2016 Postmortem

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9. base is fine, Sanders voters who cared about defeating Republicans before primary

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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:16 PM

Apr 2016

will vote with Clinton after primary

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why was the Wyoming caucus so much closer than other caucuses? Democrats only. [View all] geek tragedy Apr 2016 OP

and absentee voting. Lucinda Apr 2016 #1

i.e. better organization on the ground. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2

I'm just happy all those people got to vote. A caucus without provisions Lucinda Apr 2016 #6

Something tells me that the democracy-expanding presence of absentee voting will be cited... IamMab Apr 2016 #16

I just ignore them. They say she can't win the GE yet can steal the primary. Lucinda Apr 2016 #22

Most irritants are anti-Democrats, a long-recognized Hortensis Apr 2016 #145

Blessed are the temporarily affiliated, for they shall save us all. Lucinda Apr 2016 #147

"75% of Sanders supporters would support Hillary" Hortensis Apr 2016 #148

I totally agree with you about the portion of the right that is already moving leftward. Lucinda Apr 2016 #149

Yes. I actually know a lot of them here in Hortensis Apr 2016 #150

i.e. better ballot box stuffers mhatrw Apr 2016 #36

Can We Say... Democratic Party Facilitated Election Rigging? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #106

You've gotta love that about the Clintons. ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #136

Bernie gets ZERO Net Delegates in Wyoming! Plus HRC has +4 superdelegates in WY riversedge Apr 2016 #151

How many people would you expect to show up with absentee ballots hack89 Apr 2016 #156

Allowing the poor, disabled, and elderly to vote. athena Apr 2016 #3

surrogate/absentee votes were allowed in WY, and that made a big difference nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4

Agreed. That was my point. athena Apr 2016 #5

Allowing the poor, disabled, and elderly to vote for Clinton. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #37

Was their only choice was to vote for Hillary? Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #81

Are you implying they should be prevented from voting for anyone? n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #133

they had something similar to absentee and the clinton campaign JI7 Apr 2016 #7

A candidate who is strongest in protected elections is risky in general elections hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #8

base is fine, Sanders voters who cared about defeating Republicans before primary geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9

What about the rest of them? hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #20

we could argue back and forth over the merits, but geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23

This may change Politicalboi Apr 2016 #30

If we lose them, we never had them. Unlike the minority voters who strongly support Hillary pnwmom Apr 2016 #135

"If we lose them, we never had them." hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #140

All but the richest 2% of Clinton supporters would vote Sanders over the Repukes. mhatrw Apr 2016 #38

No, not all independents are really independent. Most aren't. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #42

Some Democrats are squishy centrists without a coherent long-term ideology. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #51

foreign policy wise yes, on domestic policy she's pretty darn liberal nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #55

domestic spying, free speech, encryption, LGBT rights, etc. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #61

domestic spying and encryption are the same issue. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #65

They are not the same issue at all. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #74

it's a basic fact. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #77

So your response to my detailed post explaining why it's an important policy area... JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #82

on civil liberties it's a very complex issue and there's a very real danger that if there isn't geek tragedy Apr 2016 #85

I disagree. Civil Liberties are not a complex issue, it's black and white. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #95

But encryption is a black and white issue mythology Apr 2016 #107

I agree with you entirely; did you perhaps mean to reply to geek tragedy, who evidently disagrees? JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #108

What is even riskier is a candidate who can't win the Black vote. athena Apr 2016 #26

Borrowing from the usual reasoning tossed around here.... hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #31

Oh, so you think the Black voters can be taken for granted. athena Apr 2016 #34

You can drop that race-baiting horse shit right now hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #47

Polarizing or losing? scscholar Apr 2016 #63

Haven't you heard? dchill Apr 2016 #66

It's Sanders by 12%. That's not very close in election land. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #10

He won Utah by 59% oberliner Apr 2016 #12

Similar in some ways. One is dominated by a patriarchal religious group, the other refused to join Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #39

He won Alaska by 63 points. That state has around the same population as Wyoming oberliner Apr 2016 #45

Well, when compared to other, demographically similar states.... Adrahil Apr 2016 #126

Double Digit Win for Bernie noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #11

Are you surprised it was that close? oberliner Apr 2016 #14

He Sure Did noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #46

Agreed oberliner Apr 2016 #48

Compare the delegate counts to the candidates' targets. MineralMan Apr 2016 #15

Not the Candidate's targets noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #50

yes, here in WA he won by large margin MFM008 Apr 2016 #13

WA was a very meaningful win for him, his best state of the campaign. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21

Our caucuses in WA are a serious form of voter suppression. pnwmom Apr 2016 #131

You are right, disenfranchisement is a feature, not a bug with caucuses. KitSileya Apr 2016 #143

This is an excellent point and should scare team Hillary NWCorona Apr 2016 #17

Wyoming is mostly comprised of white people oberliner Apr 2016 #57

True but with Bernie's inroads with minorities recently NWCorona Apr 2016 #71

New York will be a good test oberliner Apr 2016 #75

Agreed! And even though I think/hope he will win NWCorona Apr 2016 #78

If he wins NY and PA SheenaR Apr 2016 #18

And if he loses NY and PA he can start preparing his concession speech geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19

You all have been super with the predictions so far SheenaR Apr 2016 #27

I predicted he'd win Wisconsin by somewhere between 10-16 points. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29

Hint: He's got the momentum, and Clinton's got more scandals that she is capable of handling fighting-irish Apr 2016 #119

Hillary supporters on the internet are speaking out against same day registration Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #24

So Bernie's winning now when it's just Democrats? Great! Karmadillo Apr 2016 #25

no, he didn't win anything. Tie in delegates. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #28

