2016 Postmortem

lancer78

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132. Red states already

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:30 AM

Jun 2016

have fewer delegates than blue states based on population. California only has 50% more people then Texas, but has more then double the number of pledged delegates. Sanders lost because from Louisiana to North Carolina and everywhere in-between except Florida, he only won 10 counties.

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Sanders: Clinton can't declare victory if she wins the voting [View all] geek tragedy Jun 2016 OP

He already lost scscholar Jun 2016 #1

When he stops threatening to disrupt and decides the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #2

He isn't trying to steal anything. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #88

Yu hu. He pushed most of us to the side as it is. seabeyond Jun 2016 #93

I would be because he lost the primary ...he got less votes Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #98

There is not going to be a Sanders administration. I know it will take a long time for some to upaloopa Jun 2016 #110

True Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #119

The primary contest has been over for some time now Gothmog Jun 2016 #118

Then why is it still going on? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #141

The answer to you question is hidden here, can you find it ? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #159

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #235

If he loses the voting, his only moral choice is to concede nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #122

He's trying to claim Clinton hasn't won when she has. baldguy Jun 2016 #183

Only the majority of Democratic voters. Good to know you all think we're "no one". eom tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #188

There isn't going to be one pandr32 Jun 2016 #202

Bernie Sanders ego... lol... he just wants what is best for the country, he doesn't give MillennialDem Jun 2016 #199

which is why he's scalp-hunting against Barney Frank and Dan Malloy geek tragedy Jun 2016 #203

Bernie would probably throw himself on a grenade to get his policies implemented. He really MillennialDem Jun 2016 #204

so you expect him to do everything possible to help Clinton defeat Trump geek tragedy Jun 2016 #206

He almost certainly will. We'll just have to wait and see. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #208

I really, truly hope you are right and I am completely, embarrassingly wrong geek tragedy Jun 2016 #209

It appears that we will have to beat Trump without him. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #3

If you want to follow the rules, the nominee is decided at the convention. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #4

Impending nominee? annavictorious Jun 2016 #53

Bernie is making it up as he goes along, clearly. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #76

2026.Yes. This is the number that says it all, Tuesday. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #77

sanders has NO say in the nomination process, hillary has the majority beachbum bob Jun 2016 #5

They should send Cornel West packing. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10

I think we can quit the pretense that these primaries equate to voting in any sense of the word. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #6

Votes count even when they're not for Bernie. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #8

Okay, go on with the pretense if you must. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #18

Gone on with your denial if you must. upaloopa Jun 2016 #111

Nope, mine is fact. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #112

Excuses, excuses Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #99

You actually have the audacity to claim that primaries are not voting? -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #139

The votes for Hillary count too. She has millions more than Bernie. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #248

He is demanding we all get blinded in his fairy dust storm. I can't see.... Lol. seabeyond Jun 2016 #7

I guess Cornel wont be getting ball tickets bravenak Jun 2016 #9

He should be kicked off the platform committee. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11

Damn straight bravenak Jun 2016 #13

No one one his side will explain why HE doesn't have to win with majority of pledged, though... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #12

Women only get .79 delegates for each delegate a man gets. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14

Also,votes from "Confederate" states don't count. sufrommich Jun 2016 #24

They count as 3/5 of a delegate. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #26

And again! PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #38

...Ditto TwilightZone Jun 2016 #45

Red states already lancer78 Jun 2016 #132

Well done! PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #37

Bravo and... TwilightZone Jun 2016 #44

K&R....nt Henhouse Jun 2016 #63

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #240

That is what I have noticed most about Sanders and his campaign. Hypocrisy. Mind blowing seabeyond Jun 2016 #17

His heroes are Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro geek tragedy Jun 2016 #51

Not to mention thinking food lines are.... cool. Lol. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #52

Heh. Great little subthread, guys. Hekate Jun 2016 #135

I can't wait for this fool's 15 minutes to be over. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #15

I'll be donating to Al Giordano's campaign in 2018 nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #16

