2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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62. Devine's plan may work under GOP party rules but not Democratic rules

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Tad Devine explained Sanders' campaign strategy on Rachel Maddow tonight. [View all] kstewart33 Apr 2016 OP

I saw it Renew Deal Apr 2016 #1

AND... Just WHAT Has Hillary TEAM Been Doing... Say... Harry Reed in Nevada? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #18

What has Secretary Clinton Team done? Winning larger primaries, collecting more pledged delegates. SFnomad Apr 2016 #30

Devine's plan may work under GOP party rules but not Democratic rules Gothmog Apr 2016 #62

not so! Devine is correct! there is no one-to-one correspondence of popular vote to pledged amborin Apr 2016 #94

Read the delegation selection plans of each state Gothmog Apr 2016 #108

you can certainly flip supers at the convention amborin Apr 2016 #109

Yes you can but it is not likely Gothmog Apr 2016 #112

sure, but that won't happen. The Super Delegates will go with whoever has the most pledged still_one Apr 2016 #133

Yes, we get it. Bernie doesn't lose elections Renew Deal Apr 2016 #104

Hypocrites and grifters. And not too bright. Squinch Apr 2016 #2

Seems both our candidates have one or two more things in common, aye? Fascinating. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #12

No. I am fine with how my candidate has conducted herself. Squinch Apr 2016 #16

And I with mine. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #24

And yet this strategy that Devine is outlining goes against everything your candidate has ever Squinch Apr 2016 #27

There's a DUer who broke it down.....if I can find the link again I'll add it here. nc4bo Apr 2016 #38

Yeah, thanks but no. I don't really care about the cockamamie scheme they're using to Squinch Apr 2016 #47

Since when have you guys (and gals) cared how much we give to our candidate? nc4bo Apr 2016 #64

Lol. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #101

The vote is the core of our democracy. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #59

I see you didnt even bother trying to read and comprehend what was being said in that post. nc4bo Apr 2016 #69

i don't think you understand the process: amborin Apr 2016 #96

I understand the process just fine. I think that it is you who are missing something. Squinch Apr 2016 #145

I am amused that Devine does not know Democratic party rules Gothmog Apr 2016 #65

LOL, he must have gotten the memo that we make it up as we see fit. nc4bo Apr 2016 #71

Each state has a delegate selection plan that was finalized back in September Gothmog Apr 2016 #99

A Clinton supporter using the word "grifters" to describe other politicians. How ironic.... think Apr 2016 #85

Your description fits them perfectly! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #144

Good luck with that. nt TMontoya Apr 2016 #3

At least he's not spewing smears like the Clinton "disqualify" Bernie meme. snowy owl Apr 2016 #4

Perhaps you should reread the post. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #6

True. He's just saying that all the calling for democracy and whining about voter suppression... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #11

Not qualified because he has never had to face the repercussions of any of his protest-policies.... bettyellen Apr 2016 #14

They are two hustlers blowing smoke out of their backsides. Beacool Apr 2016 #89

A beat down next weekend should end this crazy talk for good nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5

She wins 4 out of 5. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #10

Yikes. That was powerful and moving. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #13

i can't imagine rushing a lunatic with a gun. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #22

yes it was still_one Apr 2016 #135

Powerful ad! n/t nolawarlock Apr 2016 #21

It probably will, but it's nothing to be proud of.. Blue Meany Apr 2016 #56

While Hillary Clinton was fighting for the passage of the Brady Bill DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Meany Apr 2016 #127

Great ad Gothmog Apr 2016 #68

I'm Annie Oakley and I approve this message. Because I've evolved. eom Chezboo Apr 2016 #72

Tell yourself that after the Secretary sweeps Bernie next Tuesday DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #80

Win or not, she is exploiting tragedy and her bad past decisions are responsible for much more dinkytron Apr 2016 #105

My favorite DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #111

Is this Ellen? Are you challenging me to a dance off? dinkytron Apr 2016 #114

A dance off??? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #115

Be clear, friend. What are challenging me to? dinkytron Apr 2016 #117

Again DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #119

Not only will she not win the election but four years from now, she'll be mercifully dinkytron Apr 2016 #120

Does that mean you lack the courage of your convictions to accept my challenge? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #122

There is something disturbingly aggressive about your challenge, friend. dinkytron Apr 2016 #124

"Disturbingly aggressive." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #126

DSB, are you using a thesaurus again? dinkytron Apr 2016 #128

I will ignore your patronizing comments. We already established the kind of person you are. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #131

"Cocksure"? "Meeting in the park"? "Eating dirt"? "Filthy Lucre"? You are turning me on. dinkytron Apr 2016 #134

Some --- put me on Ignore. I am totally ------- crestfallen. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #136

He lost the primary people Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #146

Dirt is plentiful in MacArthur Park. Grass is scarce. oasis Apr 2016 #137

I have driven past the park. I have never been in it. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #139

I'll pm you. oasis Apr 2016 #140

. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #107

Hillary has detractors. I never knew that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #113

You stand with a candidate exploiting the deaths of children. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #116

If you believe DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #118

If you believe that gun deaths only mater in the US there is nothing I can do for you. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #121

Every death is a tragedy. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #123

We aren't talking about the US, we are talking about Hillary. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #125

If you have evidence of a crime here;s the contact info for the AG DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #129

Who said anything about a crime? Loudestlib Apr 2016 #130

I am sure what you accused her of meets the statutory requirement for a felony bribery charge. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #132

As far as I know, there is no evidence of a crime. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #141

I saw that. How can a candidate running against the establishment declare that YouDig Apr 2016 #7

The end justifies the means Zorro Apr 2016 #40

I saw it, what I heard doesn't match yours unc70 Apr 2016 #8

Give us the details. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #20

He's making valid points. Our nomination process is an exercise of absurdity. morningfog Apr 2016 #9

that the less democratic it is- the better he does? So he aims to make it less democratic? bettyellen Apr 2016 #19

No. It is an undemocraticpeocess. It is not a popular vote contest. morningfog Apr 2016 #23

So pushing the limit on how undeserved of a win it can be for him- got it. Interesting! bettyellen Apr 2016 #29

No, it is not going to happen. morningfog Apr 2016 #33

that is an interesting point, but it's going to look like "sour grapes" again, and few will get more bettyellen Apr 2016 #37

I don't disagree. But we'll see how it plays out. morningfog Apr 2016 #46

And yet when Hillary played within the rules and lined up her super delegates, she was accused Squinch Apr 2016 #36

The supers are undemocratic, regardless of who uses them. morningfog Apr 2016 #42

Oh morningfog, but Tad says that only delegates matter. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #50

Only delegates do matter. One number matters 2,383. morningfog Apr 2016 #55

So, again, when Hillary does it it's evil, when Sanders does it, it's just fine. Squinch Apr 2016 #52

Again, that is not at all what I said. morningfog Apr 2016 #58

Don't attempt to diffuse the insanity of what he said. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #25

The popular vote does not matter. That is not how we nominate. morningfog Apr 2016 #31

Your spin doesn't work. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #44

It's not spin, it's true. We don't nominate by popular vote. morningfog Apr 2016 #51

Legitimacy matters. Pledged delegate and popular vote are the two geek tragedy Apr 2016 #66

I take your point on legitimacy. But supers aren't flipping. morningfog Apr 2016 #75

Not sure you're appreciating just how much and from how many geek tragedy Apr 2016 #81

I have no idea how that factors in his decision. morningfog Apr 2016 #87

His leverage is that they need/want him to play nice. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #93

And they want his supporters and their funding. morningfog Apr 2016 #100

Yes, that comes with him playing nice nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #106

It is ludicrous that you are arguing this with TM99 Apr 2016 #138

You are confusing the GE with the primaries. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #39

Civics 101... you truly believe the popular vote matters? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #48

If the popular vote does not matter, why vote at all? kstewart33 Apr 2016 #54

Becuase our elections are INDIRECT nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #74

So Bernie wants to be the George W Bush and Weaver wants to be geek tragedy Apr 2016 #60

Do not put words in my mouth counselor nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #83

Technical rules and legitimacy are two different concepts. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #90

Look so we are clear nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #97

It's a step above the smoke filled rooms, but we probably need another movement for reform Blue Meany Apr 2016 #63

So, let me get this straight.... Adrahil Apr 2016 #73

The nomination process IS undemocratic. morningfog Apr 2016 #79

True enough, but it makes his super PAC speeches ring hollow.... Adrahil Apr 2016 #84

Don't worry, it won't work. morningfog Apr 2016 #88

I agree... It's just... Adrahil Apr 2016 #92

We'll see. morningfog Apr 2016 #98

yes, plus, the popular primary vote doesn't directly dictate number of pledged delegates: amborin Apr 2016 #102

Gone crazy????? revmclaren Apr 2016 #15

Not accurate Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #17

The 'showing up' strategy? Please. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #28

He didn't say it tdidnt' matter, he said the count was invalid.... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #76

It says something that their hope for winning YouDig Apr 2016 #41

That plan will not work under Democratic Party rules Gothmog Apr 2016 #77

I don't claim to know each state's rules but... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #91

Way to misrepresent, I saw it and you dishonestly present his argument - eom dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #26

Diversions won't work this time. nt kstewart33 Apr 2016 #32

here dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #53

They're so confused. Poor things. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #34

When you have no legitimate argument to make, you resort to garbage. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #35

Yeah ... I see that a lot here with the attacks and insults on Hillary and her supporters. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #57

Barack Obama gained delegates at later rounds of caucuses jfern Apr 2016 #43

This is a race for delagates. Not the popular vote. JeffHead Apr 2016 #45

I think he realized this when he heard super-delegate Howard Dean say he would do whatever HE Samantha Apr 2016 #49

Under Democratic rules, the candidate has approval rights over their delegates Gothmog Apr 2016 #61

I think you need to reread what you just posted passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #67

I disagree but perhaps we can agree on one point. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #86

So closed primaries are "voter suppresion" Adrahil Apr 2016 #78

HRC Endorsers & operatives disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Dem voters Triana Apr 2016 #82

He should have said... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #95

Pedaling fast trying to keep his candidate's supporters energized. Beacool Apr 2016 #103

He's right. They aren't democratic. They do the math differently and it doesn't get distributed Unicorn Apr 2016 #110

In some places we vote, in others we caucus. quaker bill Apr 2016 #142

Sanders campaign will overturn the will of the people! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #143