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2016 Postmortem

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forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:28 AM May 2016

Bernie Sanders is doing severe damage to Leftist politics. [View all]

Expecting to get flamed by the usual suspects but riddle me this, after the shitshow of the past few months, how the hell do you sell a leftist candidate now? How do you push a quasi-socialist or socialist candidate without them being associated with the last "socialist" candidate? How close are we to having left-wing politics associated with chaos and anarchy and misogyny?

Remember when we were saying that "Sanders has rehabilitated the word socialism"? I'm not sure about that anymore, now that the Sanders movement has spent the past few months reenacting the worst stereotypes and smears of the Right. Everything that conservatives have said about left-wingers for years is being acted out by the BernieBros, from immaturity to excuse-making to laziness. How are not just conservatives but moderate Dems (the people we have to move leftwing to even have a shot) gonna look at this and say "See, this is what socialism is really about!"?

This is what happened in 68 where a lot of people looked at the radicals then and said "Nope, not for me" and pulled the lever for Nixon. Now,Trump is no Nixon, Nixon wasn't crazy and he was a very competent politician, evil as he was. But the parallels are there.

Believe it or not, you can't just declare victory just because everyone in your bubble agrees with you, you have to convince people outside said bubble, and that has become that much harder.

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"How close are we to having left-wing politics associated with chaos and anarchy and misogyny?" TCJ70 May 2016 #1
democratic party isn't lefist Robbins May 2016 #2
OH BULL! Sheepshank May 2016 #4
Oh bull yourself. KPN May 2016 #16
Ayup LondonReign2 May 2016 #49
Oh joy, another yellow button passiveporcupine May 2016 #27
Bad Bernie. Here have a hug Autumn May 2016 #3
Then tell David Brock and his minions to quit attacking leftist policies as myrna minx May 2016 #5
Here they come. frylock May 2016 #6
There you go passiveporcupine May 2016 #29
Hunh? frylock May 2016 #32
Translation: Bernie is scaring the SHIT out of the oligarchs, warmongers, and corrupt esablishment jack_krass May 2016 #7
There's a more fundamental problem, that the die-hard leftists actually like YouDig May 2016 #8
And some of you love economic inequality and cali May 2016 #20
Except people are actually blaming Barbara Boxer. YouDig May 2016 #23
The violence at the 1968 DNC helped liberal icon Hubert Humphrey lose the election to Nixon baldguy May 2016 #9
Actually Nixons southern strategy took effect Skink May 2016 #10
LBJ's war gave us Nixon. Not those who opposed the war. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #12
Another yellow button passiveporcupine May 2016 #31
What is your solution? walkingman May 2016 #45
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #11
You are so right. It's the same with all idealoges - the inabiltiy to compromise never ends well. anotherproletariat May 2016 #13
If we're going to compromise, I prefer that we get something. A compromise is not losing less. nt JCanete May 2016 #41
It's Third Way that has been doing do for thirty years. Betty Karlson May 2016 #14
Exactly!! N/t tokenlib May 2016 #22
Exactly to the point Ferd Berfel May 2016 #24
Nice! kayakjohnny May 2016 #42
Brock should stop attacking him then. Goblinmonger May 2016 #15
+1! KPN May 2016 #17
Kinda funny RobertEarl May 2016 #18
Cool story bro. You and the rest of the DINOS should be cheering that. Doctor_J May 2016 #19
...by introducing it to the Democratic Establishment? Orsino May 2016 #21
Berner is showing what it means to not give up on a cause. He's doing fine. aikoaiko May 2016 #25
"Sanders has rehabilitated the word socialism" workinclasszero May 2016 #26
.... bkkyosemite May 2016 #28
There are a lot of us. Either let us in, or lock us out. Take your pick. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #30
We're already in. We are the Democratic Party...which is sometimes libdem4life May 2016 #35
I have an idea. Stop being one of the water carriers trying to destroy leftist politics. JCanete May 2016 #33
we should eat our peas and appease our republidem overlords elehhhhna May 2016 #37
+1 Melissa G May 2016 #50
Who uses the word "leftist"? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #34
Never mind Sanders. This is the guy who truly damaged the "leftist" brand RufusTFirefly May 2016 #43
Republicans. nt. sibelian May 2016 #52
Sure, in the mind of some right-wingers. Broward May 2016 #36
Bernie is not doing damage to the Left DemocraticSocialist8 May 2016 #38
Yes! And Ben Carson has ruined things for AA Presidential candidates RufusTFirefly May 2016 #39
Bernie! Quit now before they start calling you a loser!!!! lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #40
Socialism....yikes EndElectoral May 2016 #44
Sanders cares about Sanders. NT arely staircase May 2016 #46
So promoting leftist political positions is damaging those positions? libtodeath May 2016 #47
How could he damage something that was on life support until his run? bobbobbins01 May 2016 #48
Another crock of Brock Depaysement May 2016 #51
"you can't just declare victory just because everyone in your bubble agrees with you" Rex May 2016 #53
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