If a majority of Delegates say they'll vote for you... brooklynite Jun 2016 #19

I hope the superdelegates take extra safety precautions geek tragedy Jun 2016 #20

The "SuperDelegate Hit List" certainly doesn't help... brooklynite Jun 2016 #28

Will the chairs be bolted down in Philly? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #30

snickers....not the chairs again....n/t Henhouse Jun 2016 #64

Their votes only count after they actually vote. surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #39

And they vote for the candidate with the majority of pledged delegates and the majority of the upaloopa Jun 2016 #115

There is no such rule. surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #174

I'm trying to see this as all justified talk to not suppress Tuesday's voter turnout. moriah Jun 2016 #21

I expect the other 100+ super delegates have already made up their minds. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33

I also know if Bernie pulls off a mathematical miracle, enough Hillary superdelegates... moriah Jun 2016 #40

If he wins NJ and Cali unanimously, you bet. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #41

Bernie's going to play this the same way Reagan did in the GOP in 1976 andym Jun 2016 #22

Sanders won't come close. I doubt he'll get a single super to switch.nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #25

To be fair, one super did switch from Bernie to Hillary Sheepshank Jun 2016 #133

I agree Bernie will have trouble getting the superdelegates to switch andym Jun 2016 #239

He will not get to speak Gomez163 Jun 2016 #27

Probably correct andym Jun 2016 #34

He will get to give a speech geek tragedy Jun 2016 #35

What exactly will they be protesting? nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #81

TBD nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #121

Protesting that Bernie lost apparently. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #140

Democracy, apparently. baldguy Jun 2016 #184

Not the same at all Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #100

the unpledged delegates were elected delegates dsc Jun 2016 #194

But history is richer than you think... andym Jun 2016 #213

Call in the Sandman already! frazzled Jun 2016 #23

President Obama may have to step in. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #29

lol MFM008 Jun 2016 #166

In 2008, 2117 delegates were needed to win. Obama only had 1,828½ pledged delegates. That's reality. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #31

He is such a disappointment.... apcalc Jun 2016 #32

He is courageous. And he is within his rights. senz Jun 2016 #167

Nonsense Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #180

Reagan and Clinton destroyed the progressive momentum. senz Jun 2016 #218

That is bullshit Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #243

He's a self-aggrandizing, self-important whiner. baldguy Jun 2016 #185

I have never seen a politician with less ego. senz Jun 2016 #219

Bernie is wearing thin..... N/t Mohammed_Lee Jun 2016 #36

"...and will contest the nomination at the convention" Tarc Jun 2016 #42

He's going Tonya Harding. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #43

None of this is about his ego. senz Jun 2016 #153

All of this is about his ego. baldguy Jun 2016 #186

He's not looking for "a seat at the table." senz Jun 2016 #220

Since this is a democracy, that's all that will be available to him. baldguy Jun 2016 #226

This is why I have really come to dislike BS Raastan Jun 2016 #46

The emperor has no clothes. No concession, no convention speach. Period. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #47

No Cornel West on the platform committee. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #49

after 25 yrs a snoozing backbencher of little note this is his BIG moment in the spotlight nt msongs Jun 2016 #48

His big moment is a temper tantrum geek tragedy Jun 2016 #50

Clinton is not, and was never going to declare victory. annavictorious Jun 2016 #54

Why would she not declare victory after winning? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #56

Because I don't think Clinton is as dumb or clueless TimPlo Jun 2016 #58

Clinton met with Obama 2 days after the last primary geek tragedy Jun 2016 #67

She will or the media will Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #101

She WILL declare victory on Tuesday night. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #68

Sanders is lying about a contested convention to keep the small dollar donations flowing Gothmog Jun 2016 #55

I think he wants to extend his 15 minutes. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #57

2383.....victory Hillary...loss sanders beachbumbob Jun 2016 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #60

