, embarrassingly wrong geek tragedy Jun 2016 #209

It appears that we will have to beat Trump without him. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #3

If you want to follow the rules, the nominee is decided at the convention. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #4

Impending nominee? annavictorious Jun 2016 #53

Bernie is making it up as he goes along, clearly. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #76

2026.Yes. This is the number that says it all, Tuesday. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #77

sanders has NO say in the nomination process, hillary has the majority beachbum bob Jun 2016 #5

They should send Cornel West packing. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10

I think we can quit the pretense that these primaries equate to voting in any sense of the word. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #6

Votes count even when they're not for Bernie. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #8

Okay, go on with the pretense if you must. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #18

Gone on with your denial if you must. upaloopa Jun 2016 #111

Nope, mine is fact. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #112

Excuses, excuses Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #99

You actually have the audacity to claim that primaries are not voting? -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #139

The votes for Hillary count too. She has millions more than Bernie. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #248

He is demanding we all get blinded in his fairy dust storm. I can't see.... Lol. seabeyond Jun 2016 #7

I guess Cornel wont be getting ball tickets bravenak Jun 2016 #9

He should be kicked off the platform committee. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11

Damn straight bravenak Jun 2016 #13

No one one his side will explain why HE doesn't have to win with majority of pledged, though... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #12

Women only get .79 delegates for each delegate a man gets. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14

Also,votes from "Confederate" states don't count. sufrommich Jun 2016 #24

They count as 3/5 of a delegate. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #26

And again! PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #38

...Ditto TwilightZone Jun 2016 #45

Red states already lancer78 Jun 2016 #132

Well done! PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #37

Bravo and... TwilightZone Jun 2016 #44

K&R....nt Henhouse Jun 2016 #63

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #240

That is what I have noticed most about Sanders and his campaign. Hypocrisy. Mind blowing seabeyond Jun 2016 #17

His heroes are Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro geek tragedy Jun 2016 #51

Not to mention thinking food lines are.... cool. Lol. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #52

Heh. Great little subthread, guys. Hekate Jun 2016 #135

I can't wait for this fool's 15 minutes to be over. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #15

I'll be donating to Al Giordano's campaign in 2018 nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #16

If a majority of Delegates say they'll vote for you... brooklynite Jun 2016 #19

I hope the superdelegates take extra safety precautions geek tragedy Jun 2016 #20

The "SuperDelegate Hit List" certainly doesn't help... brooklynite Jun 2016 #28

Will the chairs be bolted down in Philly? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #30

snickers....not the chairs again....n/t Henhouse Jun 2016 #64

Their votes only count after they actually vote. surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #39

And they vote for the candidate with the majority of pledged delegates and the majority of the upaloopa Jun 2016 #115

There is no such rule. surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #174

I'm trying to see this as all justified talk to not suppress Tuesday's voter turnout. moriah Jun 2016 #21

I expect the other 100+ super delegates have already made up their minds. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33

I also know if Bernie pulls off a mathematical miracle, enough Hillary superdelegates... moriah Jun 2016 #40

If he wins NJ and Cali unanimously, you bet. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #41

Bernie's going to play this the same way Reagan did in the GOP in 1976 andym Jun 2016 #22

Sanders won't come close. I doubt he'll get a single super to switch.nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #25

To be fair, one super did switch from Bernie to Hillary Sheepshank Jun 2016 #133

I agree Bernie will have trouble getting the superdelegates to switch andym Jun 2016 #239

He will not get to speak Gomez163 Jun 2016 #27

Probably correct andym Jun 2016 #34

He will get to give a speech geek tragedy Jun 2016 #35

What exactly will they be protesting? nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #81

TBD nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #121

Protesting that Bernie lost apparently. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #140

Democracy, apparently. baldguy Jun 2016 #184

Not the same at all Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #100

the unpledged delegates were elected delegates dsc Jun 2016 #194

But history is richer than you think... andym Jun 2016 #213

Call in the Sandman already! frazzled Jun 2016 #23

President Obama may have to step in. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #29

lol MFM008 Jun 2016 #166

In 2008, 2117 delegates were needed to win. Obama only had 1,828½ pledged delegates. That's reality. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #31

He is such a disappointment.... apcalc Jun 2016 #32

He is courageous. And he is within his rights. senz Jun 2016 #167

Nonsense Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #180

Reagan and Clinton destroyed the progressive momentum. senz Jun 2016 #218

That is bullshit Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #243

He's a self-aggrandizing, self-important whiner. baldguy Jun 2016 #185

I have never seen a politician with less ego. senz Jun 2016 #219

Bernie is wearing thin..... N/t Mohammed_Lee Jun 2016 #36

"...and will contest the nomination at the convention" Tarc Jun 2016 #42

He's going Tonya Harding. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #43

None of this is about his ego. senz Jun 2016 #153

All of this is about his ego. baldguy Jun 2016 #186

He's not looking for "a seat at the table." senz Jun 2016 #220

Since this is a democracy, that's all that will be available to him. baldguy Jun 2016 #226

This is why I have really come to dislike BS Raastan Jun 2016 #46

The emperor has no clothes. No concession, no convention speach. Period. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #47

No Cornel West on the platform committee. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #49

after 25 yrs a snoozing backbencher of little note this is his BIG moment in the spotlight nt msongs Jun 2016 #48

His big moment is a temper tantrum geek tragedy Jun 2016 #50

Clinton is not, and was never going to declare victory. annavictorious Jun 2016 #54

Why would she not declare victory after winning? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #56

Because I don't think Clinton is as dumb or clueless TimPlo Jun 2016 #58

Clinton met with Obama 2 days after the last primary geek tragedy Jun 2016 #67

She will or the media will Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #101

She WILL declare victory on Tuesday night. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #68

Sanders is lying about a contested convention to keep the small dollar donations flowing Gothmog Jun 2016 #55

I think he wants to extend his 15 minutes. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #57

2383.....victory Hillary...loss sanders beachbumbob Jun 2016 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #60

He definitely should go. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #69

I'm 100 % in favor of that! Lucinda Jun 2016 #97

There is no place for him to go except back home to Vermont. He has lost. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #107

he will be most effective back in the Senate handmade34 Jun 2016 #173

I doubt he follows through. joshcryer Jun 2016 #61

If he plans on taking it all the way to the first ballot... SidDithers Jun 2016 #62

Fair is fair. No speaking spot for Hillary before the vote, none for him. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #71

Yup... SidDithers Jun 2016 #73

Hillary the winner can speak when wants Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #102

First and only ballot Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #189

Time to cut him out of the Senate caucus MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65

He's just saying it to get his supporters out to vote Txbluedog Jun 2016 #66

Making up new rules, are you, geek? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #70

Denial is a long long river:) jcgoldie Jun 2016 #72

You tubing it? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #80

yes say it again jcgoldie Jun 2016 #125

You're the one making up new rules. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #142

Hillary conceded RobertEarl Jun 2016 #223

She has to say the magic words first. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #74

"Whatever, Bernie." nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #75

After 240 years, Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #78

Yes. Lol. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #79

Yes. I agree. I find that very telling too. skylucy Jun 2016 #83

Quite literally True nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #86

This is OP worthy. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #94

Exactly bravenak Jun 2016 #103

Spot on lunamagica Jun 2016 #126

... handmade34 Jun 2016 #175

Boom. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #196

Correct Maven Jun 2016 #198

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #241

This! mcar Jun 2016 #244

Maybe he should just regroup and prepare for 2020. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #82

At 78? I suggest he get organized and go out on the road, encouraging others in speeches seabeyond Jun 2016 #87

Yeah...that was kind of my point. He pretty much waited way to long to mount his revolution. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #91

Hey, if he really put the work in, which does not seem to trend with his lifetime, seabeyond Jun 2016 #92

I guess we'll see how dedicated he really is in the coming year. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #95

True colors..... CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #84

Shark arely staircase Jun 2016 #85

Link to confirmation that he will not be speaking at the convention? morningfog Jun 2016 #89

An active candidate Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #105

Link to that rule? morningfog Jun 2016 #113

No. It will be over. hack89 Jun 2016 #127

1992--Jerry Brown was denied a speaking slot. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #131

If both were active candidates at the time of the convention neither would get a speaking slot until Lord Magus Jun 2016 #144

I am sorry. Did you misunderstand? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #182

1992--Jerry Brown geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123

Clinton has no viable path to victory in the GE. basselope Jun 2016 #90

Yeah well your candidate can't even win among Democrats so he has no chance period. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #106

Democrats make up 29% of the electorate. basselope Jun 2016 #109

More Bernie make believe. In November Hillary will be the President elect. upaloopa Jun 2016 #117

0 chance. basselope Jun 2016 #128

She can with your support Renew Deal Jun 2016 #116

I would never vote for her. basselope Jun 2016 #129

I hear the same statement from Republican friends. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #176

So? basselope Jun 2016 #200

The you are a Trump supporter. baldguy Jun 2016 #187

No. basselope Jun 2016 #201

Only two have a chance of winning. If you don't vote for one, then you're supporting the other. baldguy Jun 2016 #205

I won't vote for Trump. basselope Jun 2016 #211

The only way to ensure Trump is defeated is to *VOTE FOR* his only viable opponent, Hillary Clinton. baldguy Jun 2016 #215

