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2016 Postmortem

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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:34 AM Jun 2016

Warren is Trying to Unite the Democratic Party, But All She's Doing is Betraying Progressives [View all]

Last edited Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:42 PM - Edit history (2)

NOTE: People are tired of being sold out by the political class and MANY NO LONGER trust politicians to speak even a modicum of truth. Bernie's LONG HISTORY on sticking to his principles is one of the major reasons people support him. The political insiders are really misreading how fed up people are.

Update: Warren can attack Trump until the cows come home. Yippee! However, that does not prove that she isn't for propping up the status quo. There are Status Quo Democrats aplenty attacking Trump. People are trying to tell you that attacking the other side is NO LONGER enough, but you refuse to listen. This is not about Trump. This is about what in the hell the Democratic Party stands for.

Elizabeth Warren is seen by many as the heart of the Democratic Party. She bridges the gap between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton supporters. Both sides have sought her endorsement and have large factions within them that want her as the Vice-President. Given the rise of the ‘Bernie Or Bust’ Movement, Clinton and her allies are looking to Warren as a means of delivering progressive votes in November. However, not even Elizabeth Warren can save the Democratic Party should Clinton win the nomination, and any attempt by her to do so will be seen as betrayal in the eyes of progressives who were already let down when she did not endorse Bernie Sanders.

It seems clear that Warren’s Twitter arguments are an effort to unite the party. There is a general attitude among Democratic Party leaders (and many in the media) that Donald Trump is electoral poison, and no matter how much people don’t like or trust Hillary Clinton, the prospect of The Donald in the White House is so frightening it will bring Democrats together. But this analysis completely misses why Trump (and Bernie) are so popular, and underestimates exactly how discontented people are.

Economic and political inequality are replacing social issues as the lens through which we define left/right politics. On both sides of the aisle, Americans are fed up with the inequity that has come to define our system which favors wealth and power over popular mandate. After roughly four decades of middle class decline and stagnation while more and more of the total income goes to the top one percent, Americans want change. They are rejecting the current political establishment on both sides of the aisle.

Sanders supporters see the 2016 election as a revolt against systemic corruption, and view the current establishment and Hillary Clinton as a part of that corruption.

For her part, Elizabeth Warren cannot bring Sanders supporters and the current establishment together. She cannot erase the history that has led to this moment. All the Massachusetts Senator can do is alienate her own supporters by attempting to do so, and carrying water for the establishment.

But the biggest hurdle to unity which Warren will not be able to overcome is Hillary Clinton herself. Not only is she unable undo the parts of the former Secretary’s record that bother progressives, or unravel her connections to special interests and big money, she cannot ease concerns over Clinton’s honesty.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/05/elizabeth-warren-is-trying-to-unite-the-democratic.html

