2016 Postmortem

anigbrowl

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70. The two are nothing alike as you well know.

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:07 PM

Apr 2016

You said in post #13 that you think Sanders' senate financial disclosures are sufficient. I am asking if you think the same is true for Ted Cruz, since he is also a US senator. Specifically, you wrote:

There is full disclosure of all his finances in the Senate record, it is a requirement and open to the public already, if there were any "laws broken", I am sure they would have caught it.

I am simply asking if you think the same standard should apply to Ted Cruz or not.

My question does not contain any implicit logical fallacies of the kind you are trying to distract people with. You are certainly going to great lengths to avoid answering a simple question.

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What is the difference between Hillary's transcripts and Bernie's IRS taxes? [View all] ViseGrip Apr 2016 OP

It's all they got. djean111 Apr 2016 #1

It IS all they got. And you know they have looked and looked. yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #4

They even became stalkers over the plane flight to the Vatican. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #60

Good for you. . . .thanks from everyone. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #84

Holy shit....you are scary. Please add the tinfoil hat to these posts. Nt pkdu Apr 2016 #154

The tax returns go directly to the candidate's adherence to the law of the land. MADem Apr 2016 #2

This scscholar Apr 2016 #12

Yes opinions change, and Hillary Clinton's opinions change EXTREMELY often Dragonfli Apr 2016 #13

But TAX RETURNS are a declaration to the government. MADem Apr 2016 #15

. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #16

Yeah, it sucks when the bottom line is that your candidate is not being transparent. MADem Apr 2016 #22

I see what you're doing (talk about transparent) Dragonfli Apr 2016 #25

No, you don't. The US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT does not require that MADem Apr 2016 #28

Easy on the truth MADem, they can't handle the truth. oasis Apr 2016 #74

13.4 percent's worth of truth. If everyone paid as few taxes as Berrrnie, you wouldn't be able to MADem Apr 2016 #76

If Bernie is hiding his tax info, it should be addressed. nt oasis Apr 2016 #81

DING DING DING!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #121

Don't let facts get in your way hueymahl Apr 2016 #202

All of his assets are in his wife's name--why do you suppose that is? MADem Apr 2016 #204

Estate planning? hueymahl Apr 2016 #207

I think if he didn't cut that shit loose, he'd be a millionaire...and ya can't have that, can ya? MADem Apr 2016 #208

You are a piece of work hueymahl Apr 2016 #210

Do you even look at the garbage you write? MADem Apr 2016 #211

You sure are acting angry hueymahl Apr 2016 #215

I am not--but YOU keep getting personal with me and calling me names. MADem Apr 2016 #223

Good luck with the rest of your day hueymahl Apr 2016 #226

that is so awesome. Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #35

Well, I have tried not to use ignore very often and still only have perhaps a dozen on ignore Dragonfli Apr 2016 #43

You have grown from a Conservative Democrat I sometimes disagreed with, but fairly decent Dragonfli Apr 2016 #29

Yeah, and you have no argument, so you make it about MEEEEEEEEE. MADem Apr 2016 #122

PREACH!!!!! Happy Friday!!!! n/t asuhornets Apr 2016 #216

Backatcha!!!!! MADem Apr 2016 #219

So was her oath as SOS. JudyM Apr 2016 #196

So would you be OK with Ted Cruz not releasing his tax returns? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #47

You are stating something as fact that is only rumor that he "will not release his tax returns" Dragonfli Apr 2016 #50

It's a simple yes or no question anigbrowl Apr 2016 #62

"Will you stop beating your wife" is also a yes or no answer, one I also wouldn't answer tho. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #64

The two are nothing alike as you well know. anigbrowl Apr 2016 #70

You are quite the ventriloquist Dragonfli Apr 2016 #73

Actually I quoted the same piece of text that you did... anigbrowl Apr 2016 #85

I think they would've uncovered if he broke the law YES, that answers the question re my words fully Dragonfli Apr 2016 #96

But .... but .... (Shirley Temple POUT) .... "It's Oooh Kaaaay if it's BERRRRRRNIE!!!!" MADem Apr 2016 #75

$50,000 in deductions is not distilled water. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #55

Thanks for reminding me, unlike the other poster now on ignore, you have always been abrassive Dragonfli Apr 2016 #61

That's not a bad thing either, people need to change for the better uponit7771 Apr 2016 #111

But changing so often both for the better and the worse and so very often shows little but Dragonfli Apr 2016 #116

The opposite is worse of the two uponit7771 Apr 2016 #117

Flexible adherence to a moral compass that does not waver or compromise moral values is best. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #119

Sept Sanders isn't flexible at all, matter of fact he's more dogmatic seeing there are few practical uponit7771 Apr 2016 #120

He is flexible, just not with his morality 109 economists including Robert Reich disagree regarding Dragonfli Apr 2016 #123

No he's not, well... until he see's he's going to totally lose a demographic... then he becomes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #124

sigh, you should have read my full post, not that the truth matters in a big Donor corporate Dragonfli Apr 2016 #126

That's what you're going with? "Opinions change?" morningfog Apr 2016 #86

I think the transcripts are going to disappoint the hell out of you eager beavers. MADem Apr 2016 #143

I really don't care about the transcripts, it's just a good issue to hammer. morningfog Apr 2016 #147

It's just a good issue to hammer. MADem Apr 2016 #149

I try. morningfog Apr 2016 #153

LMAO!!! basselope Apr 2016 #118

Yeah, I do. MADem Apr 2016 #145

LOL basselope Apr 2016 #150

We shall see--but don't act like you "know" -- because you don't. MADem Apr 2016 #152

I know enough to know there is absolutely nothing suspicious. basselope Apr 2016 #167

That's why Jane started sweating like a confidence man caught out on MSNBC when she was asked MADem Apr 2016 #168

Wow. The stuff people see when they are desperate. basselope Apr 2016 #173

Highly contested elections--are you high? He has only had one really tough election in recent MADem Apr 2016 #174

LMAO basselope Apr 2016 #180

You've never seen a GOP attack ad, obviously. You're YOUNG? MADem Apr 2016 #213

Seen many of them. basselope Apr 2016 #217

Well, Mike Dukakis and John Kerry do disagree with you, you know. MADem Apr 2016 #218

LOL. basselope Apr 2016 #222

Oh yeah, all those "progressives" voted for George Bush? Listen to you! MADem Apr 2016 #224

They didn't vote for Bush. They voted 3rd party. basselope Apr 2016 #225

Oh, yeah, sure!!! That must mean that "progressives" make up, what--two percent of the electorate? MADem Apr 2016 #227

Yes, feel the math. basselope Apr 2016 #228

Tax returns go to the IRS beedle Apr 2016 #140

Maybe, just maybe, Jane doesn't want the 4th Estate to pull those Schedule A items apart. MADem Apr 2016 #142

Maybe, beedle Apr 2016 #146

Sanders admitted she files extensions often, and amends as well. MADem Apr 2016 #148

Clintons ommitted whole shell companies beedle Apr 2016 #170

That's a garbage cite--no link. Talks about "financial reports" -- not tax returns. Stop conflating MADem Apr 2016 #172

so do FBI investigations AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #176

Oooooooooh (Shirley Temple Pout)! You are gonna be Soooooooo MAD when nothing comes of that! MADem Apr 2016 #177

Omg, your candidate appears to have sold weapons in exchange for foundation donations & you expect JudyM Apr 2016 #195

and Jane Sanders has committed to providing his new return as soon as it's completed, elleng Apr 2016 #3

The IRS will provide a copy of your full return for a fee. MADem Apr 2016 #6

Sure they could afford it, elleng Apr 2016 #10

Actually, the campaign is paying for their room and board, so MADem Apr 2016 #17

Who suggested I think they are 'donating to this campaign?' elleng Apr 2016 #20

YOU said THIS: MADem Apr 2016 #23

End this, please. elleng Apr 2016 #27

Bullshit. Jane has adult children who can go get that stuff for her. MADem Apr 2016 #32

I'm not interested in hillary's schedule a's, elleng Apr 2016 #36

You sure as hell would be if she DIDN'T RELEASE THEM. MADem Apr 2016 #38

you are claiming the campaign is paying their mortgage now? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #37

Where in hell did you get that notion? MADem Apr 2016 #39

in what fairy land do the bills back home stop because you are traveling? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #45

The electric bill goes down to nothing. If you're not paying to fill the fridge, but instead, MADem Apr 2016 #46

Weak Sauce, up and down mrdmk Apr 2016 #135

now you sound uneducated. FEC rules, you MUST spend campaign money on campaign ViseGrip Apr 2016 #92

That's just absurd. They are not "required to live off the campaign." That's pure NONSENSE. MADem Apr 2016 #129

And it takes several weeks to obtain the return from the IRS JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #127

If she'd ordered them when people started crabbing, instead of making mealy-mouthed excuses, MADem Apr 2016 #128

