2016 Postmortem

ContinentalOp

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26. Or here's another way to look at it.

Thu May 5, 2016, 03:46 PM

May 2016

18-30 year olds who voted for Obama in 2012 made up 11.4% of the electorate.
30+ year olds who voted for Obama made up 39% of the electorate.

Independents who voted for Obama were 13% of the electorate.
Democrats who voted for Obama were 35% of the electorate.

Men who voted for Obama were 21% of the electorate.
Women were 29%

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The #1 key to the Democratic candidate winning in November is... [View all] Garrett78 May 2016 OP

Because DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #1

'independents'.... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #2

The fact is 'independents' aren't "a voting bloc," as some suggest. Garrett78 May 2016 #3

Ideological purists... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #5

What you call them doesn't jibe with who they are, according to numerous surveys. Garrett78 May 2016 #7

not impresssions... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #9

Check out the surveys. Garrett78 May 2016 #12

gee when you join the party those restrictions all vanish. self-selecting yourself out and then msongs May 2016 #20

WTF... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #23

Thank you firebrand80 May 2016 #10

They don't swing, instead they don't show up. RichVRichV May 2016 #88

And yet. LWolf May 2016 #70

How many Dem-leaning Independents have ever voted for a Republican or third party? RichVRichV May 2016 #86

Some "independents" can be safely be marginalized and discounted CajunBlazer May 2016 #4

I refer you to... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #6

it isn't evil powerful interests which prevent third parties from rising up in this country CajunBlazer May 2016 #28

small percentages?... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #33

Thanks for your response. CajunBlazer May 2016 #61

No misunderstanding at all... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #69

You are a "true believer' - read the book CajunBlazer May 2016 #75

reads like a threat questionseverything May 2016 #77

But the movement didn't work CajunBlazer May 2016 #84

actually we have no idea what the voters believed questionseverything May 2016 #106

Oh, I am sure there grand conspiracies throughout the country.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #107

insults like this..."Typical paranoia from the radical left. '' questionseverything May 2016 #108

Actually the paranoia of the far right and the far left has been well documented.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #109

election theft has been documented too questionseverything May 2016 #111

So you agree that many on the far left are parinoid? CajunBlazer May 2016 #112

alabama questionseverything May 2016 #113

Says one person who may well be lying CajunBlazer May 2016 #114

so i take it you sided with rove over siegleman questionseverything May 2016 #115

Huh? CajunBlazer May 2016 #116

sounds a little sanctimonious to me questionseverything May 2016 #118

Deflection noted... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #78

Your "factual points" were non existant CajunBlazer May 2016 #85

Radicals are leaders! pinebox May 2016 #87

And Bernie Sanders will also go down in history.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #93

As a footnote? pinebox May 2016 #97

The revolution is still born CajunBlazer May 2016 #99

So... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #92

Your revolution was still born... CajunBlazer May 2016 #94

And Bernie Sanders will also go down in history.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #95

nothing to 'get over'.... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #96

You don't know your biology or politics CajunBlazer May 2016 #100

Identity politics should not be offered as a substitute for progressive ideology in the party of FDR Attorney in Texas May 2016 #8

Nobody does identity politics like the GOP. Garrett78 May 2016 #11

"They do it so we should also do it" is weak justification for doing something you know to be wrong Attorney in Texas May 2016 #13

I can't help that that's what you took from my post. Garrett78 May 2016 #15

You mistake the base of the party as being a wedge. Those that dismiss us are self-marginalizing. bettyellen May 2016 #17

The base of the Democratic Party is racially inclusive. I'm not sure what party you're talking about Attorney in Texas May 2016 #22

Women and POC are the largest reliable voting blocks we Dems have. It is time to respect that bettyellen May 2016 #24

You are partly wrong and partly talking nonsense. You are wrong because Democrats are 60% white, 22% Attorney in Texas May 2016 #27

A Pew Research Center study from just a year ago... Garrett78 May 2016 #39

Are you being misleading or are you incapable of interpreting the data you linked? Attorney in Texas May 2016 #44

Nope, you're right, I misinterpreted the data. Garrett78 May 2016 #46

Thanks for clarification. No harm done. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #47

What does do harm, though... Garrett78 May 2016 #52

There can be no doubt that Hillary has regional appeal in the 13 states of the Deep South and that Attorney in Texas May 2016 #57

That's all extremely misleading for a number of reasons. Garrett78 May 2016 #58

Do you think Hillary won New Hampshire Colorado Minnesota Oklahoma Vermont Kansas Nebraska Attorney in Texas May 2016 #60