He definitely should go. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #69

I'm 100 % in favor of that! Lucinda Jun 2016 #97

There is no place for him to go except back home to Vermont. He has lost. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #107

he will be most effective back in the Senate handmade34 Jun 2016 #173

I doubt he follows through. joshcryer Jun 2016 #61

If he plans on taking it all the way to the first ballot... SidDithers Jun 2016 #62

Fair is fair. No speaking spot for Hillary before the vote, none for him. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #71

Yup... SidDithers Jun 2016 #73

Hillary the winner can speak when wants Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #102

First and only ballot Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #189

Time to cut him out of the Senate caucus MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65

He's just saying it to get his supporters out to vote Txbluedog Jun 2016 #66

Making up new rules, are you, geek? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #70

Denial is a long long river:) jcgoldie Jun 2016 #72

You tubing it? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #80

yes say it again jcgoldie Jun 2016 #125

You're the one making up new rules. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #142

Hillary conceded RobertEarl Jun 2016 #223

She has to say the magic words first. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #74

"Whatever, Bernie." nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #75

After 240 years, Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #78

Yes. Lol. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #79

Yes. I agree. I find that very telling too. skylucy Jun 2016 #83

Quite literally True nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #86

This is OP worthy. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #94

Exactly bravenak Jun 2016 #103

Spot on lunamagica Jun 2016 #126

... handmade34 Jun 2016 #175

Boom. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #196

Correct Maven Jun 2016 #198

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #241

This! mcar Jun 2016 #244

Maybe he should just regroup and prepare for 2020. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #82

At 78? I suggest he get organized and go out on the road, encouraging others in speeches seabeyond Jun 2016 #87

Yeah...that was kind of my point. He pretty much waited way to long to mount his revolution. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #91

Hey, if he really put the work in, which does not seem to trend with his lifetime, seabeyond Jun 2016 #92

I guess we'll see how dedicated he really is in the coming year. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #95

True colors..... CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #84

Shark arely staircase Jun 2016 #85

Link to confirmation that he will not be speaking at the convention? morningfog Jun 2016 #89

An active candidate Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #105

Link to that rule? morningfog Jun 2016 #113

No. It will be over. hack89 Jun 2016 #127

1992--Jerry Brown was denied a speaking slot. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #131

If both were active candidates at the time of the convention neither would get a speaking slot until Lord Magus Jun 2016 #144

I am sorry. Did you misunderstand? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #182

1992--Jerry Brown geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123

Clinton has no viable path to victory in the GE. basselope Jun 2016 #90

Yeah well your candidate can't even win among Democrats so he has no chance period. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #106

Democrats make up 29% of the electorate. basselope Jun 2016 #109

More Bernie make believe. In November Hillary will be the President elect. upaloopa Jun 2016 #117

0 chance. basselope Jun 2016 #128

She can with your support Renew Deal Jun 2016 #116

I would never vote for her. basselope Jun 2016 #129

I hear the same statement from Republican friends. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #176

So? basselope Jun 2016 #200

The you are a Trump supporter. baldguy Jun 2016 #187

No. basselope Jun 2016 #201

Only two have a chance of winning. If you don't vote for one, then you're supporting the other. baldguy Jun 2016 #205

I won't vote for Trump. basselope Jun 2016 #211

The only way to ensure Trump is defeated is to *VOTE FOR* his only viable opponent, Hillary Clinton. baldguy Jun 2016 #215

I am not voting for EITHER. basselope Jun 2016 #217

Then you are a supporter of Trump's candidacy. baldguy Jun 2016 #224

No. basselope Jun 2016 #229

If you don't vote for Clinton, then you're supporting Trump. baldguy Jun 2016 #230

If I don't vote for Trump, then I'm supporting Clinton. basselope Jun 2016 #231

That's not how it works. But you knew that. baldguy Jun 2016 #232

But, I'm not voting for Trump... so then you must be happy. basselope Jun 2016 #233

See #215 baldguy Jun 2016 #234

You can't have it both ways. basselope Jun 2016 #237

And you can't deny the fact that refusing to vote for Clinton helps Trump. baldguy Jun 2016 #242

And you can't deny the fact that refusing to vote for Trump helps Clinton. basselope Jun 2016 #245

Not when it doesn't include a corrosponding vote FOR Clinton. baldguy Jun 2016 #246

I'm not. basselope Jun 2016 #247

Cripes! Still more from Johnny One Note there. bvf Jun 2016 #216

Of course she can. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #96

So eager to see this conversation end SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #104

Sanders has no say in the matter. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #108

Obama will destroy him next week if he makes the wrong choice. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #114

Since when is the loser in charge of this? nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #120

He thinks he can boss her around. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #124

And he's exactly right Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #130

New California poll says over 65% of Sanders voters will vote Clinton in November... Hekate Jun 2016 #134

That's it? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #146

"He just forfeited a speaking slot at the convention." From your lips to God's ears! Number23 Jun 2016 #136

Wow, did you see the bit in your article from Warren? Number23 Jun 2016 #137

If he pretends Clinton hasn't won after Tuesday, what will geek tragedy Jun 2016 #138

Assuming she is winning once the voting is over, he should endorse her. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #143

Seems obvious. Though I have to admit I thought geek tragedy Jun 2016 #151

Exactly. Which is why people shouldn't act like this is unprecedented. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #163

It's too close. She cannot win on pledged delegates alone. senz Jun 2016 #152

I get it, but I also believe it is proper for the SDs to go with the person who got more votes. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #162

In this case, the one who is ahead in votes senz Jun 2016 #165

Right now I'm just gonna let the voting finish. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #170

That's cool. senz Jun 2016 #171

Neither can Sanders. It was never intended that the nominee win with pledged delegates alone. baldguy Jun 2016 #190

No, I'm applying it to both equally. senz Jun 2016 #221

Although I'm really digging that Bernie is making all the HRC supporters freak out aikoaiko Jun 2016 #145

For one it means no convention speech for him geek tragedy Jun 2016 #147

I would think HRC would not want Bernie to speak aikoaiko Jun 2016 #158

If he wants to bash Trump and promote Hilkary then he should geek tragedy Jun 2016 #160

Well I think if Betnie speaks it will be supportive of HRC but aikoaiko Jun 2016 #161

If that's the case then he's lying to his supporters about taking it to the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #148

Bernie lies to his supporters all the time. Tax returns he said he was releasing, dishonest BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #149

I thought you guys liked it when politicians "evolve" Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #164

He's not evolving so much as grasping at straws. baldguy Jun 2016 #191

whatever. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #222

I think we had to understand what taking it to the convention means. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #155

Bernie is telling the truth. senz Jun 2016 #150

His "play pretend" schtick is getting old and tiresome. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #154

Part of me hopes he does go through with his threats geek tragedy Jun 2016 #156

It already HAS gone up in smoke. He's making an ass of himself now. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #227

Here to help anyone who has trouble with numbers MFM008 Jun 2016 #168

As long as my candidate is still in the race and neither candidate has the required B Calm Jun 2016 #169

You candidate is out on Tuesday Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #179

That's nice. She's still going to declare victory and take over the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #195

geek tragedy you gave me some good advice back when this started ucrdem Jun 2016 #172

Why is it that the more seemingly certain bvf Jun 2016 #177

Sorry Sanders Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #178

Sanders is now the Black Knight baldguy Jun 2016 #181

Meet the Press: Sanders looks small R B Garr Jun 2016 #192

is there a video link or transcript? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #207

Not sure yet. I'm West Coast, and MSNBC is replaying MtP at 11:00 a.m. my time. R B Garr Jun 2016 #210

Here is a link, but it's to the entire show. It's towards the last 3 minutes R B Garr Jun 2016 #212

Voters don't count! Only wishes do! MineralMan Jun 2016 #193

He's apparently intent on helping Trump win Maven Jun 2016 #197

"We'll beat Trump without him." rock Jun 2016 #214

Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #225

I don't care what he says. RandySF Jun 2016 #228

He's really milking his last few days of having a traveling press corps...isn't he? anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #236

Another 6 weeks of finger wagging nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #238