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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton represents the future while Bernie Sanders is a relic of the past [View all]dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)106. And she's all about the privileges of the wealthy and powerful
I've always thought that she has a very solid core.
The weathervane thing is just her changing the product's packaging.
Her solid core is someone who is very slightly liberal on social issues, but she's primarily a global corporatist with the neoliberal economic policies and neocon foreign policies that come with global corporatism.
The focus groups and talking points are about how to present to the people, but the front end and her core don't seem very closely connected to me. Which would explain her low numbers on things like trust and authenticity. She has genuine substance, IMHO, but that substance is more welcome in corporate boardrooms than in popular elections, so it isn't on display.
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Hillary Clinton represents the future while Bernie Sanders is a relic of the past [View all]
ProudToBeLiberal
Apr 2016
OP
So are you saying you don't like what FDR did with the New Deal, or what are you saying? nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#48
How do you claim to be liberal while disparaging FDR? Do you think Germany and Italy dealt
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#53
Yes a future that will see the 99% turn into paupers. But that doesn't seem to matter
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#120
Yes, the loss of white privilege (be it real or imagined) has set off an atomic bomb ...
salinsky
Apr 2016
#7
No. If you look at the demographics, and the irrational hatred of Hillary, it seems pretty clear.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#130
I truly mean no offense by this, but now that the primary is over, please look at her
Squinch
Apr 2016
#131
Again, your abortion argument is dead wrong. This is not a reinterpretation. In that interview
Squinch
Apr 2016
#148
SANDERS voted FOR the crime bill. His responsibility for its effects is certainly greater than
Squinch
Apr 2016
#160
SANDERS VOTED FOR THE CRIME BILL! You can't make that go away. He can speak against
Squinch
Apr 2016
#164
Wow. You are all against this thing, but he has no responsibility for it. Despite the fact that he
Squinch
Apr 2016
#166
Thanks AAG. And I agree. We just need to move along when we find the intractable ones now.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#168
Calling him a relic of the past implies that he ever actually accomplished anything of note. nt
nolawarlock
Apr 2016
#27
Hillary is a progressive who will get things done. She knows how to work with congress, she
Thinkingabout
Apr 2016
#31
Yep, she knows how to cooperate on Wall Street, Wars, Debt collection and much, much more...
Human101948
Apr 2016
#56
More years than Hillary, I would not classify Sanders as the admendment king.
Thinkingabout
Apr 2016
#137
Each time the bill came up it was watered down more, Sanders voted against it five times. The final
Thinkingabout
Apr 2016
#140
In the messages he sends me he just want to play good cop bad cop to unify the party
Autumn
Apr 2016
#142
Hillary isn't for change she is for the corrupt status quo that is making her one
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#51
The Oligarchy LOVES identity politics. Distract and divide the people while you further control.
Skwmom
Apr 2016
#59
Putting people in prison for a year for burning a flag - not liberal.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2016
#70
You seem to have missed the part where we broke the "White Man" in the white house pattern already
aikoaiko
Apr 2016
#75
Privileged millionaire white women can be as reactionary as any rich man. i.e. Thatcher.
imagine2015
Apr 2016
#80
Yeap, the real progressives will reassess and go along with progressing America
uponit7771
Apr 2016
#81
TPP and a race to the bottom on wages is definitely the future, you've got that right.
DefenseLawyer
Apr 2016
#99
But who do you think has Hillary's reins.... white rich men!!! LoL I guess you got checkmated.
Bread and Circus
Apr 2016
#113
Do you actually have any values, ideals, or even thoughts not locked into genitals and melanin?
TheKentuckian
Apr 2016
#115
This is sexist bullshit. Screw you and your terrible identity politics that are destroying the party
jfern
Apr 2016
#147
YES: War, gutting of the middle class, corporate stranglehold, more prisons, police state
yourpaljoey
Apr 2016
#152
*sigh* You're so concerned with ticking boxes that you miss the most important fact.
Jester Messiah
Apr 2016
#155
So endless war, increasing inequality, dirty water, underpaid service jobs, that's
Nanjeanne
Apr 2016
#158
It's about math, the blue team, and identity politics and brawndo. It has electrolytes, you know.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2016
#171