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robbob

(3,545 posts)
77. Yes he does.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

I respect and admire many things President Obama has done, especially the way he has conducted himself in the face of unrelenting obstructionism and overt racism from his Republican opposition. Social issues, DADT, same sex marriage, the opening of relations with Iran, there are many many policies and achievements that have transpired under this historic presidency, achievements that will not be easily undone even if the GOP manages to ever win back the office. And compared to what was in place before he got in...

But on many foreign policy issues, particularly the use of unmanned drones to carry out summary executions in middle east countries he does have blood on his hands.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2015/02/02/almost-2500-killed-covert-us-drone-strikes-obama-inauguration/

Sorry, I don't know much about thebureauinvestigates.com so I apologize in advance if someone jumps in and denounces it as a right wing front (cursory investigation on wikipedia seems to validate it), but it is an undeniable fact that the USA under Obama has killed thousands, many innocent of anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I would suggest this is one of the most under-reported stories of the Obama presidency, not even worth much of a mention in the MSM, the unrelenting bomb strikes in countries that have vigorously protested these actions. Actions which I'm sure will continue or intensify under the next presidency, the new way America wages war in the world, totally illegal and unsanctioned, killing by proxy with the push of a button.

If you think I am exaggerating, just consider for one minute the reaction if a foreign power were to launch a drone strike against a target in the USA. Even if that target were someone that foreign power considered a terrorist whom it believed was formulating plots against them from the safety of the US borders. I think such an action would be considered justification for all out war against that country. Yet this is something that is tolerated and ignored in this society.

Noam Chomsky has written that, by the standards set at the Nuremberg trials, every president since then has been guilty of war crimes. Whether you agree with that statement or not, the fact is that the USA conducts itself on the global stage with impunity and disregard for the suffering and loss of lives that its policies cause.

Wouldn't it a nice change to see a government that tries to wage peace instead of war? That will not have its practices and policies viewed as "war crimes" by future generations? But who would get rich off of that?

He is both a patriot and not a moron. So of course he does. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Orrex May 2016 #12
+1 for Yes :) LeftRant May 2016 #52
Can't believe someone alerted on you. whow. riversedge May 2016 #102
Sellout. onehandle May 2016 #2
Watch out for that bus, Michael! nt Lisa0825 May 2016 #3
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #5
+2 politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #34
Good deal! Buzz Clik May 2016 #4
He's a smart man so he of course understands the necessity of this. drm604 May 2016 #6
If only some of the people here did... brooklynite May 2016 #11
I think the # of Bernie supporters here who won't vote for Hillary in November is vastly overestimated thesquanderer May 2016 #23
Oh I'd say I agree far more fully and completely with Mike than you do. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #26
Many Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton...and then take a long shower Armstead May 2016 #32
Then take a shower and be glad you can still afford the water WatchWhatISay May 2016 #37
Let's hope Hillary doesn't mdbl May 2016 #61
"The lessor of two evils... yallerdawg May 2016 #7
This wholesale paradigm shift rightward means... GoldenThunder May 2016 #62
I'm with you nt silvershadow May 2016 #63
My gawd, if they stuff another person under that damn bus the wheels will be three feet off the MADem May 2016 #8
Funnily enough, I've yet to see an actual Bernie supporter call Moore or anyone else a traitor nxylas May 2016 #57
You should check the comments by BS supporters at the link. There's shade thrown. MADem May 2016 #58
Well, the biggest problem with that FlaGranny May 2016 #64
Well, I am simply responding to the assertion that there was no push back. MADem May 2016 #65
Yes, I know you were. FlaGranny May 2016 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #80
Traitor! zappaman May 2016 #9
Under the Bernie Bus with you Michael Moore!! Jitter65 May 2016 #10
That is his right SusanLarson May 2016 #13
Another de facto vote for Trump! as is your right. Hekate May 2016 #14
Yes, it is her right. mac56 May 2016 #15
B I N G O tomm2thumbs May 2016 #59
That's your right, but I don't see why'd you do it with what's at stake. Chicago1980 May 2016 #44
I can not and will not say Hillary is "evil" robbob May 2016 #49
President Obama I'm guessing has blood on his hands because of the decisions he's made. Chicago1980 May 2016 #54
Yes he does. robbob May 2016 #77
So do you agree with all of his message, or just the unity bit? whatchamacallit May 2016 #16
Well, I do chuckle.... Adrahil May 2016 #20
Chuckle away, chuckleboy whatchamacallit May 2016 #22
Re: Pot Jokes. So far, your candidate has lost three of the four States where pot is legal Bluenorthwest May 2016 #28
You mean where recreation pot is legal. Chicago1980 May 2016 #45
People should always vote for the candidate they prefer. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #17
I vote for what the person stands for, not because they are the lesser of two evils. Ikonoklast May 2016 #30
Exactly. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #31
White hairs? GulfCoast66 May 2016 #51
Where in heaven's name FlaGranny May 2016 #66
I do not disagree GulfCoast66 May 2016 #70
I'm probably older than you. But thanks for the insults. Ikonoklast May 2016 #71
No Clinton lover here GulfCoast66 May 2016 #82
OMG!!! chervilant May 2016 #90
Perhaps GulfCoast66 May 2016 #93
Glad he's got the common sense not to default to letting Trump win Dem2 May 2016 #18
Hillary is neither a liberal nor a progressive. Fawke Em May 2016 #21
I agree with everything you said farleftlib May 2016 #39
Not in your eyes perhaps, Chicago1980 May 2016 #46
And Anthony Kennedy is the 5th most progressive justice on the SCOTUS elljay May 2016 #74
Wow... fifth out of nine. Chicago1980 May 2016 #78
Aren't statistics fun? elljay May 2016 #81
There were a lot more democratic senators, Chicago1980 May 2016 #85
You are missing the point elljay May 2016 #91
Because she's a progressive! ybbor May 2016 #113
Bernie doesn't define either term. He's the farthest to the left in the Senate -- pnwmom May 2016 #50
Good for him. He's an adult and can make up his own mind. Fawke Em May 2016 #19
Yep. I like Mr. Moore. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #29
Yeah, go for it Michael MissDeeds May 2016 #36
He is voting in a swing state, MI ybbor May 2016 #114
Personally, I'm so weak-minded that I let Michael sway me RufusTFirefly May 2016 #69
Post away. Still not going to vote for her. For any thing EVER! SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #86
Lesser of two evils is the best campaign motto for HRC. aikoaiko May 2016 #24
For progressives, that's exactly what it will be. apnu May 2016 #73
agreed. nt G_j May 2016 #25
guess he needs material for a new movie? azurnoir May 2016 #27
Lol, most clinton votes will be against the GOP, not for hill! Classic. Nt Logical May 2016 #33
Isn't That Usually The Case? TomCADem May 2016 #35
Here comes the bus!!! ronnykmarshall May 2016 #38
I still love Mike farleftlib May 2016 #40
Moral Problem with Hillary McKim May 2016 #41
Keep living in your dream world shenmue May 2016 #55
I'm a Bernie Supporter Jeb Bartlet May 2016 #42
+1 n/t pnwmom May 2016 #48
And +1 more. maddiemom May 2016 #68
+1 but also wanted to remind you, Election day is Nov. 8. apnu May 2016 #72
Jeb Bartlet, I've read hundreds of posts by Bernie supporters who say they will never Gary 50 May 2016 #89
She’s better than the alternative. Flatpicker May 2016 #43
Capitalism a love story part II. RATM435 May 2016 #47
Well hell yes! Hulk May 2016 #53
This does not read like a ringing endorsement. Ash_F May 2016 #56
it's akin to supporting maggots tomm2thumbs May 2016 #60
Your insulting maggots. Katashi_itto May 2016 #111
I don't think it's intended as a "ringing endorsement". Nye Bevan May 2016 #87
Now I guess Moore is about to go under the bus... Blue_Tires May 2016 #75
Good deal, MM knows alowing a republican to be elected is not good for progressives. Thinkingabout May 2016 #76
I have much respect for Michael Moore but he isn't going to affect whether I vote for Hillary or Akicita May 2016 #79
One positive thought The Green Manalishi May 2016 #83
Nice thought but there is no way Hillary's bankers will allow that. Akicita May 2016 #84
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.....and I feel the same way he does. marmar May 2016 #88
I live in a state chervilant May 2016 #92
So will I if she is the nominee. penndragon69 May 2016 #94
Hah. Michael Moore Openly says she won't fix anything, posted as GOOD news by Hillary supporter. Joob May 2016 #95
Maybe But She Will Keep videohead5 May 2016 #96
I agree with him democrattotheend May 2016 #97
Thank you Michael Moore for being ths smartest Bernie backer. SleeplessinSoCal May 2016 #98
Maybe the dumb guy learned his lesson after working so hard to put Bush in the White House. NNadir May 2016 #99
Of Course! 132nd Last Angry Man May 2016 #100
Of course you will Micheal. thank you. riversedge May 2016 #101
I think Moore remembers what happened in the 2000 election annavictorious May 2016 #103
Each can do what we they want PowerToThePeople May 2016 #104
I'll take it!! Feathery Scout May 2016 #105
Of course. So will I. But I won't like it. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #106
Do you all bring your own buses to these threads? How many Hillary supporters think wholly for cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #108
If he supports Hillary, then he's for "Moore of the Same" KansDem May 2016 #109
Bad Pun Hairy Harry Potlover May 2016 #112
proud Californian who just voted for Hillary Clinton, and Kamala Harris c588415 May 2016 #110
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