If you say so. I think I'll reserve judgement until I have some, ya know, facts. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #130

Here's one fact for you - 13.4 %; wouldn't it be nice to pay so little in income tax? MADem Apr 2016 #131

I paid less, so that would not be great. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #133

With receipts like these, Sanders isn't going to be able to send people to flower arranging classes, MADem Apr 2016 #134

Huh? No idea what you are saying. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #137

If one percenters are contributing so little to the coffers, Sanders will not be able to send people MADem Apr 2016 #139

Taxes will be raised. Pretty simple. I am ok with that. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #141

LOL--really? Bernie's gonna make that sale to a GOP congress? MADem Apr 2016 #144

Why are you shitting on beauticians and florists? SwampG8r Apr 2016 #183

I'm not "shitting on" them. But it costs less to train up in those jobs than it does to attend uni MADem Apr 2016 #192

Just keep shitting on folks then i guess SwampG8r Apr 2016 #198

Keep missing the point, then! See how that works? nt MADem Apr 2016 #199

Christ, Jane said she does them on TurboTax, COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #155

The topic of discussion was getting returns from the IRS. I said nothing of Turbotax. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #158

The point is that some had made the excuse that they COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #189

Are you seriously saying the main barrier is Jane's inability to physically access a filing cabinet? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #48

the real difference is that Jane had said that they will be released....Hillary won't say that,,,, virtualobserver Apr 2016 #52

Nobody but Bernie supporters care about the transcripts anigbrowl Apr 2016 #63

You are right, her transcripts tell us what she really believes when she talks to big business...... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #66

Complete nonsense anigbrowl Apr 2016 #80

This isn't about what is in her "heart of hearts"....The smoking gun is the secrecy itself. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #95

Not seeing it anigbrowl Apr 2016 #97

The money and the lack of transparency would be fine if she wasn't running for President....... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #100

The hyperbole is sort of ridiculous anigbrowl Apr 2016 #105

Hillary Clinton....the first incorruptible politician..... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #107

When you have to make up statements to attribute them to your opponent... anigbrowl Apr 2016 #110

I am just expressing what you are claiming,,they gave her millions and it won't affect her decsions virtualobserver Apr 2016 #112

No you're not. nt anigbrowl Apr 2016 #114

so then you are saying that the money will affect her decisions. Either it will or it won't. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #115

Au contrarie, if HRC supporters actually saw those transcripts she would have a lot less FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #82

And you know this how? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #87

There have been leeks, but WE don't go with that, we want confirmation. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #90

So no answer then anigbrowl Apr 2016 #99

Were those leeks in a soup??? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #156

The Welsh make a fine leek soup! Oh, I could eat that stuff all day! nt MADem Apr 2016 #175

Me too! COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #186

She was not at GS et. al. for the food. So, Until she releases them, if ever, I will assume the FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #106

Well at least you are honest about being irrational anigbrowl Apr 2016 #108

This is why people like you get everyone else fucked in the ass! FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #194

uh huh anigbrowl Apr 2016 #197

What I see is government politicians being bought for pennies on the dollar. It it FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #206

Wrong again Bob. The only people who don't care about them are Hillary supporters pdsimdars Apr 2016 #89

No doubt you have evidence to back up this claim anigbrowl Apr 2016 #94

Jane said they were on TurboTax. No need to go home. Just a simple click of button. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #56

Hillary & her followers can't find real dirt. This is all they have... nt revbones Apr 2016 #5

Oh yeah? Why didn't they release these stinkers months ago? MADem Apr 2016 #8

The sad, ugly end will be in November, when your candidate loses because she's Fawke Em Apr 2016 #65

My candidate won't lose, and your candidate's supporters can either be a part of history or stand to MADem Apr 2016 #68

Agree. Hillary needs to release the transcripts now. Dawgs Apr 2016 #69

"Transcripts" are not mandated government documents. Tax returns are. MADem Apr 2016 #72

Bernie has promised to release. If he's a cheat then we will know. Dawgs Apr 2016 #78

$50,000 in deductions? Exposing a hypocrite who pretends to be pure KittyWampus Apr 2016 #58

I think he should offer a trade at the debate: TCJ70 Apr 2016 #7

Well Said. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #9

Also the transcript issue has been ongoing now for months longer than dana_b Apr 2016 #11

He has no transcripts for Wall Street speaches. but pdsimdars Apr 2016 #91

yep! dana_b Apr 2016 #93

No transcripts have never been released tax returns have MattP Apr 2016 #14

And he has had "failure to disclose" problems in the past, that are documented. MADem Apr 2016 #19

