2016 Postmortem

DFab420

(2,466 posts) Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:47 PM Apr 2016

If her name was still Hillary Rodham would she be this close to the presidency? [View all]

Hate me for the question if you want, but I am looking to see what exactly she did to achieve elected office and all I can find in her history is moving to NY after being the First Lady.

Besides the fact that she happened to be married to the man who was Governor then President what exactly is it about Hillary Rodham's record makes you believe she would be a good commander in chief?

Is it her failed healthcare overhaul in the 90's?

Is it Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act?

The bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building"?

Or was it her hard hitting and incrediblly hard fought battle to pass a bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway"?

Was it her vote to give the President Bush war powers so he would give NY money to rebuild?

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If her name was still Hillary Rodham would she be this close to the presidency? [View all] DFab420 Apr 2016 OP

I love this OP. artislife Apr 2016 #1

... Agschmid Apr 2016 #29

Direct quote of yours. Your love of this op is of no surprise. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #55

Wow, nasty. And a supposed young woman advocating Repugs getting in to change up spr crt seabeyond Apr 2016 #100

Nothing I haven't seen Hillary supporters say about Bernie and the primary. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #111

Agree. And you would have a point if that is what the reply was to. It wasn't. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #116

My point was to provide context. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #120

Some people select such inappropriate names. Hortensis Apr 2016 #140

Not shocked. Agschmid Apr 2016 #188

Sorry to see they attacked you, artislife. senz Apr 2016 #211

That one is a frustrated hillbully. artislife Apr 2016 #246

If Hillary had not followed Bill to Arkansas she would have been in public office Beacool Apr 2016 #2

What can you point to to back this up. If anything her history and her OWN DFab420 Apr 2016 #3

Forget it, having a discussion with someone like you is like having a discussion Beacool Apr 2016 #8

That's not true at all. I'm just asking for something more specific then the general DFab420 Apr 2016 #9

She was 4th in line for presidency as SoS... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #21

And I agree with him, about 4 steps away from POTUS is perfect. DFab420 Apr 2016 #28

So... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #51

No, if you would even attempt comprehension what I said was she was perfect being kept at least 3 DFab420 Apr 2016 #119

LOL why is 4 steps OK? treestar Apr 2016 #147

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #32

It's not "like" having a discussion with a Freeper, Codeine Apr 2016 #47

Bwahhaa haa hhhhhaaaaaa...true dat Sheepshank Apr 2016 #125

Good point........ Beacool Apr 2016 #134

You were alerted on by the OP Action_Patrol Apr 2016 #139

He's the delicate sort, I see. Codeine Apr 2016 #142

Agreed and here's an old joke PJMcK Apr 2016 #63

I remember a similar joke. Beacool Apr 2016 #133

I can't agree more SharonClark Apr 2016 #105

Even Bill admits that she is the smart one in the family. nt MADem Apr 2016 #141

He has been saying for years that she's smarter than he is. Beacool Apr 2016 #159

I agree with that--and I think he got most of his best ideas from her. MADem Apr 2016 #161

Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #206

People who haven't been Rhodes Scholars can be smart, too, ya know. nt MADem Apr 2016 #224

Hillary Clinton is an extremely smart individual; Bill Clinton has more raw PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #225

+1 treestar Apr 2016 #146

Worthy of Trump, actually..... Beacool Apr 2016 #157

If she hadn't followed Bill to Arkansas she would have been in office as a Republican. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #168

Nonsense!!! Beacool Apr 2016 #175

I agree. Sparkly Apr 2016 #208

Who can say. There is a reality and a fantasy. MineralMan Apr 2016 #4

I think the reality of the situation is that people are voting for a fantasy. DFab420 Apr 2016 #6

We have elected others who had even less political office experience. MineralMan Apr 2016 #7

Apples and oranges man. He was a wartime General with proven leadership experiance DFab420 Apr 2016 #10

You established the terms of the discussion, not me. MineralMan Apr 2016 #12

I stressed elected official because I was discussing her background. DFab420 Apr 2016 #15

Military leadership treestar Apr 2016 #149

Yeah, successfully defeating the Nazi's TM99 Apr 2016 #160

that is a different issue entirely treestar Apr 2016 #166

Moving the goal posts as usual TM99 Apr 2016 #180

You think that Eisenhower didn't develop political skills as Commander in Chief of Allied Forces? Human101948 Apr 2016 #19

The post I replied to was about holding elected office. MineralMan Apr 2016 #20

Exactly, you cherry picked one sentence from my argument and failed to apply DFab420 Apr 2016 #30