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Is there room for for Elizabeth Warren under that bus? n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #1
A grade school taunt doesn't address the issue. Skwmom Jun 2016 #5
Stating that Elizabeth Warren is "betraying progressives" is juvenile, at best n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #21
Liz Is Self Serving... WORTHLESS! She Had Her Chance To Stand Up For What She Talks About, BUT... CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #198
WTF right? ExtraGriz Jun 2016 #204
Contrived issues arent worth addressing puffy socks Jun 2016 #22
Single payer, a living wage, family leave, against death penalty, FAIR trade, free public college think Jun 2016 #40
No one on this board are against those things brush Jun 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #66
Trump is not beating our nominee. He will lose spectacularly. brush Jun 2016 #78
All a reasonable person has to do is to take a look at the electoral map. HRC landslide in November. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #104
Who said I was against any of those? puffy socks Jun 2016 #65
Your hate rant sucked. Enjoy your day also.... think Jun 2016 #68
Aw u mad puffy socks Jun 2016 #73
No. Just calling out your crap. think Jun 2016 #75
so niw you get to tell me what I am for? puffy socks Jun 2016 #156
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:16 AM Your another April drop of trolls. 900+ posts Phlem Jun 2016 #101
$1,000,000 buys a lot of Brockoli,... HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #115
And 4 hidden posts already! QC Jun 2016 #134
Get those accusations in. In another nine days you won't be able to do it. Nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #232
Whatever chief. Your history is embarrassing at best. Phlem Jun 2016 #234
I have nothing to be embarrassed about. But your silly attacks on new DUers stevenleser Jun 2016 #238
Uh huh. Against Hillary till the neoliberal gravy train comes by then Phlem Jun 2016 #241
Actually, it's par for the course. It's all they got. libdem4life Jun 2016 #226
There is always room under the bus. (nt) apnu Jun 2016 #52
there is only ONE true progressive, only one man deserving to be President. The Almighty Bernie... wyldwolf Jun 2016 #240
The Revolution will not be spurned! LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #2
LOL Scurrilous Jun 2016 #230
Attacking Warren? bravenak Jun 2016 #3
Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer too Renew Deal Jun 2016 #51
Aaaaaaaand, the day of Elizabeth Warren trashing has arrived! YouDig Jun 2016 #4
Starry Messenger and I were taking bets obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #82
On the way! You called it! Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #90
Yay! obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #93
There is no fury like a Berner scorned. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #174
Camp weathervane tossed her under the bus months ago. blackspade Jun 2016 #205
Shame on Elizabeth Warren for attacking Donald Trump. Skinner Jun 2016 #6
You know that's not the issue being addressed. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #16
The author of the article makes clear that the catalyst for his article.. Skinner Jun 2016 #28
Well done. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2016 #42
Wow, that's some good spin. And a "proof" too! BillZBubb Jun 2016 #49
LOL, you just proved my point. Skinner Jun 2016 #54
LOL. No I didn't. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #58
But attacking Trump and failing to endorse in the primary are not related things. Skinner Jun 2016 #70
I believe I was pointing out that for Warren's future prospects, self-serving might be a good thing. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #91
I agree with you pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #208
I know you'd like to use the same tactics as in the past trudyco Jun 2016 #64
Logic shmogic. This is The Revolution. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #80
Haha, Trump is the opponent of all of us who belong on this website. Get it? n/t seaglass Jun 2016 #81
LOL sarae Jun 2016 #184
There's nothing "logical" about drawing False Equivalencies between Trump and HRC emulatorloo Jun 2016 #126
Nobody who says Hillary is more the enemy than Trump Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #128
Well, I can see where they might be coming from. Beartracks Jun 2016 #231
That's because those "progressives" aren't Democrats BainsBane Jun 2016 #151
Skinner actually used true scientific/logic proof obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #86
Sorry, he didn't. Note the "if" and FUTURE TENSE in the first predicate. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #95
Well yes, he did obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #100
Wrong. If the predicate contains a conditional and a future tense, it doesn't hold water. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #135
No, he refers to the past too: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #188
I like your use of logic but trudyco Jun 2016 #57
Extremely well stated! pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #59
You are making the exact same argument as the article, and my logic still applies. Skinner Jun 2016 #60
Nope. Your logic is based on faulty assumptions. Therefore your conclusion is wrong. trudyco Jun 2016 #69
There it is again! Skinner Jun 2016 #74
Ah, maybe I misunderstood you trudyco Jun 2016 #84
I think unifying the party is one reason she is doing it, yes. Skinner Jun 2016 #123
Who is not "flawed"? George II Jun 2016 #140
Fortunately, any "deep divide" that exists in the D Party stopbush Jun 2016 #221
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #114
Nice proof! wildeyed Jun 2016 #142
Attacking Trump is not enough. She refuses to address the problems within Skwmom Jun 2016 #207
Not Funny And Off The Mark cantbeserious Jun 2016 #30
See my subsequent post above. Skinner Jun 2016 #37
I Did - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2016 #39
Under the bus with you, Skinner! Zorro Jun 2016 #122
lolz obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #85
Did you graduate from the Dennis Miller School of Comedic Arts? corkhead Jun 2016 #117
That is NOT the issue. She can attack Trump until the cows come Skwmom Jun 2016 #127
Nice spin pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #209
here is more of the ideological "purity test" crap and why we don't stand for it beachbum bob Jun 2016 #7
what's so extreme about the positions Sanders has carved out? which Exilednight Jun 2016 #33
Canned speech of 30 years .. beachbum bob Jun 2016 #147
i will try this again. What issues do you take issue with? I'm not asking about speeches or Exilednight Jun 2016 #155
They got nothing but taunts and insults. Bernie is an old-style, libdem4life Jun 2016 #227
I don't think "Walter Bragman" is a real person. wildeyed Jun 2016 #143
We're gonna need a bigger bus. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #8
Man, that bus undercarriage is getting quite a workout lately Tarc Jun 2016 #9
You said it man!! GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #129
Clinton is supported by progressives, is a progressive, and has progressive policies. seabeyond Jun 2016 #10
Hardly - HRC Is A Corprotist To The Core cantbeserious Jun 2016 #31
Nu uh seabeyond Jun 2016 #34
Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently cantbeserious Jun 2016 #36
And your opinion..... only seabeyond Jun 2016 #38
And Therein Lies The Truth And The Tragedy Of A Corporate Controlled Political System cantbeserious Jun 2016 #43
Unfortunately for you, not enough to get Berie the nomination redstateblues Jun 2016 #67
Keep Shitting On Senator Warren If You Wish emulatorloo Jun 2016 #102
But but Republicans hate her!!! /sarcasm uponit7771 Jun 2016 #116
many repubs support her. jack_krass Jun 2016 #166
Wall St didn't giver her 100s of millions to be a progressive. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #118
NRA didn't fund Sanders to be progressive. seabeyond Jun 2016 #131
Well, hell, who knows Sanders and Clinton better? Warren or some media pundit? randome Jun 2016 #11
Save us Saint Bernie!!! /sarcasm BootinUp Jun 2016 #12
Warren has shown herself to be a calculating, cynical politician. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #13
Or she knew what many of us knew on DU some time ago: Sanders was never a real possibility. randome Jun 2016 #23
That is illogical. Why not endorse Hillary then? BillZBubb Jun 2016 #62
I don't know. I don't really like her, either. randome Jun 2016 #71
She is seriously misreading the tea leaves. Many people are NO longer willing to rely on pretty Skwmom Jun 2016 #27
Roger That cantbeserious Jun 2016 #32
Just wow mythology Jun 2016 #89
I think you confuse Hero Worship with Ideals trudyco Jun 2016 #107
+1,000,000 Skwmom Jun 2016 #150
It makes me think of Pascal's Wager DookDook Jun 2016 #44
I imagine yours is the best spin available to thiose trailing in second. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #108
Your response is typical Hillary fan drivel. The "we're winning, you're losing" game is asinine. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #137
I like it when people write something in the subject line Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #228
'Cowardly'? Attacking trump is fucking 'cowardly'? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #193
That's your spin pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #213
Calculating yes pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #212
The first inkling of the notion that she will openly back Hillary, and you guys stab her. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #14
She cheered Clinton's blame it on the regulators financial plan, ignored Clinton's refusal to Skwmom Jun 2016 #24
I guess that'll be the new meme, excuse and justification for the next week or two. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #109
what Senate mJority. we are the minority and will stay there. Exilednight Jun 2016 #41
New to politics, aren't ya? tonyt53 Jun 2016 #76
what six seats can we win? Exilednight Jun 2016 #125
FL, IL, OH, PA and WI will flip. AZ, MO and NC are possible with Trump's anti-coattails. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #169
There are 2 independents, who may or may not caucus with us. Exilednight Jun 2016 #172
Are you joking? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #235
The truth is that voters have rejected Bernie Sanders redstateblues Jun 2016 #15
I imagine Sanders will get the same treatment from the sufrommich Jun 2016 #17
Elizabeth Warren hasn't endorsed either candidate, so her attacks on Trump are meant to weaken him Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #18
Up is down. Black is white. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #237
Love Warren. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #19
Loved Warren laserhaas Jun 2016 #26
I agree with that. The Party is better for having her. She's a fighter too. floriduck Jun 2016 #94
Good God. This is what's wrong with the way Bernie talks about things. Zynx Jun 2016 #20
Sanders says "this is where I stand" and makes no apologies. He doesn't claim to be the mikehiggins Jun 2016 #47
Bullshit. You've obviously never listened to Bernie. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #53
LOL, under the bus, under the bus! FSogol Jun 2016 #25
She better save some room under that bus for Bernie. He'll likely be joining her there, soon. (nt) stone space Jun 2016 #29
Warren.... UNDER the bus. seabeyond Jun 2016 #35
Oh for the love of God.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #45
She has to play it down the middle in order to fight for us mmonk Jun 2016 #46
The true "progressives" are on board for the GE. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #48
And the bus rolls back and forth over Warren. nt WhiteTara Jun 2016 #50
She lost a lot of credibility with the left by not stepping up and endorsing Bernie. Zorra Jun 2016 #55
Too bad Sanders couldn't step up and build coalitions among his co-workers. randome Jun 2016 #61
I could say the same about Clinton. blackspade Jun 2016 #206
She was Sone of the first people who asked Hillary to run for President obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #88
No she didn't. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #168
He was and is a better candidate pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #203
Elizabeth Warren will NOT be thrown under the bus. MineralMan Jun 2016 #63
We have been saving your seat for you, Elizabeth! Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #72
She should have backed Sanders right from jump street yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #77
right on! Merryland Jun 2016 #98
And under the bus goes Elizabeth Warren obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #79
I wished she endorsed Bernie early, but she has to protect herself from Clinton vindicteness aikoaiko Jun 2016 #83
What vindictiveness? You mean like not paying off Bernie's debt, nor paying for his Rome trip? LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #92
When the Clintons feel betrayed, there can be "hostilities". aikoaiko Jun 2016 #97
Elizabeth is establishment of her own volition. She worked closely with the Obama administration LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #112
Well that doesn't explain why she didn't endorse early like the masses. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #124
I agree she is threading the needle. But I think that Hillary gets that. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #139
What a horrible thing to say about Senator Warren. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #87
I agree, Skwmom Merryland Jun 2016 #96
So she's either stupid or calculating? These are the reasons? displacedtexan Jun 2016 #199
So you wouldn't want her for VP ...am I right? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #103
It was only a matter of time before Senator Warren was thrown under the bus Gothmog Jun 2016 #105
I'm deeply dissapointed she did not step up azmom Jun 2016 #106
This, incidentally, is why I am *certain* Sanders's fans would abandon him in 20 seconds Recursion Jun 2016 #110
What does Rocky de la Fuente think about this? obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #111
Two, I hear the bus coming RandySF Jun 2016 #113
Nobody expects the Emoprog Inquisition. OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #119
Marxists ARE the true left, and I am one of them obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #121
There's an exception to every rule. OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #149
LOL pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #214
+ 1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #148
they will demand a Walk of Atonement for her. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #175
Warren is the best hope for reuniting the party after HRC departs leveymg Jun 2016 #120
Hillary is not going anywhere, other than the WH. Beacool Jun 2016 #153
I agree that she will win the GE. But let's just suppose, hypothetically, that this race was won by StevieM Jun 2016 #161
Ah, so Warren is now part of the evil 'establishment' because she attacks Trump instead of Hillary Maven Jun 2016 #130
Nope pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #215
I certainly do not feel betrayed. djean111 Jun 2016 #132
"She cannot erase the history that has led to this moment." 2banon Jun 2016 #133
. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #176
Wow...just wow. Do they ever look into a mirror and have some self-reflection? anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #136
Warren can't say anything to make me like HRC, but Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #138
TRAITOR!!!!! zappaman Jun 2016 #141
When Sanders stumps for Clinton an angel's wings will be torn off! tandem5 Jun 2016 #144
That is absolutely correct! Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #165
TRUMP is the enemy. Unity is what we need. Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #145
Bwahahaha ... the "movement" wanted Warren long before it "accepted" Bernie ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #146
Actions Speak Louder Than Words pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #216
she is our diplomat and will sooth arguments- we need a liason in the senate larkrake Jun 2016 #152
Sheesh, nothing but the best for the oppressed, n'est ce pas? DinahMoeHum Jun 2016 #154
More purist claptrap from people who are shortsighted. Beacool Jun 2016 #157
If you aren't for systemic corruption and a govt that caters to the 1% while screwing the poor and Skwmom Jun 2016 #164
I for one agree with the article dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #158
Maybe she just disagrees with you? Isn't that a remote possibility? (eom) StevieM Jun 2016 #162
People are fed up with the rigged system and the status quo. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #159
"Elizabeth Warren is betraying progressives." I've heard it all now. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #160
This is getting more ridiculous by the day bravenak Jun 2016 #163
I think it passed peak ridiculousness about 2 months ago. sarae Jun 2016 #187
I am trying to wait patiently bravenak Jun 2016 #189
Someone please define "the establishment" Zambero Jun 2016 #167
Warren doesn't "bridge the gap", she's a better more effective progressive senator than Bernie. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #170
You said this perfectly obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #217
Skwmom—I am considering this more. Meaning… CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #171
You're right. Except that, imo, if progressism grows, she'll become a viable candidate in 2020. ancianita Jun 2016 #192
now the Faith Militant are attacking Warren geek tragedy Jun 2016 #173
It was a finch, goddamnit! randome Jun 2016 #179
High Sparrow geek tragedy Jun 2016 #181
Okay, I didn't get the connection, not being a GoT fan. randome Jun 2016 #182
It's kinda eerie actually nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #183
As a staunch Bernie supporter, I have to disagree with the word "betrayal" Android3.14 Jun 2016 #177
But you're left with rotten eggs when you embrace a corrupt and broken system to prop it up. Skwmom Jun 2016 #191
Always room for any Democrat Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #178
If people within the Democratic Party are so fed up justiceischeap Jun 2016 #180
Warren is a demagogue. joshcryer Jun 2016 #185
Betraying progressives is the new normal for the Democratic Party. 99Forever Jun 2016 #186
So, when Sanders drops out and endorses Clinton, as he has said he would... TwilightZone Jun 2016 #190
49 people recommend a thread that says Warren attacking Trump is a betrayal of progressives muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #194
Yep and Andy823 Jun 2016 #200
That's your spin pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #220
You don't seem to have read this - 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #224
Not Convincing pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #225
Remember, we've got plenty of Trump supporters trolling this place. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #233
What so many don't seem to get LWolf Jun 2016 #195
Jeez. News flash. 99% of the people in this country are not suffering redstateblues Jun 2016 #210
Jeez. LWolf Jun 2016 #211
I knew it EW is now under the bus! book_worm Jun 2016 #196
What, no EW VP? Jesus....you guys turn on a dime... kjones Jun 2016 #197
At least she is trying to unite the party Andy823 Jun 2016 #201
Another post by someone who is neither progressive nor a Democrat tandot Jun 2016 #202
He has explicitly said he will encourage people to not vote for the Democratic nominee for president oberliner Jun 2016 #219
From the author of: "I’m a millennial and I’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton" oberliner Jun 2016 #218
Sanders supporters hurry and preemptivly throw Warren under the bus.... Sheepshank Jun 2016 #222
Warren, Chomsky, eventually Sanders...all under the bus. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #223
What happens when Bernie endorses Hillary? Is he going under the bus too? Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #229
Of course. Then it will be "I can't believe I supported him only for him to sell out" stevenleser Jun 2016 #239
Oh enough of this Tea-Left insanity. Please, go to TrumpLand and practice crazy there. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #236
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