No, they have not. That is categorically false. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #59

taxes are required by law. personal opinions given to bored people eating lousy food are not nt msongs Apr 2016 #18

Releasing tax returns has become a normal part of Presidential candidate politics for decades SFnomad Apr 2016 #21

And no others spoke to banking entities that broke our country, and got bailed out. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #34

You can come up with any excuse you want, but that still doesn't change the fact SFnomad Apr 2016 #41

That's a disingenuous statement. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #136

You're the one being disingenuous SFnomad Apr 2016 #169

Bullshit. You ignore the AMOUNTS of money. Those fees were huge and unprecedented. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #181

What, no presidential candidate has ever spoken to an audience of bankers before? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #49

Geez, are you pretending to not get it or are you just incapable of getting it? BillZBubb Apr 2016 #138

There is nothing to get anigbrowl Apr 2016 #191

Bernie and Jane will release anything from their tax returns that people want to see BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #24

When??? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #157

I think we are missing something else of great importance here. Avalux Apr 2016 #26

Jane is capable to do their own, she is a smart lady. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #30

Regular One Percenters, you mean. nt MADem Apr 2016 #40

No, she does what millions of Anericans do every year. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #160

"Transcripts involve the shaping of US policy?" yallerdawg Apr 2016 #31

Ohhhhh NO! Have you forgotten Romney's speech he didn't want us to hear? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #42

I don't need to hear Republican speeches. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #44

Hillary and Bill are DINOs. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #67

Naw, Illimunati are the B Team. The Bildergerg Group is where the real COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #161

Nothing, if we aren't allowed to look at either. Orsino Apr 2016 #33

Bernie isn't hiding his. They're on the campaign trail and Jane said she will put them out when Zira Apr 2016 #53

Well, it's now April 13. Tick Tock. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #162

And how about prior years? Orsino Apr 2016 #200

Prior years too, of course. But not releasing COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #201

I disagree. Anyone can request a 30-day extension. Orsino Apr 2016 #203

They can request an extension to file but the cannot COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #205

Bernies Taxes get released every 6 years - every time he runs. Zira Apr 2016 #51

Cough (bullshit) cough. Paying 13.4 percent is interesting. 56K in deductions is INTERESTING. MADem Apr 2016 #71

Bernie tells truth. clinton tells stories. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #54

Furthest from a factual declaration I've seen all day. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #163

Both should be released, imo. (nt) bigwillq Apr 2016 #57

bernie is in the wrong... artyteacher Apr 2016 #77

Bernie has always released his tax returns and he will this time. Dawgs Apr 2016 #79

how is it a lie... artyteacher Apr 2016 #88

This is false, he didn't release FULL returns uponit7771 Apr 2016 #113

Because he hasn't released them yet. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #164

"Hasn't release yet" is not "he won't" so it's a lie. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #184

OK. When will he release them? January 3? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #190

It's a lie because he said he will release them. Dawgs Apr 2016 #185

The IRS says they have Bernie's returns, no one but Hillary has her transcripts . . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #83

OK. Then why won't the make them public? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #165

I'd like to know what it is people think they're going to find in his taxes LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #98

About $150 mill. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #101

The transcripts involve whether she's been bribed for $675,000 Herman4747 Apr 2016 #102

Bernie is going to look like a HUUUUGE hypocrite ... salinsky Apr 2016 #103

The Difference tirebiter Apr 2016 #104

lol... birdiebro is working overtime!!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #109

About 20 million nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #125

Bernie will release his taxes just before the NY primary. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #132

I thought maybe while they're in Rome? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #151

As soon as somebody can come up with COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #166

One will be released before the debate.....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #159

Also, Bernie has financial disclosures from the last 26 years here jfern Apr 2016 #171

Seriously... deathrind Apr 2016 #178

millions and millions SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #179

The 1040 has already been made public. I don't know what shills expect to find in the worksheets lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #182

Bernie's taxes are comparable to Hillary's taxes treestar Apr 2016 #187

"Bernie's TAX RETURNS" was from an email blast the other day; to counteract the transcripts amborin Apr 2016 #188

Several 0's. N/t JesterCS Apr 2016 #193

I assumed you were asking for a number of zeroes Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #209

Nothing Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #212

such disrespect for voters to refuse to release the transcripts amborin Apr 2016 #214

We don't know what is in Bernie's returns, so how can you answer what the BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #220

Tax returns are a legally required document workinclasszero Apr 2016 #221