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2016 Postmortem

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:29 PM May 2016

It's Time to Look in the Mirror, Bernie: Sanders Needs to be Criticized for his Failed Theories [View all]




It’s a really appealing theory, in no small part because the Democrats used to have broad appeal to white voters in the old days, and if they could win back voters that defected to the Republicans decades ago while keeping the majority of non-white voters, they’d have an unstoppable coalition.

Sanders himself is a huge proponent of this theory. In 2014, he told NPR that the reason Democrats lost the white vote is because “if you are in the working class, you are struggling to keep your heads above water.” He suggested the way to win them back is for Democrats to suggest “a massive federal jobs program.”

Critics of this theory, including myself, have suggested that, as nice as it would be to believe that it’s all about economics, the likelier reason is that white people who vote Republican simply put a priority on maintaining racial and gender hierarchies over economic justice, and that won’t change no matter how many goodies you offer them.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/28/its_time_to_look_in_the_mirror_bernie_now_more_than_ever_sanders_needs_to_be_criticized_for_his_failed_political_theories/
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This is at Salon? onehandle May 2016 #1
Yep bravenak May 2016 #3
I was surprised also Gothmog May 2016 #100
people with all sorts of ideas post at salon, it may have more people writing liberal, but there hollysmom May 2016 #32
Now even the kitchen sink has been tossed into it today. hobbit709 May 2016 #2
It's wild in gdp bravenak May 2016 #4
I actually agree with that. Most of those voters prefer to vote their bigotry cali May 2016 #5
I watch them do it year after year, no fail bravenak May 2016 #8
I bought my buddies kid a beer for using the "N" word when talking about Obama. My brewens May 2016 #16
That's a different strategy. How did it turn out? brush May 2016 #131
Oh yes they do. It amazes me Autumn May 2016 #62
They like to cozy up to the rich because as they are temporarily between millions. brush May 2016 #129
Good article. nt BootinUp May 2016 #6
She always comes through bravenak May 2016 #12
Race baiting! XemaSab May 2016 #7
Bull bravenak May 2016 #10
Serious question: XemaSab May 2016 #20
No I don't bravenak May 2016 #23
Thank you XemaSab May 2016 #26
I agree. hollysmom May 2016 #41
Heaven knows I have my differences with bravenak, but she isn't cali May 2016 #28
That's such a right wing phrase. PeaceNikki May 2016 #30
Race baiting is what Trump does. brush May 2016 #133
Look at the NPR link, he does NOT say white voters - the NPR interview posits the question that way. ebayfool May 2016 #9
Oh, he said it elsewhere bravenak May 2016 #11
You made the statement, provide the link. I already proved your OP was based on non-fact. ebayfool May 2016 #24
Here: bravenak May 2016 #34
In the NPR interview he does not say what YOU interpret it to mean. ebayfool May 2016 #56
Damn right I disagree! bravenak May 2016 #63
Ok. Can you tell me what policies Clinton proposes (that Sanders does not) that address your ... ebayfool May 2016 #66
She wants more anti discrimination laws and accepts as fact that racial concerns need to be bravenak May 2016 #74
Lol pot meet kettle azurnoir May 2016 #122
I once thought you were real bravenak May 2016 #124
real what? I am singular and very real ETA and old enough to remember azurnoir May 2016 #125
I do not believe you bravenak May 2016 #132
Well then don't believe me , but out of curiosity what is it you don't believe me about? azurnoir May 2016 #135
I do agree with that and it's a shame that whites doing well economically lose sight of all minor- floriduck May 2016 #102
I agree with you bravenak May 2016 #106
Now that's scummy. polly7 May 2016 #35
K&R for visibility. Good find, Bravenak lunamagica May 2016 #13
Maybe we need a bunch of mirrors bravenak May 2016 #18
Your Republican theories on economics betrays you. mmonk May 2016 #14
Who are you TALKING ABOUT? bravenak May 2016 #15
The racists left for the Republican Party in the 60's. mmonk May 2016 #51
Black anericans have done better and better every single year SINCE that time. Our wages are still bravenak May 2016 #53
Except, that "theory" was never advanced by Bernie Sanders. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #17
He has been advancing that very theory over and over bravenak May 2016 #19
He never pushed the whole "whats the matter with kansas" line, marcotte made that up. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #36
Oh really? bravenak May 2016 #47
Do you have a link on the context of that statement? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #48
Yep bravenak May 2016 #50
surely you'd agree, if "you shouldn't vote based upon your color" is an admonishment to white voters Warren DeMontague May 2016 #69
He was speaking of AA's in tht same breath. Nothing about it being whites who vote based on skin bravenak May 2016 #70
Yes, it's out of context. ebayfool May 2016 #59
See post #56 n/t ebayfool May 2016 #60
A hint: Don't bother. Debating brick walls only gives one a headache. Armstead May 2016 #84
+10,000 nt Live and Learn May 2016 #123
Not just that forjusticethunders May 2016 #21
Yep bravenak May 2016 #27
With that said, the Dems have been too tilted towards the middle and upper middle classes forjusticethunders May 2016 #33
I agree bravenak May 2016 #37
Yes people should look in mirrors, perhaps they will see their own ugliness Autumn May 2016 #22
Umm hmm bravenak May 2016 #25
Umm hmm Autumn May 2016 #45
Matthew 7:3-5. nt msanthrope May 2016 #68
Nah, not my type of book or philosophy. Autumn May 2016 #71
Ah... good old Amanda "Rape-loving scum" Marcotte.. opiate69 May 2016 #29
It is the same as Obama speaking of the same reagan Democrats as voting their guns and religion karynnj May 2016 #31
You might be right bravenak May 2016 #39
the ignroance that was displayed in this article is beyond reason hollysmom May 2016 #38
This is why Sanders did not appeal to the rest of us bravenak May 2016 #40
I believe you are replying to someone else. hollysmom May 2016 #42
No, read it again Recursion May 2016 #78
I so miss the 'unrec' feature................................ alittlelark May 2016 #43
We have ignore... bravenak May 2016 #46
I have over 300 on 'ignore' - most low post count alittlelark May 2016 #64
Oooohhhh! bravenak May 2016 #65
Post #30 has an excellent bit of info on the extra special folks that use the terms "race Number23 May 2016 #73
Can't read it - that poster is already on 'ignore. alittlelark May 2016 #97
"working class" is not synonymous with "white"... ljm2002 May 2016 #44
Bernie Sanders is doing better than Clinton in polls against Trump Eric J in MN May 2016 #49
Mc Cain was beating Obama in the polls this far out. Means nothing. bravenak May 2016 #52
The article calls the response to Sanders' populism 'a giant whiff.' Eric J in MN May 2016 #57
I am not understanding what you mean bravenak May 2016 #61
Just an opinion piece katsy May 2016 #54
"white people who vote Republican simply put a priority on maintaining racial and gender hierarchies Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #55
Very insulting. bravenak May 2016 #58
What Sanders did say is "Well, I am focusing on the fact that whether you're white or black ..." ebayfool May 2016 #67
Paging Starry Messenger! Starry please pick up the rainbow phone at reception Number23 May 2016 #72
I am so happy that people are finally talking about this. FINALLY! bravenak May 2016 #75
Now you get one of the MANY reasons that Starry is a host in the AA group, even though she's.. WHITE Number23 May 2016 #76
Oh my god, her whiteness upsets them ever so much. Cracks me up! bravenak May 2016 #77
What the hell good is a coalition for if it is not advancing the interests of participanmts? Armstead May 2016 #87
Are you saying you believe there are policies BootinUp May 2016 #90
No and I don't know where you got that from Armstead May 2016 #94
Its not that complicated, the coalition also includes those BootinUp May 2016 #95
This is lessabout Sanders and more about core issues and values. Armstead May 2016 #96
The door is open for the white working class to join the coalition forjusticethunders May 2016 #105
There are millions of people in the white working class Armstead May 2016 #109
Your post is so embarassing I think I'm just going to pretend that you didn't write it. Number23 May 2016 #107
Some of the craop I read here is embarrassing focusing on differences and rejecting.... Armstead May 2016 #108
Great piece (nt) Recursion May 2016 #79
An attempt to change focus a bit.... hopefully for the better calm_thinker May 2016 #80
You have to understand bravenak May 2016 #82
I understand, and your emotions are valid calm_thinker May 2016 #83
Oh, no, you're fine bravenak May 2016 #85
Glad I didn't offend, but as a hypothetical calm_thinker May 2016 #89
Nope. But there will be less demand for the unskilled, uneducated, or trained labor. bravenak May 2016 #93
ok good, more money is ok (not disagreeing with the validity of issues you raise in your replies) calm_thinker May 2016 #98
K&R baldguy May 2016 #81
"and that won’t change no matter how many goodies you offer them" lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #86
People vote against their own economic interest all the time. wildeyed May 2016 #88
No thank you Salon. I'd rather Thank Senator Sanders for what he brings to our Primary process. Sunlei May 2016 #91
Look no further than Venezuela... Kang Colby May 2016 #92
Great OP Gothmog May 2016 #99
we are not a socialist country and to have policies that offer free stuff and say we beachbum bob May 2016 #101
Get the money out of politics rickford66 May 2016 #103
allowing a trump to be elected won't get the money out of politics...the prospect of 3 Supreme beachbum bob May 2016 #113
So Hillary is going to get the money out of politics? rickford66 May 2016 #114
His message lacks specificity that is necessary to draw a majority of voters bravenak May 2016 #104
So you think that a massive federal jobs program won't help black people and other minorities too? Time for change May 2016 #110
We get left out. I want affirmative action applied to any and all programs or i am not interested. bravenak May 2016 #111
So why do you think that affirmative action wouldn't be applied to a federal jobs program Time for change May 2016 #140
Did Bernie ever once say it would? If so, I never once heard him saying he would apply affirmative bravenak May 2016 #142
Rated 97% by NAACP on affirmative action Time for change May 2016 #145
That is for PAST positions! bravenak May 2016 #146
He's been consistent on that Time for change May 2016 #147
Exactly. Because he did not include it in his platform. Not satisfactory bravenak May 2016 #148
Probably not very much, no Recursion May 2016 #112
more "NO YOU CAN'T" from Team Hindenburg TheSarcastinator May 2016 #115
It beat the brakes off Bernie bravenak May 2016 #120
Yeah, because you like the message. nt JCanete May 2016 #151
But it is all about economics. It really really is. Just take a tiny peak at human psychology. JCanete May 2016 #116
You are wrong to tell black people it is not about race when you do not experience it bravenak May 2016 #119
So you didn't read my post did you? I was pointing out how they were connected. nt JCanete May 2016 #149
"Your issues are not/less important" is NOT A UNIFYING MESSAGE nt forjusticethunders May 2016 #138
Who's message is that? You can't just make shit up and say it's Bernie's or mine. JCanete May 2016 #150
its hard to see 40-45% of primary voters as a failure. aikoaiko May 2016 #117
She wants them to respect that they are not the majority bravenak May 2016 #121
Fair enough. I realize that white males are not the majority in the party or the country. aikoaiko May 2016 #134
The same as us without the power to boss the rest of us around. That is what she offers. Equality. bravenak May 2016 #143
Hmm. She offers equality. That's interesting. aikoaiko May 2016 #144
It's not just ethnic superiority, it's playing up that they are the only "true Americans" andym May 2016 #118
More projection: Hillary's status quo policies are what keeps us all down and in our place. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #126
She keeps us down without even being elected. Magic! bravenak May 2016 #127
She was elected to the Senate and she influenced policy for years as SOS and first lady. Live and Learn May 2016 #128
Her record is much deeper than bernie's, eh? bravenak May 2016 #130
Her influence on the status quo was. But I guess you like things as they are. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #136
Better than having bernie take over bravenak May 2016 #137
Good to know you won't be complaining anymore if Hillary gets elected. Live and Learn May 2016 #139
Wait, there is more to it than that GulfCoast66 May 2016 #141
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