I am not voting for EITHER. basselope Jun 2016 #217

Then you are a supporter of Trump's candidacy. baldguy Jun 2016 #224

No. basselope Jun 2016 #229

If you don't vote for Clinton, then you're supporting Trump. baldguy Jun 2016 #230

If I don't vote for Trump, then I'm supporting Clinton. basselope Jun 2016 #231

That's not how it works. But you knew that. baldguy Jun 2016 #232

But, I'm not voting for Trump... so then you must be happy. basselope Jun 2016 #233

See #215 baldguy Jun 2016 #234

You can't have it both ways. basselope Jun 2016 #237

And you can't deny the fact that refusing to vote for Clinton helps Trump. baldguy Jun 2016 #242

And you can't deny the fact that refusing to vote for Trump helps Clinton. basselope Jun 2016 #245

Not when it doesn't include a corrosponding vote FOR Clinton. baldguy Jun 2016 #246

I'm not. basselope Jun 2016 #247

Cripes! Still more from Johnny One Note there. bvf Jun 2016 #216

Of course she can. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #96

So eager to see this conversation end SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #104

Sanders has no say in the matter. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #108

Obama will destroy him next week if he makes the wrong choice. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #114

Since when is the loser in charge of this? nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #120

He thinks he can boss her around. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #124

And he's exactly right Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #130

New California poll says over 65% of Sanders voters will vote Clinton in November... Hekate Jun 2016 #134

That's it? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #146

"He just forfeited a speaking slot at the convention." From your lips to God's ears! Number23 Jun 2016 #136

Wow, did you see the bit in your article from Warren? Number23 Jun 2016 #137

If he pretends Clinton hasn't won after Tuesday, what will geek tragedy Jun 2016 #138

Assuming she is winning once the voting is over, he should endorse her. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #143

Seems obvious. Though I have to admit I thought geek tragedy Jun 2016 #151

Exactly. Which is why people shouldn't act like this is unprecedented. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #163

It's too close. She cannot win on pledged delegates alone. senz Jun 2016 #152

I get it, but I also believe it is proper for the SDs to go with the person who got more votes. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #162

In this case, the one who is ahead in votes senz Jun 2016 #165

Right now I'm just gonna let the voting finish. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #170

That's cool. senz Jun 2016 #171

Neither can Sanders. It was never intended that the nominee win with pledged delegates alone. baldguy Jun 2016 #190

No, I'm applying it to both equally. senz Jun 2016 #221

Although I'm really digging that Bernie is making all the HRC supporters freak out aikoaiko Jun 2016 #145

For one it means no convention speech for him geek tragedy Jun 2016 #147

I would think HRC would not want Bernie to speak aikoaiko Jun 2016 #158

If he wants to bash Trump and promote Hilkary then he should geek tragedy Jun 2016 #160

Well I think if Betnie speaks it will be supportive of HRC but aikoaiko Jun 2016 #161

If that's the case then he's lying to his supporters about taking it to the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #148

Bernie lies to his supporters all the time. Tax returns he said he was releasing, dishonest BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #149

I thought you guys liked it when politicians "evolve" Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #164

He's not evolving so much as grasping at straws. baldguy Jun 2016 #191

whatever. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #222

I think we had to understand what taking it to the convention means. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #155

Bernie is telling the truth. senz Jun 2016 #150

His "play pretend" schtick is getting old and tiresome. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #154

Part of me hopes he does go through with his threats geek tragedy Jun 2016 #156

It already HAS gone up in smoke. He's making an ass of himself now. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #227

Here to help anyone who has trouble with numbers MFM008 Jun 2016 #168

As long as my candidate is still in the race and neither candidate has the required B Calm Jun 2016 #169

You candidate is out on Tuesday Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #179

That's nice. She's still going to declare victory and take over the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #195

geek tragedy you gave me some good advice back when this started ucrdem Jun 2016 #172

Why is it that the more seemingly certain bvf Jun 2016 #177

Sorry Sanders Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #178

Sanders is now the Black Knight baldguy Jun 2016 #181

Meet the Press: Sanders looks small R B Garr Jun 2016 #192

is there a video link or transcript? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #207

Not sure yet. I'm West Coast, and MSNBC is replaying MtP at 11:00 a.m. my time. R B Garr Jun 2016 #210

Here is a link, but it's to the entire show. It's towards the last 3 minutes R B Garr Jun 2016 #212

Voters don't count! Only wishes do! MineralMan Jun 2016 #193

He's apparently intent on helping Trump win Maven Jun 2016 #197

"We'll beat Trump without him." rock Jun 2016 #214

Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #225

I don't care what he says. RandySF Jun 2016 #228

He's really milking his last few days of having a traveling press corps...isn't he? anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #236

Another 6 weeks of finger wagging nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #238