2016 Postmortem

beam me up scottie

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30. For starters he wouldn't agree to further restrictions on abortion.

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:29 PM

Mar 2016

Unlike Hillary Bernie has always been 100% pro-choice, he trusts women.

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

She even used right wing terminology calling late term abortions "partial birth abortions":

And again just last year:

Women's issues encompass far more than abortion but that's just one reason I don't trust her.

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Some countries that have had a female head of state [View all] struggle4progress Mar 2016 OP

England is way ahead of the US on having a female head of state. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #1

I'd enthusiastically vote for Elizabeth Warren. ReasonableToo Mar 2016 #119

Unfortunately they had Margaret Thatcher. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #122

It's our time now. RandySF Mar 2016 #2

then support one that is not corrupt. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #5

I do. I support Hillary. RandySF Mar 2016 #10

Evidently you didn't read hobbit709 Mar 2016 #18

You're right. I don't read Facebook posts, chain emails, Reddit and most DU comments RandySF Mar 2016 #21

So you just admitted what your problem is. Low information. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #28

Because I don't get my information from a bunch of Bernie bros in their basements? RandySF Mar 2016 #53

what's a basement? hobbit709 Mar 2016 #56

But you do get it from SpamDan, does he still live in his mom's basement? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #127

Jury results edbermac Mar 2016 #54

Never fails, someone fron The Holy Church Of Perpetual Poutrage will have a cow. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #60

But apparently find it ok to reply without reading? nt revbones Mar 2016 #102

whoa MFM008 Mar 2016 #143

BS supporters routinely call Clinton liar KitSileya Mar 2016 #150

No one called her a liar... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #167

If one were to read anything at all about climate change, and cared about it... NNadir Mar 2016 #156

Good franannjo Mar 2016 #58

Wow. Entitled much? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #20

She'll go out and win it RandySF Mar 2016 #25

You said it was her turn like she's entitled to it. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #33

Wrong. okasha Mar 2016 #72

So why does Randy think he's included? He's not female. Is he part of her entourage? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #75

Last I heard, the US also has male citizens. okasha Mar 2016 #100

So when he said "it's our time" he meant Hillary and her supporters. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #101

Little wheel, spin and spin. okasha Mar 2016 #106

Bye okasha! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #110

I think everyone here would gladly support a woman, just the right woman. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #3

That's a very disingenuous argument. athena Mar 2016 #14

You don't know me. Very rude to assume someone is a misogynist because they don't like a candidate. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #23

Did I say anything about you specifically? athena Mar 2016 #29

Well that was not my point... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #37

I found it very rude that the remark was made to you. truedelphi Mar 2016 #51

... opiate69 Mar 2016 #44

Wow! That's a really dumb blanket statement Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #49

I absolutely would, Elizabeth Warren comes to mind. I would not want a Margaret thatcher thats for litlbilly Mar 2016 #27

and....? artislife Mar 2016 #4

This is supposed to make me vote for Hillary? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #6

She's certainly better qualified than any Repub candidate, isn't she? LonePirate Mar 2016 #9

What does that have to do with the op? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16

You're the one who brought up being qualified for the job. To earn the job she has to defeat a Repub LonePirate Mar 2016 #42

I was asking why being a woman would make her more qualified. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #50

That's a pretty low bar. We have higher expectations than "At least X is better than Y" Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #55

Sometimes the GE presents us with low bars which still require a choice. It's a valid question. LonePirate Mar 2016 #59

I'm sick of having to make that shitty choice. I did it for Kerry in '04... Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #65

Oh boo hoo. Life sucks sometimes and we have to make shitty choices. Deal with it. LonePirate Mar 2016 #70

I don't know who you are, but you're being way too rude Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #78

You replied to me with profanity and I'm the rude one? LonePirate Mar 2016 #80

We're still doing this? Saying a choice is "shitty" is some mild profanity. Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #83

People in glass houses shouldn't cast stones. LonePirate Mar 2016 #88

If I had said YOU are a shitty choice, THAT would be rude. But that's not what happened Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #98

You are a lot like Hillary. I don't mean that as a compliment. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #103

That's a pretty low bar. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #123

Women are better at understanding women's issues. athena Mar 2016 #19

Bernie has a 100% lifetime record with planned parenthood... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #26

Boiling women's issues down to Planned Parenthood alone athena Mar 2016 #34

Bernie sponsored an ERA - twice. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #38

Please explain why he pays women so much less. athena Mar 2016 #52

How much less and how many women? Also how do their qualifications differ from the men's? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #61

Oh, wow. Now you're making right-wing arguments against equal pay for women. athena Mar 2016 #76

Nice try. You accused Bernie of promoting men over women and paying them more, now prove it. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #84

athena, where did you go? Yoo hoo! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #116

Must be meeting with the rest of the brain trust to figure out the next tack. opiate69 Mar 2016 #121

Bwahahaha! Oh my dog I loved that show! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #126

Pickles!! opiate69 Mar 2016 #128

Awesome! TTT and Laverne! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #129

ROFLMAO! opiate69 Mar 2016 #104

OMG thanks for pointing that out... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #107

Hehe... I think we're well into the absurd portion of our show now! opiate69 Mar 2016 #125

Let's put that in caps: BERNIE'S CAMPAIGN PAYS WOMEN...MORE THAN MEN beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #108

And, just in case there's any questionable deletes... opiate69 Mar 2016 #111

"It is a fact. A very disturbing one" beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #114

Hehe. opiate69 Mar 2016 #117

Now stand aside, worthy adversary! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #118

LOL!!! Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #173

Please I beg you listen to a Sanders stump speech... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #41

Why can't he treat women equally in his own campaign? athena Mar 2016 #46

Why do you keep posting that link... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #77

Because you're not responding to it. athena Mar 2016 #91

You are confused... I never brought up abortion... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #96

Also someone just pointed out that according to your link Sanders is actually paying the women more. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #109

Did you read your own link? EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #134

Did you read the whole thing or pick out parts? athena Mar 2016 #135

"Please explain why he pays women so much less." EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #139

I have a Ph.D. in physics. athena Mar 2016 #141

Oh good you're back, care to explain why Bernie pays his women staffers MORE then the men? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #145

"He literally SAYS every rally..." rock Mar 2016 #74

Well the other poster pointed out he has sponsored ERA legislation twice. nt GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #81

Wow rock Mar 2016 #90

I think we are done here. Clearly nothing he has done or will do is good enough... nt GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #92

Sponsoring it twice = NOT GOOD ENUFF BERMIE!!1! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #124

For starters he wouldn't agree to further restrictions on abortion. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #30

Me, I look at how they run their campaigns. athena Mar 2016 #39

So abortion rights aren't a deal breaker for you? They are for me, women will die. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #47

Once again, please explain why his actions are not consistent with his rhetoric. athena Mar 2016 #57

I just did, his actions include sponsoring legislation and voting for gender income equality. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #71

Your opinions are clearly set in stone. athena Mar 2016 #82

What opinions? I provided facts to back up my assertions, that's how this works. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #87

You know very well that you did not respond to any of my points. athena Mar 2016 #94

The only one saying he can't pay women or promote them equally is you. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #99

athena, you are just rediculous, sorry, you are now on my ignore list. litlbilly Mar 2016 #32

Thanks for the heads up. athena Mar 2016 #40

Well, I think they're important. And I'm sure Hillary does. Wilms Mar 2016 #35

Read the whole sentence. athena Mar 2016 #67

So, at best, she's hoodwinking. Wilms Mar 2016 #73

It's called being a politician. athena Mar 2016 #79

Where did he say HE would overturn it?? Wilms Mar 2016 #130

No, he said he would overturn it. Repeatedly. athena Mar 2016 #133

Well, I'd appreciate the (INAUDIBLE) part. Wilms Mar 2016 #136

At best- everyone here claiming she will compromise on abortion is "hoodwinking" DUers. bettyellen Mar 2016 #105

I didn't say it. Hillary said it. Wilms Mar 2016 #131

Bernie pushes paid family leave legislation marions ghost Mar 2016 #164

You forgot Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and Mary Robinson. FSogol Mar 2016 #7

Also Mary McAleese of Ireland. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #17

