2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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175. At least too often. That is the POINT.

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:25 AM

Apr 2016

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Sanders sees that he could conceivably win, and the bern has turned derty. I hoped he would be the man he said he was, but for a far-left radical to pursue his goals ruthlessly and dishonestly is not only natural but to be expected IF he turned out to an extremist. The righteousness that characterizes extremists on both the left and right allows them to justify, under the wrong conditions, just about any behavior...

Of course, it is still possible that Sanders is only a bit radical and that his dirty tricks and lies are merely a combination of that and the typical behavior of amoral politicians in his position.

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The Pervasive Dishonesty of Bernie Sanders [View all] bravenak Apr 2016 OP

Your link doesn't work Red Oak Apr 2016 #1

DU breaks links with @ signs. Try this one Recursion Apr 2016 #6

Got it. Thanks. Just a Bernie hit piece. Red Oak Apr 2016 #14

The truth is usually a "hit piece." nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #111

So is a stinking pile of bullshit Red Oak Apr 2016 #115

At least too often. That is the POINT. Hortensis Apr 2016 #175

WashPost gave Sanders 3 (!) Pinocchios for Hortensis Apr 2016 #206

And yours isn't a Clinton "hit piece"? George II Apr 2016 #187

Is she lying? Red Oak Apr 2016 #194

That's okay, the argument doesn't work either. n/t hughee99 Apr 2016 #199

Hillary is the dishonest one jfern Apr 2016 #2

They're not mutually exclusive. lovemydog Apr 2016 #45

Bernie isn't perfect, but Hillary has been quite dishonest recently jfern Apr 2016 #47

You're entitled to you opinion lovemydog Apr 2016 #50

Hillary has repeatedly attacked Bernie with lies jfern Apr 2016 #54

We see it somewhat differently. lovemydog Apr 2016 #59

Well, there wouldn't be much talk of issues if Bernie wasn't running jfern Apr 2016 #69

Certainly less of the ones that mean the most lovemydog Apr 2016 #74

+1, Sander is losing more than just this primary... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #3

what does that mean? don't be coy,spit it out. hollysmom Apr 2016 #7

peoples respect for one, he's sounding like just another side of the same coin uponit7771 Apr 2016 #12

speak for yourself, unless you have documented proof. hollysmom Apr 2016 #15

lobbies money from wall street uponit7771 Apr 2016 #21

The OP is written by a man who sits on the board of a Prisons for Profit company. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #189

What A LIE IS THIS POST No Matter WHat The Link Says! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #4

"If Bernie loses, VOTE FOR TRUMP!" baldguy Apr 2016 #23

I do not waste my time on Naderites bravenak Apr 2016 #24

Nor do I. lovemydog Apr 2016 #56

"Also don't waste my time on people who brag about not voting." SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #72

+1000 bravenak Apr 2016 #139

The sage Susan Sarandon. Thanks for Dubya, your brightness. oasis Apr 2016 #28

Videos are the worst possible way to make an argument Recursion Apr 2016 #37

Heh. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #73

Seriously? dchill Apr 2016 #5

It goes to an article with exactly the OP's subject line Recursion Apr 2016 #9

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #30

Another lying blogger shilling for Hillary, what a shock beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #8

Nobody "takes money from the NRA" per se, but they campaigned for him, which costs money Recursion Apr 2016 #13

The. NRA doesn't donate to campaigns? Really? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #19

They CAN spend money on ads. bravenak Apr 2016 #25

The blogger lied, he's another keyboard warrior who just wants to smear Bernie beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #42

Really, the NRA does not donate to campaigns Recursion Apr 2016 #27

WaPo: How the NRA exerts influence over Congress beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #41

"Campaign expenditures" -- that's not donations, and that's money Sanders got in '90 Recursion Apr 2016 #44

From open secrets, contribututions to house and senate members 1990, where's Bernie's name?: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #46

Then opensecrets is wrong, because they definitely ran those ads Recursion Apr 2016 #48

Bullshit, he never received money from the NRA. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #49

So, seriously, you actually think those ads and mailers were free? Recursion Apr 2016 #51

Those weren't donations, try to avoid using strawman arguments then yukking it up like you scored. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #55

They. Don't. Make. Donations. Recursion Apr 2016 #58

So those were illegal contributions? Why didn't they illegally donate to Bernie? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #60

They were campaign expenditures, which at the time were not capped Recursion Apr 2016 #63

Right. They just forgot to expend any on Bernie. WHEEEEEEEE! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #66

so by your logic beedle Apr 2016 #205

So Bernie is guilty of "getting money" from the NRA, yet you post this .... Scuba Apr 2016 #191

What hypocrisy? I'm saying the exact same thing in both posts Recursion Apr 2016 #192

uummm at 10:09am this morning you thought clinton did questionseverything Apr 2016 #204

The OP is pimping a guy who profits from the school-to-prison pipeline... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #61

Figures. How does he feel about Jews? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #64

Site owners seem to be turning a blind eye. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #68

Not much they can do about links.They did ban one rabid anti-Semitic Hillary supporter though: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #71

I had her pegged from the get-go, and that PPR was long overdue. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #76

Indeed. I have heard of instances where they banned people for what they posted elsewhere. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #78

LOL! I almost added... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #82

Good idea, I'd better add a disclaimer. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #86

You did... "Orwell"! LOL SMC22307 Apr 2016 #90

It took a year. I had a few posts hidden for calling that bigot out but it was worth it. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #182

I remember, no one should get their posts hidden for calling out bigoted trolls. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #200

Scottie...I salute you... Docreed2003 Apr 2016 #163

Well thank you very much. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #164

Your dishonest swiftboating is not working and will not work! Go,Bernie, go, in WI and NY and CA! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #10

Apparently I'm not the liar bravenak Apr 2016 #17

No the blogger you cited is. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #20

Tell him then bravenak Apr 2016 #22

No one said Bernie is perfect jfern Apr 2016 #36

way to stand by the utter crap you post here. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #173

Why don't you say the same thing about the two "swiftboating" videos of Clinton? George II Apr 2016 #188

Straight demagogue alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #11

Yep bravenak Apr 2016 #18

And he's Jewish!!?!?!! dchill Apr 2016 #40

Among my Sanders supporter friends lovemydog Apr 2016 #87

OP poster has had some issues with Sanders' ... dchill Apr 2016 #92

I don't see that mentioned in this thread. fun n serious Apr 2016 #101

+ a damn million Number23 Apr 2016 #43

"He's attracted a lot of fanatics" jack_krass Apr 2016 #214

Thanks for doing absolutely nothing but confirming my point Number23 Apr 2016 #216

I think that's accurate. ucrdem Apr 2016 #53

+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #179

'Nother post to trash nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #16

Dig deeper... it's "bad" and has been proven to be a big, fat lie. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #120

Truth is not something I expect anymore nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #123

Truth can still be found on DU... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #129

That is what I meant nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #160

Sanders has a complete lack of integrity. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #26

You aint never lied bravenak Apr 2016 #31

that would be true. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #174

Hillary has integrity? Nedsdag Apr 2016 #208

The Clintonites have gone full Karl Rove! They're beyond the typical Republican. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #29

We knew this was coming. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #70

Well, I do think that's part of it. Human nature. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #80

Yep they have. zeemike Apr 2016 #98

Dishonesty. You betcha Autumn Apr 2016 #32

Mehlhorn was COO of Michelle Rhee's StudentsFirst. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #33

Michelle Rhee SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #84

DU had a field day with Michelle Rhee. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #88

Is that the source of the OP? Thanks for info. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #100

Yes, Dmitri Mehlhorn, anti-union and prison profiteer. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #102

Very interesting. I shall look it up. Thank you. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #106

A pattern has been established... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #117

this is exactly the kind of attack that I reject when bernie supporters post against hillary ... cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #34

It's not doing the NRA's bidding when you get a D-minus rating from them. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #35

There is Pervasive Dishonesty noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #38

Silliness. immoderate Apr 2016 #39

The Washington Post and some other fact checkers have caught bernie in lies Gothmog Apr 2016 #52

The Washington Post said 147 FBI Agents were investigating Hillary but they got fact checked on that Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #195