As I remember, there were only two sentences in the MineralMan Apr 2016 #36

Oh great. auntpurl Apr 2016 #5

I hope the first woman President will be one who gets there on her own merits BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #11

Oh please Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #13

"She is the most qualified candidate in a generation"-NYTimes JaneyVee Apr 2016 #18

Is it sexist now to ask for specifics? DFab420 Apr 2016 #22

No, it's sexist to assume she got where she is because she tammywammy Apr 2016 #122

Oh be serious Yupster Apr 2016 #174

No she's not. Utter crap. n/t mcranor Apr 2016 #81

Yes! That'd be a role model. Instead, the 1st woman President will be known for having been corrupt. JudyM Apr 2016 #76

We elected someone named Barack Obama... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #14

Someone who served in Congress and Senate and as a community organizer.. DFab420 Apr 2016 #24

How do you know that though? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #43

She had more potential than Bill did when he ran for governor SharonClark Apr 2016 #110

AR, not AK. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #49

Many on DU avoid his name. They use initials PBO instead of BHO. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #169

Looks like the going out of businesses sale on silly anti-Hillary OPs has started. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16

That's a good response! You totally had a well thought out and cogent DFab420 Apr 2016 #23

Your OP is about a person's name. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #26

Nailed it. Agschmid Apr 2016 #37

+1 zappaman Apr 2016 #44

Worse than that, actually Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #67

They've got a lot of silly outrages to unload. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #127

*boom* GusBob Apr 2016 #126

Personally i think a simple Go fuck yourself would suffice MadBadger Apr 2016 #153

I'd like one for a dollah but they said that was too much uponit7771 Apr 2016 #113

LOL! treestar Apr 2016 #151

No. And if she had divorced him, her future political career would have been over. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #17

+1 artislife Apr 2016 #94

She is all those things treestar Apr 2016 #152

My perception is based on my observation of her public behavior. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #163

Pure exaggeration and building up the way you want things to be treestar Apr 2016 #164

I currently *despise* her at levels similar to Bush Junior. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #171

Some time ago I made a list comparing Hillary Clinton's proposed policies compared with those of PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #205

You were wrong about Sanders winning this. Why would we take anything you say seriously? randome Apr 2016 #25

We're going to see all manner of outrage spilling out JoePhilly Apr 2016 #31

How about answering the question? Dawgs Apr 2016 #41

Oh, yes, he does. This OP is a deliberate attempt to punish Clinton supporters. randome Apr 2016 #54

According to you. I think it's very relevant. And yes, it has nothing to do with Bernie. Dawgs Apr 2016 #59

There is no true/false substance to this. You want to sow discord. randome Apr 2016 #61

You just said "It's a false and loaded question." Dawgs Apr 2016 #66

You are trying -and failing again- to get DUers to turn on Clinton. randome Apr 2016 #79

Every other forum would block this post, so they had no choice but to put it here. Dawgs Apr 2016 #85

Nope hedgehog Apr 2016 #27

you mean the same person who won NY state twice as a senator La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #33

That was my thought .... without Bill Clinton's baggage.... etherealtruth Apr 2016 #62

this is just a way of discrediting her credentials and attributing her success La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #64

So you think that if Hillary wasn't first lady she would've been able to run for NY senate seat? DFab420 Apr 2016 #143

Yes I do ... the (idiot) governor of my state was a business person prior to his election etherealtruth Apr 2016 #144

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #114

This^^^^^^^^^^^ treestar Apr 2016 #154

So, you'd like to posit that she's "unqualified" .... salinsky Apr 2016 #34

She sat on the board of WalMart. People pay her 250,000 dollars for an hour of her time DFab420 Apr 2016 #39

Didn't she get invited to the Board of Walmart when Bubba was governor of merrily Apr 2016 #179

Back when she was Hillary Rodham, she was President of the Young Republicans. B Calm Apr 2016 #35

As Hillary Rodham she was a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund. n/t tammywammy Apr 2016 #123

So was that after being President of Young Republicans and before being B Calm Apr 2016 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Apr 2016 #135

If your name was Edward Moore not Edward Moore Kennedy, your candidacy would be a joke. iandhr Apr 2016 #38

A 40 year legacy in the Senate and you think that was just because of his name? DFab420 Apr 2016 #42

Time spent in the Senate means nothing, either. randome Apr 2016 #58

When he ran for the Senate in 1962 is was 29 running against someone named Edward McCormack... iandhr Apr 2016 #90

Getting elected in the first place would be the time at which to analyze that treestar Apr 2016 #156

exactly and would Caroline Kennedy treestar Apr 2016 #155

Of course the OP would say nothing of the sort. iandhr Apr 2016 #158

are you being sarcastic? The OP is arguing people should be treestar Apr 2016 #165

Yes I am iandhr Apr 2016 #167

Did you not know that Hillary was elected Senator from New York in her own right Frances Apr 2016 #40

Best qualified with the worst judgement. Dawgs Apr 2016 #45

32nd post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy of the day. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #56

You know Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate on the back end of her DFab420 Apr 2016 #48

Not to mention the support of most New Yorkers Frances Apr 2016 #53

First they laugh at you... Ino Apr 2016 #109

What George said, "You've given me your wah wah..." LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #46

Do you have a point? George II Apr 2016 #50

Pretty sure I made my point? Your lack of clear rebuttal is telling. DFab420 Apr 2016 #72

The subject above is a question. George II Apr 2016 #84

I think it's adorable you want people to believe your question is sincere. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #52

If Bernie Sanders had never been elected to office and married well would he be on the streets? KingFlorez Apr 2016 #57

She was talented in her own right, and I would bet that she would be a national figure. Orsino Apr 2016 #60

So she had to have the White House because she's entitled, and the money left her no choice? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #92

The system really is that fucked up. Orsino Apr 2016 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #65

How is it sexist? I am only asking what her record is without the accomplishments of another person DFab420 Apr 2016 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #74

Being the spouse of a president is an accomplishment??? DFab420 Apr 2016 #83

Being a two term Senator and SOS isn't enough qualifications to be president? qdouble Apr 2016 #68

8 years, 3 passed bills and one term as SoS in which both Libya and Syria fall apart? DFab420 Apr 2016 #70

Just say you don't like Hillary, qdouble Apr 2016 #75

I don't know her personally. But I certainly dislike much of the policy choices she's made DFab420 Apr 2016 #80

That's fine qdouble Apr 2016 #87

IT ISN'T THOUGH. That's kind of the fucking point. Her background is that of 8 years in the senate DFab420 Apr 2016 #88

There it is. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #71

Actually, according to some, she'd be more electable... because she would have divorced Bill. moriah Apr 2016 #73

Probably not, but so what? The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #77

she's only this far because of establishment help.she's a horrible politician. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #78

She didn't acquire ruthless ambition as a wedding gift. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #82

she can probably thank Bill for getting her through law school as well MariaThinks Apr 2016 #86

She was a Senator of a state she hardly lived in, winning an election during her husbands last term DFab420 Apr 2016 #89

Gallup Poll Most Admired Woman jamese777 Apr 2016 #91

That doesn't really answer my question.. DFab420 Apr 2016 #95

Women! What the hell do they know, am I right? randome Apr 2016 #97

So because she's famous and women look up to her the most that means she'll be a good president? DFab420 Apr 2016 #104

You're not following me at all. randome Apr 2016 #124

Sure It Does jamese777 Apr 2016 #103

Is this the same America that keeps up with the Kardashians? DFab420 Apr 2016 #106

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #115

I don't care JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #93

Ah the winning strategy for a GE right here.... DFab420 Apr 2016 #96

I'm not her Campaign Manager JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #99

Rush Limbaugh shares your views. How's that feel??? Gomez163 Apr 2016 #101

Henry Kissinger shares her views...How does that feel? DFab420 Apr 2016 #108

Sigh... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #118

What does Kissinger have to do with your blazing sexism??? Gomez163 Apr 2016 #128

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #117

she has no doubt piggybacked her way to being another election away from the WH thebeautifulstruggle Apr 2016 #102

If her name were not 'Clinton', she would be "this close" John Poet Apr 2016 #107

"... all I can find in her history is moving to NY after being the First Lady." NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #112

Yes. runaway hero Apr 2016 #121

Dream on, newbie Carolina Apr 2016 #194

I disagree. runaway hero Apr 2016 #197

A non-sexist would ask, If Bill hadn't married her, would he have become president n/t Onlooker Apr 2016 #129

Why? Do you think Bill only ran for Governor because of Hillary's ambitions? DFab420 Apr 2016 #131

Not this "little lady" shit again. If you could not find a record of her achievements... Hekate Apr 2016 #130

I didn't forget that at all, but her record as a lawyer alone isn't enough to convince me she'd be a DFab420 Apr 2016 #132

Wow, the sexism comes unmasked when a woman runs for president! Shame on you. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #137

in what way is this sexist? I am asking what she has done that makes her a viable candidate for DFab420 Apr 2016 #138

We'll never know as we can't prove what would have happened treestar Apr 2016 #145

The HUGE differences that separate FDR and JFK from HRC Carolina Apr 2016 #193

A couple makes decisions together about where they are going to live treestar Apr 2016 #195