Is the list including queens/non-elected leaders? suffragette Mar 2016 #8

Apparently, the list includes whatever anyone can think of athena Mar 2016 #162

On this we can agree suffragette Mar 2016 #166

You forgot Panama's Mireya Moscoso stevenleser Mar 2016 #11

Hawai'i Mike__M Mar 2016 #12

Hawaii is not a country. athena Mar 2016 #22

I guess you're one of the people who forgot Krytan11c Mar 2016 #43

I lived in Hawaii for nine years. athena Mar 2016 #89

Hawaii was an independent country, ruled by a queen... -none Mar 2016 #68

"Forget it, (s)he's rolling." opiate69 Mar 2016 #86

In that case, the U.S. is not a country, either. athena Mar 2016 #95

I was just stating a fact. -none Mar 2016 #115

So was I. athena Mar 2016 #120

Know what annoys me? opiate69 Mar 2016 #132

While too many people do think Waikiki is Hawaii, -none Mar 2016 #165

Yugoslavia is? (n/t) Mike__M Mar 2016 #142

A bunch of those countries are terrible places to be a woman tralala Mar 2016 #13

The U.S. isn't? athena Mar 2016 #24

Let's aspire to be just like Central African Republic and Rawanda. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #15

The fact that some of these countries are on the list but we aren't is sad UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #31

If that's your ultimate concern, you might want to stop running the same candidate.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #36

And when we eventually have a woman president, we'll pat ourselves on the back like we invented it. arcane1 Mar 2016 #45

Yes but how many have had a head of state that is ACTUALLY JUST A HEAD? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #48

Is this guy the head of Transylvannia? n/t truedelphi Mar 2016 #64

So, because Hillary is a woman, I should support her proclivity for war and fracking and cluster djean111 Mar 2016 #62

As Sec. of State, Clinton was more powerful than almost all of them Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #63

So an unfair advantage is OK if you're male but not if you're female? athena Mar 2016 #157

This isn't Royalty Underground or Free Feudality Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #163

I would love to have a female president NWCorona Mar 2016 #66

So what. If Elizabeth had wanted it, it would have been SO her race closeupready Mar 2016 #69

Well, the wrong candidate is on her way to the nomination, at least according to StevieM Mar 2016 #93

Did the voters in those counties have to compromise their values to nominate someone who mocks Vote2016 Mar 2016 #85

Liberia and the Cherokee Nation should also be on that list. okasha Mar 2016 #97

How many were elected heads of state? Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #112

Just for current matters. Hillary's campaign employee more women at the top and more overall. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #113

We need responsible leaders. Splinter Cell Mar 2016 #137

No one is voting based on their genitalia athena Mar 2016 #138

Bullshit. Splinter Cell Mar 2016 #140

LMAO! You dragged out that old hit piece from a fired staffer? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #147

Brazil DAMANgoldberg Mar 2016 #144

When did France ever have a female head of state? Your list is way incorrect. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #146

It has had a female Prime Minister but she was not the Head of State RFKHumphreyObama Mar 2016 #148

Yes, the OP seems a jumble of confusion. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author tralala Mar 2016 #172

I wonder about Greece, too tralala Mar 2016 #149

Probably in the Pelasgian era, they had some female heads of state. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #153

Regencies. Including Catherine de Medici's. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #154

Regencies are invariably discounted, as there was no constitutional provision for them. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #155

Clinton sure wouldn't be setting a precident in regards to a Female Head of State. pugetres Mar 2016 #152

I think you mean 'head of government' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #158

See response # 146 / by the way: what about the Dutch? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #159

Yeah, and with the other differences people have seen (Argentina, Ireland ...) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #160

Maybe so, but the Holy Roman Empire has had plenty of female heads of states Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #161

If gender is your top priority, you are a sexist. 99Forever Mar 2016 #168

No, that is not true. Men have been voting for men since the beginning of democracy. BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #170

Bullshit. 99Forever Mar 2016 #171

Yugoslavia never had a female head of state Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #169

I think they mean.. Kentonio Mar 2016 #175

OK, I see. Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #177

Lets elect a Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir and not a Margaret Thatcher jfern Mar 2016 #174

Were they all corporate shills too? Califonz Mar 2016 #176

The reason I love Margaret Thatcher EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #178

How many Gwhittey Mar 2016 #179