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2016 Postmortem

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silvershadow

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Wed May 18, 2016, 07:20 PM May 2016

Make No Mistake, Sandersism Has Defeated Clintonism [View all]

Make No Mistake, Sandersism Has Defeated Clintonism

05/18/2016 02:23 pm ET |

Seth Abramson
Attorney; Assistant Professor, UNH; Series Editor, Best American Experimental Writing

In 2008, Hillary Clinton — on her way to losing the Democratic nomination — won nine of the final 25 nominating contests. In 2016, she may well — despite being treated as the likely winner of this year’s Democratic primary by the mainstream media — win only seven or eight of the final 25 state primaries and caucuses.

If you’re wondering how Clinton could perform worse in the second half of the election cycle in 2016 than she did in 2008 and still be in a position to win, there’s a good explanation for it that goes beyond the fact that the neck-and-neck Democratic primary race we’ve had for over two months started with a brief but solid run for Clinton. In 2008, both Democratic candidates were sanctioned by Party elders, so super-delegates were free to pick whoever they thought was the stronger candidate without fear of reprisal. In 2016, super-delegates are expected to go with Clinton even if the insurgent Sanders has clearly shown himself, by mid-June, to be the stronger general-election candidate in terms of both head-to-head match-ups with Trump, favorability ratings among independent voters, and performance in the second half of the nominating season.

Super-delegates will fall into line — the thinking goes — not because Clinton is a strong general-election bet, or liked by many people, or a real spokeswoman for the ideology of the Party base, or able to win independents, or nearly the same candidate in May that she was in February, or capable of winning over her current Democratic opposition the way Obama did after the primary in 2008, but because Democrats in Washington have made clear that any super-delegates who back the now-stronger horse in Philadelphia this July — Sanders — will be ostracized from the Party. Fear, then, is what could make Clinton the Democratic nominee even if (a) super-delegates are officially charged with voting for the strongest general-election candidate, and (b) Clinton goes on a historic losing streak in the back half of the primary season election calendar.

But all that’s horse-race nonsense, and won’t matter very much to political historians looking back at this period in American history from the vantage point of, say, 2116.

more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/make-no-mistake-sanderism_b_10008136.html

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We are the winners RobertEarl May 2016 #1
Sure hope so. nt silvershadow May 2016 #7
I LOL'd. nt boston bean May 2016 #2
Nu uh. seabeyond May 2016 #3
If Donald Trump is elected Trenzalore May 2016 #4
Not anymore. Unless they erase the internet, which I suppose is a possibility. nt silvershadow May 2016 #6
No, if he gets elected, historians will ask why sadoldgirl May 2016 #10
Well not to sound too melodramatic Trenzalore May 2016 #14
More like Berlusconi nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #34
If the disaster happens Trenzalore May 2016 #40
Well Putin does not have to deal with the Duma nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #45
Putin has a tiny dink too? TheBlackAdder May 2016 #85
How could it be Bernie's fault if the establishment Democrats force HRC to be the nominee and Vincardog May 2016 #11
It won't be. nt silvershadow May 2016 #13
Bernie won't be writing history Trenzalore May 2016 #26
Those with power and wealth control messaging. The GOP's intense animus towards HRC... TheBlackAdder May 2016 #86
Lmao! puffy socks May 2016 #5
Obama will vote for Bernie RobertEarl May 2016 #22
Sure he will. puffy socks May 2016 #47
His wiseness tells me so RobertEarl May 2016 #49
That particular paragraph is very fact-based, puffy socks. Peace Patriot May 2016 #75
+1 silvershadow May 2016 #79
Polls are worthless puffy socks May 2016 #83
Make No Mistake, Sandersism Has Defeated Clintonism anamnua May 2016 #8
Maybe not in the polling booth RIGHT NOW, but consider 2018...[n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #12
I'll believe it when I see it. puffy socks May 2016 #48
Coast to Coast Irregularities notwithstanding. nt silvershadow May 2016 #16
The crackpot English professor again??? Bleacher Creature May 2016 #9
Whatever gets you through the night alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #15
like this?: silvershadow May 2016 #80
I was getting ready to reply to the title...then realized it was just a huffpo article. anotherproletariat May 2016 #17
I stopped paying attention to newcomers to DU months ago. nt silvershadow May 2016 #19
I've learned some of the best lessons from newcomers. It's all about doing your research. anotherproletariat May 2016 #23
I assume all newcomers are Brockbots. It was in the news. You should check it out. nt silvershadow May 2016 #25
Best lesson so far...there are very few absolutes in life. Yes, there may be paid shills out there anotherproletariat May 2016 #32
Yeah, but in the context of this very ugly primary, I assume all who enter in the midst of it silvershadow May 2016 #36
Says the person pushing the idiotic article in your original post mythology May 2016 #55
Weren't you the one who posted that California was going 2-1 for Sanders as per the "analysis" from Number23 May 2016 #76
Do you really believe that? asuhornets May 2016 #18
I believe he still has a path as long as she is under investigation. I believe, for the good of silvershadow May 2016 #81
ok asuhornets May 2016 #82
The Sanders movement has shown itself to comprised of spoiled kids throwing temper tantrums wyldwolf May 2016 #20
Nice meme to continue the narrative. This "kid" is 50-some years old. nt silvershadow May 2016 #21
these older ones never grew up. Never will. wyldwolf May 2016 #24
Nice meme. The younger ones will never learn. Those who forget history are doomed silvershadow May 2016 #27
"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." Yep, 'progressives' have either forgotten or... wyldwolf May 2016 #30
You never learned what Union Labor and FDR did for this country. nt silvershadow May 2016 #33
Completely irrelevant to the behavior of the destructive force of Sanders and his vile supporters wyldwolf May 2016 #37
Not at all. Which is why you never learned. I am dismissing you now to the trash bin. nt silvershadow May 2016 #39
Competely, FDR was a Democrat, unlike Bernie, and would have never tried to burn the party down. wyldwolf May 2016 #41
I'm fifty as well timmymoff May 2016 #50
my 'meme' is sound. Petulant pouting 'progressives' and actually dangerous this go 'round. wyldwolf May 2016 #52
Nope, Just terrible memes timmymoff May 2016 #56
So you're planning to set cars on fire in Philly? wyldwolf May 2016 #59
Nope just terrible memes timmymoff May 2016 #60
gonna lay down in the road and block traffic? LOL wyldwolf May 2016 #61
Nah, more than likely lay a foundation to finally rid the world of the cockroaches timmymoff May 2016 #62
gonna hold your breath until you turn blue...? wyldwolf May 2016 #63
No i'm good.. timmymoff May 2016 #64
oh, good. I'm sure the convention will be better without you. wyldwolf May 2016 #65
Oh I was speaking of November timmymoff May 2016 #67
I'll quote Harry Truman wyldwolf May 2016 #69
radicals are what set the agenda for the future timmymoff May 2016 #70
Too bad for you Bernie lost months ago. What he's doing is pathetic wyldwolf May 2016 #71
Yea, forcing Hillary to adopt half his platform was really a pathetic move timmymoff May 2016 #73
In time you will learn nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #29
Hmm nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #28
Thank you. I rec'd it. nt silvershadow May 2016 #31
The Actual Numbers jamese777 May 2016 #35
The only votes that count are the ones at convention. And popular votes have no bearing. silvershadow May 2016 #38
And she'll win at the convention too. (like you know ANYTHING about convention rules.) wyldwolf May 2016 #44
Popular Votes in Primaries jamese777 May 2016 #84
You should make that post an OP. Shows how the "weaker" candidate is literally mopping the floor Number23 May 2016 #78
Great Read pmorlan1 May 2016 #42
You're welcome! nt silvershadow May 2016 #43
Abramson. LOL...nt SidDithers May 2016 #46
Is this sort of like rock, paper , scissors? The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #51
Yes. Bernie is Rock. Hillary is scissors...(only because she burned her papers- silvershadow May 2016 #53
I have to hand it to you, you get an A in conspiracy 101. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #54
There's that false meme Camp HRC is pushing. Nope, it is a satire. nt silvershadow May 2016 #58
+272 pledged delegates, +3,033,824 votes says otherwise Tarc May 2016 #57
You know what? If the establishment Dems ostracize superdelegates who PatrickforO May 2016 #66
I think having the FBI investigating you trudyco May 2016 #68
Ahhh, yes, another column by one of the two Huff sycophants. Beacool May 2016 #72
I love how huffpo thinks that if they say it enough, it will miraculously become true. nt eastwestdem May 2016 #74
The owl of Minerva flies at dusk. CanadaexPat May 2016 #77
More "losing is winning" nonsense. JoePhilly May 2016 #87
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