You miss the point... so typical Carolina Apr 2016 #202

You wouldn't even know Bill's name had he not married Hillary. grossproffit Apr 2016 #148

Agreed. Or Monica Lewinsky. Or Gennifer Flowers. Or Linda Tripp. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #172

Do you seriously believe that any sane adult still gives a flying f---k COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #181

I am responding to the post "without Hillary, we wouldn't have heard about Bill" IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #182

You just keep counting on that old, failed outrage. It'll keep you warm until the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #183

I save my outrage for more important things; this is just old IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #184

Hillary RODHAM worked for the Chief Counsel of the House Judiciary Committee during Watergate... brooklynite Apr 2016 #150

Life magazine found Hillary Diane Rodham remarkable in 1969 tirebiter Apr 2016 #162

Read her commencement speech BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #190

Self-absorbed Carolina Apr 2016 #192

No... RFKHumphreyObama Apr 2016 #170

Wrong Carolina Apr 2016 #187

Agreed runaway hero Apr 2016 #200

If FDR's name was John Smith, if Trump's name was pampango, if JFK's name was Pat O'Brien, etc. pampango Apr 2016 #173

She is an accomplished, brilliant woman on her own. She is not there because of her husband. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #176

Had she not been FLOTUS Carolina Apr 2016 #191

I read all the other comments you wrote. They are nothing but pap from a Clinton hater. Beacool Apr 2016 #216

Truth hurts Carolina Apr 2016 #243

I sense some hostility towards our nominee and the next President. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #238

Sexism? SheenaR Apr 2016 #177

If Bernie Sanders didn't leave New York to become a Senator in a hippie State, would he be... NNadir Apr 2016 #178

If Bill Clinton never married Hillary Rodham SFnomad Apr 2016 #185

BS... she always lacked people skills Carolina Apr 2016 #189

It is absurd to say she lacks people skills treestar Apr 2016 #196

She does lack people skills runaway hero Apr 2016 #198

Where did she say that? treestar Apr 2016 #199

Here it is runaway hero Apr 2016 #203

Her credentials: legacy (Clinton's first lady; Obama's SOS; NY senator; failed healthcare policy. snowy owl Apr 2016 #219

I think she is even with Merkel runaway hero Apr 2016 #244

No hate at all. Total agreement! Carolina Apr 2016 #186

Jealous much? annavictorious Apr 2016 #239

Jealous? Hell no Carolina Apr 2016 #245

Right off GOP talking point, you forgot to add all she has is she is a woman. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #201

Not even close. Don't you have some more disparaging remarks about Sanders supporters to DFab420 Apr 2016 #209

I have never disparaged a Sanders supporter. I am one. I only go after those who Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #210

Yesterday you literally posted a thread calling us pouters. DFab420 Apr 2016 #214

Anybody who would stay home is NOT a Sanders supporter. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #215

But that's not what you said. DFab420 Apr 2016 #228

You arent making sense. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #231

Lol. DFab420 Apr 2016 #233

SandersNISTAS are not liberals or Sanders supporters. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #234

Probably wouldn't know who she was n/t doc03 Apr 2016 #204

All she did on her own was to make partner at the Rose Law Firm. senz Apr 2016 #207

Your comment would fit right in on Free Republic and is without any merit. Beacool Apr 2016 #212

Could you explain what she's done after that you think warrents touting as an achievement? DFab420 Apr 2016 #218

Do your own freaking research. Beacool Apr 2016 #220

So because she's a woman critizing her is chaunvinsit? That's a bit sexist. DFab420 Apr 2016 #226

My comment is true. senz Apr 2016 #222

Your take of events is totally slanted. Beacool Apr 2016 #223

no amborin Apr 2016 #213

It's doubtful she would have even been a Senator. 99Forever Apr 2016 #217

What an ignorant comment!!!!!!! Beacool Apr 2016 #221

But she clearly states in her biography she had no desire for political life DFab420 Apr 2016 #227

Go ahead, you can say it rock Apr 2016 #229

Oh I'm sorry have we held the nominating convention yet? DFab420 Apr 2016 #230

I'm psychic rock Apr 2016 #235

Nice, can you tell us which country Hillary will vote to invade next??? DFab420 Apr 2016 #237

We don't hate you... MrWendel Apr 2016 #232

Lol took you a whole day to come up with? DFab420 Apr 2016 #236

Nah..... MrWendel Apr 2016 #240

No, of course not. nt Herman4747 Apr 2016 #241

Same thing Teddy Kennedy was asked in his 1962 Senate candidate book_worm Apr 2016 #242

Nope. Splinter Cell Apr 2016 #247

To answer your initial question Chitown Kev Apr 2016 #248