2016 Postmortem

HumanityExperiment

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5. Ideological purists...

Thu May 5, 2016, 02:49 PM

May 2016

those that hold stronger ties to ideology are a voting bloc.. what you're leaving out is we only have a two party system within the political process here in USA...

Imagine if we have a multiparty system, which will never happen due to the powerful interests within the two parties to keep any other parties from forming let alone remaining viable...

What you call 'independents' I call more ideologically pure, and it is these folks that party 'loyalists' denigrate or marginalize much to their chagrin

Again I'll point out the SD rule that was DESIGNED by party loyalists to PREVENT another Jimmy Carter situation from ever occurring again within the DEM party... I fully expect GOP to invoke something similar to prevent another Trump situation occurring again after this election cycle

I find it highly ironic that political parties within a democratic republic society to be so adverse to actual democracy within it's very structure

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The #1 key to the Democratic candidate winning in November is... [View all] Garrett78 May 2016 OP

Because DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #1

'independents'.... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #2

The fact is 'independents' aren't "a voting bloc," as some suggest. Garrett78 May 2016 #3

Ideological purists... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #5

What you call them doesn't jibe with who they are, according to numerous surveys. Garrett78 May 2016 #7

not impresssions... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #9

Check out the surveys. Garrett78 May 2016 #12

gee when you join the party those restrictions all vanish. self-selecting yourself out and then msongs May 2016 #20

WTF... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #23

Thank you firebrand80 May 2016 #10

They don't swing, instead they don't show up. RichVRichV May 2016 #88

And yet. LWolf May 2016 #70

How many Dem-leaning Independents have ever voted for a Republican or third party? RichVRichV May 2016 #86

Some "independents" can be safely be marginalized and discounted CajunBlazer May 2016 #4

I refer you to... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #6

it isn't evil powerful interests which prevent third parties from rising up in this country CajunBlazer May 2016 #28

small percentages?... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #33

Thanks for your response. CajunBlazer May 2016 #61

No misunderstanding at all... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #69

You are a "true believer' - read the book CajunBlazer May 2016 #75

reads like a threat questionseverything May 2016 #77

But the movement didn't work CajunBlazer May 2016 #84

actually we have no idea what the voters believed questionseverything May 2016 #106

Oh, I am sure there grand conspiracies throughout the country.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #107

insults like this..."Typical paranoia from the radical left. '' questionseverything May 2016 #108

Actually the paranoia of the far right and the far left has been well documented.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #109

election theft has been documented too questionseverything May 2016 #111

So you agree that many on the far left are parinoid? CajunBlazer May 2016 #112

alabama questionseverything May 2016 #113

Says one person who may well be lying CajunBlazer May 2016 #114

so i take it you sided with rove over siegleman questionseverything May 2016 #115

Huh? CajunBlazer May 2016 #116

sounds a little sanctimonious to me questionseverything May 2016 #118

Deflection noted... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #78

Your "factual points" were non existant CajunBlazer May 2016 #85

Radicals are leaders! pinebox May 2016 #87

And Bernie Sanders will also go down in history.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #93

As a footnote? pinebox May 2016 #97

The revolution is still born CajunBlazer May 2016 #99

So... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #92

Your revolution was still born... CajunBlazer May 2016 #94

And Bernie Sanders will also go down in history.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #95

nothing to 'get over'.... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #96

You don't know your biology or politics CajunBlazer May 2016 #100

Identity politics should not be offered as a substitute for progressive ideology in the party of FDR Attorney in Texas May 2016 #8

Nobody does identity politics like the GOP. Garrett78 May 2016 #11

"They do it so we should also do it" is weak justification for doing something you know to be wrong Attorney in Texas May 2016 #13

I can't help that that's what you took from my post. Garrett78 May 2016 #15

You mistake the base of the party as being a wedge. Those that dismiss us are self-marginalizing. bettyellen May 2016 #17

The base of the Democratic Party is racially inclusive. I'm not sure what party you're talking about Attorney in Texas May 2016 #22

Women and POC are the largest reliable voting blocks we Dems have. It is time to respect that bettyellen May 2016 #24

You are partly wrong and partly talking nonsense. You are wrong because Democrats are 60% white, 22% Attorney in Texas May 2016 #27

A Pew Research Center study from just a year ago... Garrett78 May 2016 #39

Are you being misleading or are you incapable of interpreting the data you linked? Attorney in Texas May 2016 #44

Nope, you're right, I misinterpreted the data. Garrett78 May 2016 #46

Thanks for clarification. No harm done. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #47

What does do harm, though... Garrett78 May 2016 #52

There can be no doubt that Hillary has regional appeal in the 13 states of the Deep South and that Attorney in Texas May 2016 #57

That's all extremely misleading for a number of reasons. Garrett78 May 2016 #58

Do you think Hillary won New Hampshire Colorado Minnesota Oklahoma Vermont Kansas Nebraska Attorney in Texas May 2016 #60

That's an arbitrary division though. ContinentalOp May 2016 #82

It is not an arbitrary division. The Old South states vote similarly, just as the West Coast states Attorney in Texas May 2016 #98

It's an arbitrary division because it's irrelevant to how voting actually works. ContinentalOp May 2016 #101

So a political party is merely a vehicle for ethnic groups to stab at each other? n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #89

^^^ This (nt) rbnyc May 2016 #110

Do you really think the large majority of liberal women and POC won't vote for Bernie in the GE? Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #14

I worry that not enough would. I worry that turnout would suffer. Garrett78 May 2016 #16

I agree turnout would suffer...but not by as much, I suspect, as you do. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #21

Yep, Republican turnout will be extremely high CajunBlazer May 2016 #103

Many are not "feeling" it. I always vote, but would be less enthusiastic with SBS. bettyellen May 2016 #18

Neither do I... tom-servo May 2016 #19

Yep, look at their constituencies based on the 2012 voter demographics. ContinentalOp May 2016 #25

Or here's another way to look at it. ContinentalOp May 2016 #26

What you fail to take into account TM99 May 2016 #59

You're making a lot of assumptions. ContinentalOp May 2016 #63

Your first paragraphs tells me TM99 May 2016 #65

Of course they're Republicans, that's my point. ContinentalOp May 2016 #66

I think the question is... tom-servo May 2016 #41

Not really. Garrett78 May 2016 #42

Kind of irrelevant isn't it? ContinentalOp May 2016 #48

Not if you want the stronger candidate... tom-servo May 2016 #62

Huh? ContinentalOp May 2016 #64

If everyone who would vote for Clinton would also vote for Sanders tom-servo May 2016 #72

Right so you're saying we should let a small minority of voters overturn the will of the majority ContinentalOp May 2016 #73

That's putting a few words in my mouth, but... tom-servo May 2016 #76

Well if she's winning then the party clearly does want it and she's clearly not the weaker candidate ContinentalOp May 2016 #80

Do you know how much of the independent vote she got in those states? tom-servo May 2016 #81

Does it matter? ContinentalOp May 2016 #83

You are saying POC and women will not show up to vote for Bernie in the GE should he win? Autumn May 2016 #29

See post #16. Garrett78 May 2016 #30

Nobody is saying that. ContinentalOp May 2016 #34

Did you miss this from the OP? Autumn May 2016 #35

Yeah I did. ContinentalOp May 2016 #37

I will comment on this, my lousy good for nothing Senator is a SD for Hillary. Autumn May 2016 #67

eh ContinentalOp May 2016 #68

Yep, that's what I wrote. Garrett78 May 2016 #40

That's 2 Keys. GeorgeGist May 2016 #31

Touché Garrett78 May 2016 #32

In 2014, Debbie tried to win without Millennials. How did that work out for you? Betty Karlson May 2016 #36

I'm sure that relates to my OP somehow. Garrett78 May 2016 #38

So you will win on conventional wisdom then? Betty Karlson May 2016 #90

Very good post, but our base, including me, are pretty much solidly Hortensis May 2016 #43

POC and Women are disproportionately affected by a lower minimum wage. Ash_F May 2016 #45

Clinton has proposed raising the minimum wage and has proposed paid maternity leave. ContinentalOp May 2016 #49

Her own words. More recent than those endorsements I think. Ash_F May 2016 #50

Those organizations likely agree with those who think Clinton is more electable. Garrett78 May 2016 #54

Anecdotal, of course - but I am a woman, and not only will I not "unite" behind Hillary, djean111 May 2016 #51

The demographic divide is as great as ever. Garrett78 May 2016 #53

Well, that's really great for her - I would think that all the orders for "unity" would be seen as djean111 May 2016 #55

Remember that DU is not representative of the population at large. Garrett78 May 2016 #56

Here is your problem quaker bill May 2016 #71

So what do you suggest we do at this point? ContinentalOp May 2016 #74

I do not attack Hillary quaker bill May 2016 #91

I think the #1 key is not having the nominee in prison YMMV Kalidurga May 2016 #79

Elizabeth Warren and VP Sanders Reiyuki May 2016 #102

You really are living in a dream world CajunBlazer May 2016 #104

save this post and check back with me mid-July. Reiyuki May 2016 #105

Based on the conventional wisdom of Hillary campaign: Resurrect Reagan. Have him endorse Hillary. CobaltBlue May 2016 #117

Nope! Joob May 2016 #119