That's an arbitrary division though. ContinentalOp May 2016 #82

It is not an arbitrary division. The Old South states vote similarly, just as the West Coast states Attorney in Texas May 2016 #98

It's an arbitrary division because it's irrelevant to how voting actually works. ContinentalOp May 2016 #101

So a political party is merely a vehicle for ethnic groups to stab at each other? n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #89

^^^ This (nt) rbnyc May 2016 #110

Do you really think the large majority of liberal women and POC won't vote for Bernie in the GE? Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #14

I worry that not enough would. I worry that turnout would suffer. Garrett78 May 2016 #16

I agree turnout would suffer...but not by as much, I suspect, as you do. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #21

Yep, Republican turnout will be extremely high CajunBlazer May 2016 #103

Many are not "feeling" it. I always vote, but would be less enthusiastic with SBS. bettyellen May 2016 #18

Neither do I... tom-servo May 2016 #19

Yep, look at their constituencies based on the 2012 voter demographics. ContinentalOp May 2016 #25

Or here's another way to look at it. ContinentalOp May 2016 #26

What you fail to take into account TM99 May 2016 #59

You're making a lot of assumptions. ContinentalOp May 2016 #63

Your first paragraphs tells me TM99 May 2016 #65

Of course they're Republicans, that's my point. ContinentalOp May 2016 #66

I think the question is... tom-servo May 2016 #41

Not really. Garrett78 May 2016 #42

Kind of irrelevant isn't it? ContinentalOp May 2016 #48

Not if you want the stronger candidate... tom-servo May 2016 #62

Huh? ContinentalOp May 2016 #64

If everyone who would vote for Clinton would also vote for Sanders tom-servo May 2016 #72

Right so you're saying we should let a small minority of voters overturn the will of the majority ContinentalOp May 2016 #73

That's putting a few words in my mouth, but... tom-servo May 2016 #76

Well if she's winning then the party clearly does want it and she's clearly not the weaker candidate ContinentalOp May 2016 #80

Do you know how much of the independent vote she got in those states? tom-servo May 2016 #81

Does it matter? ContinentalOp May 2016 #83

You are saying POC and women will not show up to vote for Bernie in the GE should he win? Autumn May 2016 #29

See post #16. Garrett78 May 2016 #30

Nobody is saying that. ContinentalOp May 2016 #34

Did you miss this from the OP? Autumn May 2016 #35

Yeah I did. ContinentalOp May 2016 #37

I will comment on this, my lousy good for nothing Senator is a SD for Hillary. Autumn May 2016 #67

eh ContinentalOp May 2016 #68

Yep, that's what I wrote. Garrett78 May 2016 #40

That's 2 Keys. GeorgeGist May 2016 #31

Touché Garrett78 May 2016 #32

In 2014, Debbie tried to win without Millennials. How did that work out for you? Betty Karlson May 2016 #36

I'm sure that relates to my OP somehow. Garrett78 May 2016 #38

So you will win on conventional wisdom then? Betty Karlson May 2016 #90

Very good post, but our base, including me, are pretty much solidly Hortensis May 2016 #43

POC and Women are disproportionately affected by a lower minimum wage. Ash_F May 2016 #45

Clinton has proposed raising the minimum wage and has proposed paid maternity leave. ContinentalOp May 2016 #49

Her own words. More recent than those endorsements I think. Ash_F May 2016 #50

Those organizations likely agree with those who think Clinton is more electable. Garrett78 May 2016 #54

Anecdotal, of course - but I am a woman, and not only will I not "unite" behind Hillary, djean111 May 2016 #51

The demographic divide is as great as ever. Garrett78 May 2016 #53

Well, that's really great for her - I would think that all the orders for "unity" would be seen as djean111 May 2016 #55

Remember that DU is not representative of the population at large. Garrett78 May 2016 #56

Here is your problem quaker bill May 2016 #71

So what do you suggest we do at this point? ContinentalOp May 2016 #74

I do not attack Hillary quaker bill May 2016 #91

I think the #1 key is not having the nominee in prison YMMV Kalidurga May 2016 #79

Elizabeth Warren and VP Sanders Reiyuki May 2016 #102

You really are living in a dream world CajunBlazer May 2016 #104

save this post and check back with me mid-July. Reiyuki May 2016 #105

Based on the conventional wisdom of Hillary campaign: Resurrect Reagan. Have him endorse Hillary. CobaltBlue May 2016 #117

Nope! Joob May 2016 #119