2016 Postmortem

bravenak

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37. I agree

Reply to forjusticethunders (Reply #33)

Sat May 28, 2016, 06:11 PM

May 2016

We have to taylor our message and our policies to include the poor as well and stop the shaming behaviours

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It's Time to Look in the Mirror, Bernie: Sanders Needs to be Criticized for his Failed Theories [View all] bravenak May 2016 OP

This is at Salon? onehandle May 2016 #1

Yep bravenak May 2016 #3

I was surprised also Gothmog May 2016 #100

people with all sorts of ideas post at salon, it may have more people writing liberal, but there hollysmom May 2016 #32

Now even the kitchen sink has been tossed into it today. hobbit709 May 2016 #2

It's wild in gdp bravenak May 2016 #4

I actually agree with that. Most of those voters prefer to vote their bigotry cali May 2016 #5

I watch them do it year after year, no fail bravenak May 2016 #8

I bought my buddies kid a beer for using the "N" word when talking about Obama. My brewens May 2016 #16

That's a different strategy. How did it turn out? brush May 2016 #131

Oh yes they do. It amazes me Autumn May 2016 #62

They like to cozy up to the rich because as they are temporarily between millions. brush May 2016 #129

Good article. nt BootinUp May 2016 #6

She always comes through bravenak May 2016 #12

Race baiting! XemaSab May 2016 #7

Bull bravenak May 2016 #10

Serious question: XemaSab May 2016 #20

No I don't bravenak May 2016 #23

Thank you XemaSab May 2016 #26

I agree. hollysmom May 2016 #41

Heaven knows I have my differences with bravenak, but she isn't cali May 2016 #28

That's such a right wing phrase. PeaceNikki May 2016 #30

Race baiting is what Trump does. brush May 2016 #133

Look at the NPR link, he does NOT say white voters - the NPR interview posits the question that way. ebayfool May 2016 #9

Oh, he said it elsewhere bravenak May 2016 #11

You made the statement, provide the link. I already proved your OP was based on non-fact. ebayfool May 2016 #24

Here: bravenak May 2016 #34

In the NPR interview he does not say what YOU interpret it to mean. ebayfool May 2016 #56

Damn right I disagree! bravenak May 2016 #63

Ok. Can you tell me what policies Clinton proposes (that Sanders does not) that address your ... ebayfool May 2016 #66

She wants more anti discrimination laws and accepts as fact that racial concerns need to be bravenak May 2016 #74

Lol pot meet kettle azurnoir May 2016 #122

I once thought you were real bravenak May 2016 #124

real what? I am singular and very real ETA and old enough to remember azurnoir May 2016 #125

I do not believe you bravenak May 2016 #132

Well then don't believe me , but out of curiosity what is it you don't believe me about? azurnoir May 2016 #135

I do agree with that and it's a shame that whites doing well economically lose sight of all minor- floriduck May 2016 #102

I agree with you bravenak May 2016 #106

Now that's scummy. polly7 May 2016 #35

K&R for visibility. Good find, Bravenak lunamagica May 2016 #13

Maybe we need a bunch of mirrors bravenak May 2016 #18

Your Republican theories on economics betrays you. mmonk May 2016 #14

Who are you TALKING ABOUT? bravenak May 2016 #15

The racists left for the Republican Party in the 60's. mmonk May 2016 #51

Black anericans have done better and better every single year SINCE that time. Our wages are still bravenak May 2016 #53

Except, that "theory" was never advanced by Bernie Sanders. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #17

He has been advancing that very theory over and over bravenak May 2016 #19

He never pushed the whole "whats the matter with kansas" line, marcotte made that up. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #36

Oh really? bravenak May 2016 #47

Do you have a link on the context of that statement? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #48

Yep bravenak May 2016 #50

surely you'd agree, if "you shouldn't vote based upon your color" is an admonishment to white voters Warren DeMontague May 2016 #69

He was speaking of AA's in tht same breath. Nothing about it being whites who vote based on skin bravenak May 2016 #70

Yes, it's out of context. ebayfool May 2016 #59

See post #56 n/t ebayfool May 2016 #60

A hint: Don't bother. Debating brick walls only gives one a headache. Armstead May 2016 #84

+10,000 nt Live and Learn May 2016 #123

Not just that forjusticethunders May 2016 #21

Yep bravenak May 2016 #27

With that said, the Dems have been too tilted towards the middle and upper middle classes forjusticethunders May 2016 #33

I agree bravenak May 2016 #37

Yes people should look in mirrors, perhaps they will see their own ugliness Autumn May 2016 #22

Umm hmm bravenak May 2016 #25

Umm hmm Autumn May 2016 #45

Matthew 7:3-5. nt msanthrope May 2016 #68

Nah, not my type of book or philosophy. Autumn May 2016 #71

Ah... good old Amanda "Rape-loving scum" Marcotte.. opiate69 May 2016 #29

It is the same as Obama speaking of the same reagan Democrats as voting their guns and religion karynnj May 2016 #31

You might be right bravenak May 2016 #39

the ignroance that was displayed in this article is beyond reason hollysmom May 2016 #38

This is why Sanders did not appeal to the rest of us bravenak May 2016 #40

I believe you are replying to someone else. hollysmom May 2016 #42

No, read it again Recursion May 2016 #78

I so miss the 'unrec' feature................................ alittlelark May 2016 #43

We have ignore... bravenak May 2016 #46

I have over 300 on 'ignore' - most low post count alittlelark May 2016 #64

Oooohhhh! bravenak May 2016 #65

Post #30 has an excellent bit of info on the extra special folks that use the terms "race Number23 May 2016 #73

Can't read it - that poster is already on 'ignore. alittlelark May 2016 #97

"working class" is not synonymous with "white"... ljm2002 May 2016 #44

Bernie Sanders is doing better than Clinton in polls against Trump Eric J in MN May 2016 #49

Mc Cain was beating Obama in the polls this far out. Means nothing. bravenak May 2016 #52

The article calls the response to Sanders' populism 'a giant whiff.' Eric J in MN May 2016 #57

I am not understanding what you mean bravenak May 2016 #61

Just an opinion piece katsy May 2016 #54

"white people who vote Republican simply put a priority on maintaining racial and gender hierarchies Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #55

Very insulting. bravenak May 2016 #58

What Sanders did say is "Well, I am focusing on the fact that whether you're white or black ..." ebayfool May 2016 #67

Paging Starry Messenger! Starry please pick up the rainbow phone at reception Number23 May 2016 #72

I am so happy that people are finally talking about this. FINALLY! bravenak May 2016 #75

Now you get one of the MANY reasons that Starry is a host in the AA group, even though she's.. WHITE Number23 May 2016 #76

Oh my god, her whiteness upsets them ever so much. Cracks me up! bravenak May 2016 #77

What the hell good is a coalition for if it is not advancing the interests of participanmts? Armstead May 2016 #87

Are you saying you believe there are policies BootinUp May 2016 #90

No and I don't know where you got that from Armstead May 2016 #94

Its not that complicated, the coalition also includes those BootinUp May 2016 #95

This is lessabout Sanders and more about core issues and values. Armstead May 2016 #96

The door is open for the white working class to join the coalition forjusticethunders May 2016 #105

There are millions of people in the white working class Armstead May 2016 #109

Your post is so embarassing I think I'm just going to pretend that you didn't write it. Number23 May 2016 #107

Some of the craop I read here is embarrassing focusing on differences and rejecting.... Armstead May 2016 #108

Great piece (nt) Recursion May 2016 #79

An attempt to change focus a bit.... hopefully for the better calm_thinker May 2016 #80

You have to understand bravenak May 2016 #82

I understand, and your emotions are valid calm_thinker May 2016 #83

Oh, no, you're fine bravenak May 2016 #85

Glad I didn't offend, but as a hypothetical calm_thinker May 2016 #89

Nope. But there will be less demand for the unskilled, uneducated, or trained labor. bravenak May 2016 #93

ok good, more money is ok (not disagreeing with the validity of issues you raise in your replies) calm_thinker May 2016 #98

K&R baldguy May 2016 #81

"and that won’t change no matter how many goodies you offer them" lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #86

People vote against their own economic interest all the time. wildeyed May 2016 #88

No thank you Salon. I'd rather Thank Senator Sanders for what he brings to our Primary process. Sunlei May 2016 #91

Look no further than Venezuela... Kang Colby May 2016 #92

Great OP Gothmog May 2016 #99

we are not a socialist country and to have policies that offer free stuff and say we beachbum bob May 2016 #101

Get the money out of politics rickford66 May 2016 #103

allowing a trump to be elected won't get the money out of politics...the prospect of 3 Supreme beachbum bob May 2016 #113

So Hillary is going to get the money out of politics? rickford66 May 2016 #114

His message lacks specificity that is necessary to draw a majority of voters bravenak May 2016 #104

So you think that a massive federal jobs program won't help black people and other minorities too? Time for change May 2016 #110

We get left out. I want affirmative action applied to any and all programs or i am not interested. bravenak May 2016 #111

So why do you think that affirmative action wouldn't be applied to a federal jobs program Time for change May 2016 #140

Did Bernie ever once say it would? If so, I never once heard him saying he would apply affirmative bravenak May 2016 #142

Rated 97% by NAACP on affirmative action Time for change May 2016 #145

That is for PAST positions! bravenak May 2016 #146

He's been consistent on that Time for change May 2016 #147

Exactly. Because he did not include it in his platform. Not satisfactory bravenak May 2016 #148

Probably not very much, no Recursion May 2016 #112

more "NO YOU CAN'T" from Team Hindenburg TheSarcastinator May 2016 #115

It beat the brakes off Bernie bravenak May 2016 #120

Yeah, because you like the message. nt JCanete May 2016 #151

But it is all about economics. It really really is. Just take a tiny peak at human psychology. JCanete May 2016 #116

You are wrong to tell black people it is not about race when you do not experience it bravenak May 2016 #119

So you didn't read my post did you? I was pointing out how they were connected. nt JCanete May 2016 #149

"Your issues are not/less important" is NOT A UNIFYING MESSAGE nt forjusticethunders May 2016 #138

Who's message is that? You can't just make shit up and say it's Bernie's or mine. JCanete May 2016 #150

its hard to see 40-45% of primary voters as a failure. aikoaiko May 2016 #117

She wants them to respect that they are not the majority bravenak May 2016 #121

Fair enough. I realize that white males are not the majority in the party or the country. aikoaiko May 2016 #134

The same as us without the power to boss the rest of us around. That is what she offers. Equality. bravenak May 2016 #143

Hmm. She offers equality. That's interesting. aikoaiko May 2016 #144

It's not just ethnic superiority, it's playing up that they are the only "true Americans" andym May 2016 #118

More projection: Hillary's status quo policies are what keeps us all down and in our place. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #126

She keeps us down without even being elected. Magic! bravenak May 2016 #127

She was elected to the Senate and she influenced policy for years as SOS and first lady. Live and Learn May 2016 #128

Her record is much deeper than bernie's, eh? bravenak May 2016 #130

Her influence on the status quo was. But I guess you like things as they are. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #136

Better than having bernie take over bravenak May 2016 #137

Good to know you won't be complaining anymore if Hillary gets elected. Live and Learn May 2016 #139

Wait, there is more to it than that GulfCoast66 May 2016 #141