Thankie much for the article! I hadn't seen the Wapo piece about the NRA and Lucinda Apr 2016 #57

Thank you for posting this article, Bravenak lunamagica Apr 2016 #62

No prob! bravenak Apr 2016 #142

One point I'd take issue with is that Bernie started clean and turned dirty. ucrdem Apr 2016 #65

True. Nobody knew him, so he was this shiny new thing. But little by little, the luster is lunamagica Apr 2016 #75

Wrong. If you were paying attention during the lead-up to the Iraq War... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #77

I was paying attention to the 92 campaign. ucrdem Apr 2016 #79

Yeah, the ONE war he voted against, sure lunamagica Apr 2016 #85

That "ONE war" has changed everything. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #89

Well, you are the ones who keep saying "They just don't know him. Once they do lunamagica Apr 2016 #91

I've never said that. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #93

What other "wars" did he vote for? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #94

Kosovo for one: ucrdem Apr 2016 #97

I covered that. You're comparing Iraq to stopping a genocide and preventing ethnic cleansing? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #99

His own constituents strongly disagreed. Bernie had them arrested: ucrdem Apr 2016 #104

Oh please, you're quoting an anti-Semitic bigot. *I* was one of his constiuents ... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #113

You need to support your claim that Ashley Smith is anti-Semitic. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #116

Read it for yourself. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #119

Different article, different journal, different author. Please support your claim or retract it. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #121

I supported it. She's a loon who writes for the Socialist Worker and imo an anti-Semitic bigot. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #124

You cited nothing of the sort. Please support your claim or retract it. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #127

Reading is fundamental: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #128

Please support your claim that Ashley Smith is an "anti-Semitic bigot" ucrdem Apr 2016 #122

Done: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #125

You made a serious claim. You've provided no proof. ucrdem Apr 2016 #130

I don't take orders from you and I cited proof, not everyone has to agree with you. Get over it beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #131

You've provided nothing showing Ashley Smith is an "anti-Semitic bigot." Please support your claim ucrdem Apr 2016 #133

I did and I'm entitled to my opinion. Relax, you'll get over it. Here is a nice picture for you: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #134

You need to retract your claim or support it. So far you haven't. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #135

"retract your claim" beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #136

You made a serious claim. If it's false, as it appears to be, I suggest a self-delete. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #137

I have a right to an opinion. Alert on it or stop telling me what to do. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #138

It's your credibility on the line not mine. ucrdem Apr 2016 #143

Oh noes! You're *bookmarking* my post! I am terrified. Really. This is me: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #144

The issue here you'll recall is "pervasive dishonesty." ucrdem Apr 2016 #145

Ashley is rabidly anti-Israel, to the point of being unhinged and she LOATHES Democrats: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #153

Justice for Palestinians is not "anti-Semitic bigotry." And Sanders is supposed to be a Socialist. ucrdem Apr 2016 #161

Logical fallacies, logical fallacies everywhere... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #162

Sounds a little "stalker-ish" to me. opiate69 Apr 2016 #147

That too. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #148

lol opiate69 Apr 2016 #149

Yes it does. This person seems to think he can intimidate me. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #152

Lol.. no, he do not! opiate69 Apr 2016 #154

Are you for the TPP? (NT) Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #105

Check my sig. ucrdem Apr 2016 #108

Totally agree...I think he considers this the only way to win Sheepshank Apr 2016 #183

Could you provide links please revbones Apr 2016 #230

Hmmmm... Have been pointed to info on the author (ETA) SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #67

Bernie was a C and now a D MattP Apr 2016 #81

thanks for posting this rbrnmw Apr 2016 #83

Yo. bravenak Apr 2016 #141

Campaign finance reform Yeah right! fun n serious Apr 2016 #95

WHY DOES BERNIE HATE AMERICA??? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #96

Obama has also spoken out against the Ex-Im Bank. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #107

Did he receive money from Koch? nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #110

Bernie Sanders didn't take money from the NRA. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #103

Without his permission fun n serious Apr 2016 #112

"But that year, he was the enemy of the NRA’s enemy." SMC22307 Apr 2016 #114

Posts hidden by Jury: 9 n/t. SixString Apr 2016 #109

That amnesty was a great idea! Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #176

Seriously? Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #185

This is true. Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #190

Speaking of politically expedient paths...this sounds so familiar about Bernie Jitter65 Apr 2016 #118

Bernie Sanders wants the US to phase out nuclear power by not renewing plant licenses. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #126

Doesn't New York send their sewage to Sierra Blanca? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #132

They did, for years 'The Poo Poo Choo Choo' trains delivered tons of NYC sewage to be spread over Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #180

If Clinton can deny it, so can Bernie. HassleCat Apr 2016 #140

Bernie is running a purity campaign talking about Clinton State to State fun n serious Apr 2016 #156

Pathetic, per usual eom noiretextatique Apr 2016 #146

Your posts are pure genius! n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #150

Seriously.nt bravenak Apr 2016 #151

Let's see... ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #155

Everybody mixes their own bullshit in with the facts. bravenak Apr 2016 #157

I know I do, but I keep trying not to. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #159

Review this sty fun n serious Apr 2016 #158

what is a "seed investor"? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #165

A new term for vulture.. I mean venture capitalist... Fumesucker Apr 2016 #168

Exactly but also on the board of American Prison Data Systems, part of the prison for profit system Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #186

"Exhibit A: Taking money from the NRA and then doing their bidding. In the largely rural and white Cha Apr 2016 #166

K&R! murielm99 Apr 2016 #167

The Pervasive Swiftboating of Bernie Sanders Fumesucker Apr 2016 #169

A dark turn for the Sanders campaign Gothmog Apr 2016 #170

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #171

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #172

Google search for --> News NRA Sanders and New York News riversedge Apr 2016 #177

Pervasive Dishonesty Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #178

DU rec... SidDithers Apr 2016 #181

The author sits on the board of American Prison Data Systems.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #184

Thanks to the people who pointed me to info about the author of the piece. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #193

An unbelievable pile of garbage hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #196

because she is? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #201

When someone is on record saying they hate Jews... Marr Apr 2016 #197

I'd be too embarrassed to post anything if I were her. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #202

A lot of them are. bvf Apr 2016 #207

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #203

I have to assume so. Or at the very least Marr Apr 2016 #209

They are Skinner's All Stars. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #211

"all the people who rec'd her post" jack_krass Apr 2016 #213

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #210

She's on record saying Sanders' fans are racists, too Rob H. Apr 2016 #212

You are talking about dishonesty??? libtodeath Apr 2016 #198

Damn straight. I don't sit online all fucking day bravenak Apr 2016 #220

I'm not seeing much "revolution" here Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #232

Sad they have such limited lives... bravenak Apr 2016 #234

Damn. I can only see about fifty posts in this thread. bravenak Apr 2016 #215

That's what happens when you stick your head in the sand. Fozzledick Apr 2016 #218

Why would I give one fuck what people on the internet who would be SCARED SHITLESSS bravenak Apr 2016 #219

Oh please, you're not fooling anyone anymore. We can all see how desperate you are for attention. Fozzledick Apr 2016 #221

Bull bravenak Apr 2016 #222

Oh yeah, you're a real Legend in Your Own Mind Fozzledick Apr 2016 #227

Why are you giving me so much attention, then? bravenak Apr 2016 #228

I've just always had this thing about standing up to bullies. Fozzledick Apr 2016 #231

Ohhh! Posting on the internet is not standing up for jack. It's posting on the internet. bravenak Apr 2016 #236

You're not really challenging me to confront you in real life, are you? Fozzledick Apr 2016 #238

The only pervasive thing here is Clinton's camp's incessant projection. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #217

Last time I checked he was the candidate NOT being investigated by the FBI. Vinca Apr 2016 #223

And not releasing his tax returns. bravenak Apr 2016 #224

I imagine you'll want those "idiots" to vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. Vinca Apr 2016 #235

Once again bravenak Apr 2016 #237

This is an excellent piece. Thanks very much for sharing it! nt NurseJackie Apr 2016 #225

Your welcome!! bravenak Apr 2016 #226

Just another load of slime and lies from Corruption Central. n/t Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #229

Excellent Read. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #233

K&R! Thanks for posting, brave. R B Garr Apr 2016 #239