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Showing Original Post only (View all)It's Time to Look in the Mirror, Bernie: Sanders Needs to be Criticized for his Failed Theories [View all]
Its a really appealing theory, in no small part because the Democrats used to have broad appeal to white voters in the old days, and if they could win back voters that defected to the Republicans decades ago while keeping the majority of non-white voters, theyd have an unstoppable coalition.
Sanders himself is a huge proponent of this theory. In 2014, he told NPR that the reason Democrats lost the white vote is because if you are in the working class, you are struggling to keep your heads above water. He suggested the way to win them back is for Democrats to suggest a massive federal jobs program.
Critics of this theory, including myself, have suggested that, as nice as it would be to believe that its all about economics, the likelier reason is that white people who vote Republican simply put a priority on maintaining racial and gender hierarchies over economic justice, and that wont change no matter how many goodies you offer them.
Sanders himself is a huge proponent of this theory. In 2014, he told NPR that the reason Democrats lost the white vote is because if you are in the working class, you are struggling to keep your heads above water. He suggested the way to win them back is for Democrats to suggest a massive federal jobs program.
Critics of this theory, including myself, have suggested that, as nice as it would be to believe that its all about economics, the likelier reason is that white people who vote Republican simply put a priority on maintaining racial and gender hierarchies over economic justice, and that wont change no matter how many goodies you offer them.
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/28/its_time_to_look_in_the_mirror_bernie_now_more_than_ever_sanders_needs_to_be_criticized_for_his_failed_political_theories/
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It's Time to Look in the Mirror, Bernie: Sanders Needs to be Criticized for his Failed Theories [View all]
bravenak
May 2016
OP
people with all sorts of ideas post at salon, it may have more people writing liberal, but there
hollysmom
May 2016
#32
I bought my buddies kid a beer for using the "N" word when talking about Obama. My
brewens
May 2016
#16
They like to cozy up to the rich because as they are temporarily between millions.
brush
May 2016
#129
Look at the NPR link, he does NOT say white voters - the NPR interview posits the question that way.
ebayfool
May 2016
#9
You made the statement, provide the link. I already proved your OP was based on non-fact.
ebayfool
May 2016
#24
Ok. Can you tell me what policies Clinton proposes (that Sanders does not) that address your ...
ebayfool
May 2016
#66
She wants more anti discrimination laws and accepts as fact that racial concerns need to be
bravenak
May 2016
#74
Well then don't believe me , but out of curiosity what is it you don't believe me about?
azurnoir
May 2016
#135
I do agree with that and it's a shame that whites doing well economically lose sight of all minor-
floriduck
May 2016
#102
Black anericans have done better and better every single year SINCE that time. Our wages are still
bravenak
May 2016
#53
He never pushed the whole "whats the matter with kansas" line, marcotte made that up.
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#36
surely you'd agree, if "you shouldn't vote based upon your color" is an admonishment to white voters
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#69
He was speaking of AA's in tht same breath. Nothing about it being whites who vote based on skin
bravenak
May 2016
#70
With that said, the Dems have been too tilted towards the middle and upper middle classes
forjusticethunders
May 2016
#33
It is the same as Obama speaking of the same reagan Democrats as voting their guns and religion
karynnj
May 2016
#31
Post #30 has an excellent bit of info on the extra special folks that use the terms "race
Number23
May 2016
#73
"white people who vote Republican simply put a priority on maintaining racial and gender hierarchies
Agnosticsherbet
May 2016
#55
What Sanders did say is "Well, I am focusing on the fact that whether you're white or black ..."
ebayfool
May 2016
#67
Now you get one of the MANY reasons that Starry is a host in the AA group, even though she's.. WHITE
Number23
May 2016
#76
What the hell good is a coalition for if it is not advancing the interests of participanmts?
Armstead
May 2016
#87
Your post is so embarassing I think I'm just going to pretend that you didn't write it.
Number23
May 2016
#107
Some of the craop I read here is embarrassing focusing on differences and rejecting....
Armstead
May 2016
#108
Nope. But there will be less demand for the unskilled, uneducated, or trained labor.
bravenak
May 2016
#93
ok good, more money is ok (not disagreeing with the validity of issues you raise in your replies)
calm_thinker
May 2016
#98
No thank you Salon. I'd rather Thank Senator Sanders for what he brings to our Primary process.
Sunlei
May 2016
#91
we are not a socialist country and to have policies that offer free stuff and say we
beachbum bob
May 2016
#101
allowing a trump to be elected won't get the money out of politics...the prospect of 3 Supreme
beachbum bob
May 2016
#113
So you think that a massive federal jobs program won't help black people and other minorities too?
Time for change
May 2016
#110
We get left out. I want affirmative action applied to any and all programs or i am not interested.
bravenak
May 2016
#111
So why do you think that affirmative action wouldn't be applied to a federal jobs program
Time for change
May 2016
#140
Did Bernie ever once say it would? If so, I never once heard him saying he would apply affirmative
bravenak
May 2016
#142
But it is all about economics. It really really is. Just take a tiny peak at human psychology.
JCanete
May 2016
#116
You are wrong to tell black people it is not about race when you do not experience it
bravenak
May 2016
#119
So you didn't read my post did you? I was pointing out how they were connected. nt
JCanete
May 2016
#149
Who's message is that? You can't just make shit up and say it's Bernie's or mine.
JCanete
May 2016
#150
Fair enough. I realize that white males are not the majority in the party or the country.
aikoaiko
May 2016
#134
The same as us without the power to boss the rest of us around. That is what she offers. Equality.
bravenak
May 2016
#143
It's not just ethnic superiority, it's playing up that they are the only "true Americans"
andym
May 2016
#118
More projection: Hillary's status quo policies are what keeps us all down and in our place. nt
Live and Learn
May 2016
#126
She was elected to the Senate and she influenced policy for years as SOS and first lady.
Live and Learn
May 2016
#128
Her influence on the status quo was. But I guess you like things as they are. nt
Live and Learn
May 2016
#136