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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: why was the Wyoming caucus so much closer than other caucuses? Democrats only. [View all]JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)74. They are not the same issue at all.
Domestic Spying is a question of the 4th amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
That is, it's the right for unencrypted communications to not be read by the government without a court order
Encryption is a 1st amendment concern:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
That is, it is the right for me to choose to encrypt communications so that infringements on the 4th amendment do not cripple my ability to communicate.
They're very different problems but both center around secure communications.
Domestic spying and Encryption are areas where Democrats should excel, but they do not because many elected Democrats are authoritarians like Feinstein. But I'll pick Sanders over Cruz or Paul any day.
By the way, on the topic of government oppression of free speech, Clinton also voted to make it a felony to burn the US flag.
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On a side-note it is incredibly dismissive to suggest that fundamental questions of free speech and government surveillance don't matter because so-called "ordinary voters" don't vote on them as swing issues as much. Civil liberties do matter, though you apparently disagree. Interesting. I remember when Bush's PATRIOT act was anathema to liberals, but apparently surveillance is now en vogue with the New Democrats.
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why was the Wyoming caucus so much closer than other caucuses? Democrats only. [View all]
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
OP
Something tells me that the democracy-expanding presence of absentee voting will be cited...
IamMab
Apr 2016
#16
I totally agree with you about the portion of the right that is already moving leftward.
Lucinda
Apr 2016
#149
Bernie gets ZERO Net Delegates in Wyoming! Plus HRC has +4 superdelegates in WY
riversedge
Apr 2016
#151
surrogate/absentee votes were allowed in WY, and that made a big difference nt
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#4
A candidate who is strongest in protected elections is risky in general elections
hellofromreddit
Apr 2016
#8
base is fine, Sanders voters who cared about defeating Republicans before primary
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#9
If we lose them, we never had them. Unlike the minority voters who strongly support Hillary
pnwmom
Apr 2016
#135
All but the richest 2% of Clinton supporters would vote Sanders over the Repukes.
mhatrw
Apr 2016
#38
Some Democrats are squishy centrists without a coherent long-term ideology.
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#51
So your response to my detailed post explaining why it's an important policy area...
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#82
on civil liberties it's a very complex issue and there's a very real danger that if there isn't
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#85
I disagree. Civil Liberties are not a complex issue, it's black and white.
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#95
I agree with you entirely; did you perhaps mean to reply to geek tragedy, who evidently disagrees?
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#108
Similar in some ways. One is dominated by a patriarchal religious group, the other refused to join
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#39
He won Alaska by 63 points. That state has around the same population as Wyoming
oberliner
Apr 2016
#45
Hint: He's got the momentum, and Clinton's got more scandals that she is capable of handling
fighting-irish
Apr 2016
#119
Hillary supporters on the internet are speaking out against same day registration
Cheese Sandwich
Apr 2016
#24
delegates to the national convention, there are 14. If a candidate wins 56.25% they get 8/14
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#44
Yes, however it is still notable that he got 56% in a Democrat-only state.
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#52
I have no problem with that, I think it's great that more people were able to make their voice heard
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#64
I hope you're able to correct the multitude of media sources mistakenly reporting Sanders' victory.
Karmadillo
Apr 2016
#76
In this particular instance, the vast majority of the world would appear to be saying yes. Don't
Karmadillo
Apr 2016
#84
if he has another 24 states where he picks up a net zero delegates he will be giving a concession s
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#89
Please specify the violation of Wyoming State Laws or WDP rules which occurred...
brooklynite
Apr 2016
#40
That's because most people who actually care about what the party is supposed to represent
cui bono
Apr 2016
#60
Surrogates also can't be pressured / bullied into voting for a particular candidate...nt
SidDithers
Apr 2016
#80
no, she's not. Bob Dole called for cutting taxes on the rich and slashing government
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#155
Identical? Of course not. A resonable facsimile that conservatives in both parties can support?
LondonReign2
Apr 2016
#157
They are a form of absentee ballots, and all caucuses should make them freely available.
pnwmom
Apr 2016
#132
650 surrogate ballots brought in by 1 person is a limited circumstance?
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2016
#144