56-44 is a tie? Karmadillo Apr 2016 #32

delegates to the national convention, there are 14. If a candidate wins 56.25% they get 8/14 geek tragedy Apr 2016 #44

Yes, however it is still notable that he got 56% in a Democrat-only state. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #52

caucus state. whole different ballgame than primary. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #53

"Caucus" -- yet surrogate ballots were allowed. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #54

yep. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #56

I have no problem with that, I think it's great that more people were able to make their voice heard JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #64

that's very possible, and probably should be factored in. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #67

I hope you're able to correct the multitude of media sources mistakenly reporting Sanders' victory. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #76

is it a victory if you gain nothing? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #79

In this particular instance, the vast majority of the world would appear to be saying yes. Don't Karmadillo Apr 2016 #84

it's worse than a tie for Sanders. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #86

Got it. 56-44 is a loss. Concession speech to follow. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #87

if he has another 24 states where he picks up a net zero delegates he will be giving a concession s geek tragedy Apr 2016 #89

A win is a win and adds to his streak. Momentum. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #91

at the risk of repeating myself, geek tragedy Apr 2016 #92

Momentum Karmadillo Apr 2016 #99

he's not winning New York geek tragedy Apr 2016 #101

I'm sure we'll find out soon whether or not he wins. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #104

You pray that's a hail mary. fighting-irish Apr 2016 #120

Well, I've seen Ohio called a tie here as well... sweetloukillbot Apr 2016 #102

Who is reporting a tie in delegates? Link? mhatrw Apr 2016 #35

Everybody? sweetloukillbot Apr 2016 #103

When it's just White Democrats oberliner Apr 2016 #58

+1 Go Vols Apr 2016 #68

A good, solid win for Sen. Sanders in Wyoming earthside Apr 2016 #105

Thanks for posting this. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #111

LOL. The reason was Clinton stuffed the ballot box with surrogate votes. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #33

Please specify the violation of Wyoming State Laws or WDP rules which occurred... brooklynite Apr 2016 #40

I think you'll be waiting a while for that 'evidence' shenmue Apr 2016 #141

and there's the conspiracy theory excuse we were waiting for--nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #43

No the actual reason is there are many counties with only 2 delegates GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #41

If he won 80-20 like he did in Alaska, it would not be a 1-1 delegate split oberliner Apr 2016 #62

Yep.. actual Democrats dont feel the Bern... DCBob Apr 2016 #49

And what, pray tell, are "actual" Democrats? dchill Apr 2016 #59

Democrats who don't trash other Democrats. DCBob Apr 2016 #69

Then Hillary supporters don't count. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #70

I rarely see any Hillary supporters trash Bernie or Bernie supporters. DCBob Apr 2016 #73

HAHAHAHA ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #113

Good for you.. laughter is the best medicine! DCBob Apr 2016 #115

Are you channeling Ronald Reagan now? bvf Apr 2016 #96

I have no idea what you are talking about. DCBob Apr 2016 #109

Then you're either bvf Apr 2016 #127

Do you have to be so insulting? DCBob Apr 2016 #128

When it's called for. bvf Apr 2016 #129

By that definition, there are ZERO real Democrats... dchill Apr 2016 #116

One can disagree on policies and politics without trashing each other. DCBob Apr 2016 #121

You first. dchill Apr 2016 #122

I dont trash other Democrats. DCBob Apr 2016 #123

I don't either! dchill Apr 2016 #124

Good for you. DCBob Apr 2016 #125

That's because most people who actually care about what the party is supposed to represent cui bono Apr 2016 #60

I was an Independent for a number of years back during the Clinton admin. DCBob Apr 2016 #72

Surrogates also can't be pressured / bullied into voting for a particular candidate...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #80

Read this on Reddit... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #83

I can't vouch for the accurary of stuff on reddit nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #90

True, but it was sourced well enough to verify it. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #93

maybe they want to make sure people voting by surrogate geek tragedy Apr 2016 #94

Surrogates, or what you might call the Phantom Vote. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #88

I think you mean Demcorats and Third Way faux Democrats only LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #97

blah blah anyone who disagrees with me is impure blah blah nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #100

Impure? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #152

Clinton's economic ideas are not Republican. Jeebus, read her campaign geek tragedy Apr 2016 #153

No, more circa 1985 Bob Dole LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #154

no, she's not. Bob Dole called for cutting taxes on the rich and slashing government geek tragedy Apr 2016 #155

Identical? Of course not. A resonable facsimile that conservatives in both parties can support? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #157

no, no, no. There's nothing in Clinton's economic plan geek tragedy Apr 2016 #158

That would explain Blankfein's pointed criticism of her LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #159

Interesting, as closes caucuses are in Bernie's wheelhouse Tarc Apr 2016 #98

It won't be so close after the state level caucus and the Hillary NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #110

Snopes says not true stevenleser Apr 2016 #146

COLORADO. Democrats only. Not close at all. Bernie 60% Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #142

Wyoming was an open caucus Tarc Apr 2016 #114

Surrogate ballots. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #117

They are a form of absentee ballots, and all caucuses should make them freely available. pnwmom Apr 2016 #132

650 surrogate ballots brought in by 1 person is a limited circumstance? Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #144

You do understand that those ballots are mailed to a central location? hack89 Apr 2016 #160

Good sign for Bernie in the fall. morningfog Apr 2016 #118

Thank you! Interesting.. more Democratically in Wyoming.. who knew! Cha Apr 2016 #130

Are you happy about this? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #134

And if Clinton is the nominee? ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #137

I don't think Greens and Republicans should pick our nominee nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #138

Excellent analysis. K & R Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #139