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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
22. That would be great, though there's one other way I can see
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

which won't be popular here, but here it is.

First, I'll start by saying that moving the party to the left is the preferable path.

However, the party has erected huge institutional barriers to protect itself from leftist/populist influence, including and by no means limited to using superdelegates in the primary.

There are currently FAR more U.S. citizens who belong to neither corporate party, and have withdrawn from party politics, out of disgust for both parties. They self-identify as independents.

If we can't get the Democrats to move left and represent the people rather than the corporate interests, there's another way, which is to realign on a corporate/populist axis rather than on a left/right axis. By doing so, there would be a huge base instantly attuned to the new populist alignment.

The independents themselves are all over the left/right spectrum, and mostly agree that corporations have too much power in our lives and in our government, and that both major parties represent corporate interests more than they represent citizen interests.

There is a surprisingly large ideological intersection that such a realignment could draw from. I suspect that the independents would mostly agree on issues of getting corporate money out of our political system, rejecting fossil fuels and embarking on a massive conversion to save our planet, creating clean energy jobs in the process, reigning in Wall St., spending less taxpayer money on the most expensive military the world has ever seen which is mainly supporting resource extraction and exploitable labor pools, ending this nation's incarceration binge, ending the drug war, ending the push for globalization of business and labor, taking care of our citizen's survival needs (healthcare, living wages, possibly a guaranteed minimum income to offset the coming automation layoffs, secure retirement), and other things I'm not thinking of at the moment.

It requires getting cats to lie down with dogs, we have all been programmed to fight along the left/right battleground for a long time, but today, in my opinion, the more important battles are being fought along corporate/populist lines. Sadly, today's Democratic Party establishment is clearly on the wrong side of these lines.

We can move further left and try to take on the powers that be ourselves, starting with our own party, as you suggest. Then we'll need to win power over the oligarchs. I don't think we're that strong, frankly, I just don't see the left pulling that off by ourselves. Alternatively, we can realign and agree to disagree on certain left/right divisions while having each other's backs in a newly aligned populist movement.

It's certainly what the corporations fear most, and is why so many divisive issues get all of the airplay, while the larger issues we face are not even discussed in the corporate media.

Yes, incrementally and in baby steps at a very, very slow pace someday in the future... Human101948 Apr 2016 #1
with all deliberate speed TheDormouse Apr 2016 #5
Seems to be tacking straight ahead. Orsino Apr 2016 #2
It won't as long as corporate tools like DWS are in charge. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #3
She is my least favorite Dem and makes me cringe every time I blm Apr 2016 #12
We must go even further right before we go left. Broward Apr 2016 #4
You got that right. That would be a refreshing thing to see. After all, there are all these votes highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #6
agree! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #7
If you have a few hundred million to throw around, you might be able to make that happen EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #8
Tack hell!!! It would take almost a 180 to get back to where we need to be. ret5hd Apr 2016 #9
Yup. That wouldn't be tacking, that would be coming about altogether. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #16
I concur. blm Apr 2016 #10
Well said dad! jpmonk91 Apr 2016 #11
Yes, I see. mmonk Apr 2016 #15
You speak of the Democratic Party as if it were one entity. It's not. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #13
IMO the gap between Bernie and Hillary is 10X the gap between Hillary and mainstream Republicans BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #19
What's ironic is that the Republicons have taught their base to hate Hillary rhett o rick Apr 2016 #21
That's because most of them are idiots BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #23
Tack? How about "veer"? Scuba Apr 2016 #14
Veer is a good word. mmonk Apr 2016 #17
The US needs to make a hard left politically, asap. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #30
"Carom" and "Careen" are two good words, too. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #38
Yes! But we must adhere to the Very Serious Plan: Maedhros Apr 2016 #18
Absolutely. Vinca Apr 2016 #20
That's not what the Hill Shills are saying. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #32
That would be great, though there's one other way I can see dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #22
There are a lot of people on the left that gave up and went independent. mmonk Apr 2016 #25
Yes and there will soon be a lot more dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #33
It will take a few cycles. The current crowd is buried in the system. mmonk Apr 2016 #34
I have been hearing that all of my life dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #35
They've been doing this shit for 35 years. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #24
aint' that the truth Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #28
To do that, you have to believe going left is MORE than just words to get elected. Skwmom Apr 2016 #26
Very true. I can tell the difference. TBTF is an example. mmonk Apr 2016 #29
Clinton and her supporters disagree with you. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #27
It's also the only way to get enough voters to beat any GOP nominee. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #31
I think the 3rd way should adopt the color purple - fitting for the queen floppyboo Apr 2016 #36
Hell, even if they tack to the center it would be an imporovement Armstead Apr 2016 #37
True that. mmonk Apr 2016 #39
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