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2016 Postmortem

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pat_k

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11. Of all of it, the "no we can't" message is the most incidious...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

.. and has been for far too long.

Can't win, so don't fight. Preemptive surrender. Impractical. The widespread parroting of the various rationalizations for inaction is appalling. A quintessential example was the acquiescence to Bush's theft of the White House in 2000.

It seems that the more dear the principle that needs fighting for is, the more vigorously the insiders rationalize doing nothing.

The fact that Bernie has done so well, despite the level of resistance we are seeing from "the old guard," has renewed my hope. I expect belittling and resistance. It's disheartening to see, but it's just the "old guard" guarding.

As far as "counter-message" -- I think we need to relentlessly expose the "practical" memes; the "can't win, so don't fight" memes for what they are. Cowardice, pure and simple. Shame them. Hold up a mirror. Hammer away at that one. They've tried to turn cowardice in the guise of pragmatism into a virtue -- fairly successfully. We have to pull off the disguise.

And here's a quote I like on belittling:

"New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled the humiliating question arises 'Why then are you not taking part in them?'"
-- H.G. Wells

Words matter [View all] angrychair Apr 2016 OP
I know I will make some changes. djean111 Apr 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #2
More than that angrychair Apr 2016 #5
I am often mystified by the comparative attention... pat_k Apr 2016 #10
It's a two-party system. Vote "R" or vote "D", anything else is meaningless. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #36
I think one more thing we Bernie supporters have accomplished jwirr Apr 2016 #39
Single Payer exists just across our border. It's not a unicorn or a pony. Canada isn't a myth. think Apr 2016 #3
Saw a post yesterday that essentially said love it or leave it mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #6
I've been hearing "love it or leave it" since the '60's. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #32
The translation is "Shut the fuck up and agree with us" mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #38
We are all fighting for stronger primary and secondary education platforms that will benefit all. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #4
I would love to believe you angrychair Apr 2016 #8
"I would love to believe you" NCTraveler Apr 2016 #9
Yes, my advocating for the struggling angrychair Apr 2016 #12
I would love to believe you. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #13
I'm trying to be polite angrychair Apr 2016 #15
"I would love to believe you." NCTraveler Apr 2016 #16
ok angrychair Apr 2016 #17
I don't believe you. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #18
And who will fund it? HRC claims she will close some loopholes rhett o rick Apr 2016 #19
I'm going to trust that you can read your own post. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #23
How sad that you choose to mock and ridicule instead of discuss. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #24
You asked and answered in your own post. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #25
What is so odd is those that support Clinton disparage the left rhett o rick Apr 2016 #31
I don't think I'm disparaging the left. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #34
I haven't gone thru her new stand on education but I have gone thru some of her rhett o rick Apr 2016 #35
I think what you running into is the cynicism that has been engrained.... Armstead Apr 2016 #37
It's hard for me to 840high Apr 2016 #27
When people choose sides based on the candidate more than policies ... Martin Eden Apr 2016 #7
Of all of it, the "no we can't" message is the most incidious... pat_k Apr 2016 #11
Excellent post. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #21
Same here felix_numinous Apr 2016 #14
The party of Third Way has left us. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #20
The question has been asked before. "Am I my brother's keeper?" The neolib, 3rd Way, answer is NO! Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #22
Stress test Califonz Apr 2016 #26
She'll take it with her usual 840high Apr 2016 #28
Few things ignite nastiness among establishment Dems Beowulf Apr 2016 #29
K and R. Fuck 'em. ( Pardon the vulgarity.) Smarmie Doofus Apr 2016 #30
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