The Hillary Camp is incorrect to insist that *72% of Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary*

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19. You're saying Bernie supporters will support Trump then?

or otherwise support him?

Okay, if you say so. I guess it makes sense that people who resent electoral democracy and can't come to terms with the fact that people besides themselves have a say in voting for elected officials would want to stay in the Democratic Party. I still don't think that applies to most Sanders supporters--at least not the ones who identify as Democrats.


As a matter of methodology, you dispute polls because they survey all voters and not just primary voters and caucus attendees, but then say:

Lastly, that 72% of his supporters who voted in the Democratic primaries and indicated that they would vote for Hillary, if the only choice they had was her or Trump, has probably decreased significantly in this last week. The survey for this poll began May 13th, the day before the contentious Nevada State Democratic Convention, and ended May 17th, while the Hillary campaign was falsely maligning Sanders supporters with allegation of violence at the convention, but before the those allegations were debunked as lies. Negative impressions of the Democratic party by Sanders supporters have soared since then and previous intentions by some of his supporters to resignedly vote for the Democratic nominee have undoubtedly hardened into resolve to not only NOT EVER vote for Hillary, but to now leave the Democratic party.

I wasn't at the convention so I can't say exactly what happened, but I do know a lot of people see the situation differently. I've also heard with my own ears the threats of violence and misogynistic insults left on the voice mail of the NV Party Chair, and I do know that fact checkers have ruled that Sanders and his supporters claims about being cheated at the convention are false. I've also observed that some Sanders supporters see any point of disagreement as a "lie" and claim all kinds of things are "debunked" when the "debunking" amounts to no more than someone telling them what they want to hear, without evidence.

But leaving all that aside, your assumption that the majority of Sanders supporters share your particular view of that event and decide that their version of it is more important than the next four years of the country, and that nullifies any polls, is not an empirically sound. Your rage over the exposure/discussion/interpretation of events at that convention do not suffice as evidence to refute polling data.

You have, however, certainly expressed your own intent clearly enough. You plan to not vote for Democrats in the future and instead help Trump win the presidency. Bully for you.

I might suppose those who follow such a course may get some sort of satisfaction from punishing the majority of voters who refused to vote as commanded, and that they look forward to seeing voting rights, reproductive rights, LGBT rights, social security benefits, etc... stripped away through a Trump presidency. None of that surprises me because it's become increasingly clear that the only consistent goal in that movement you feel so attached to is subjugating the majority to rule by a self entitled few. The rage that all Americans are able to vote and that they exercise that franchise according to their own interests is something the Bernie or Bust types seem to resent more than anything else. They seem to be having a great deal of difficulty adjusting to the changing demographics of the US, at least when it comes to how those demographics choose to exercise their votes.