2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Rosario Dawson, how dare you lecture Dolores Huerta? [View all]shadowandblossom
(718 posts)What I am talking about is the problem where people who disagree with Sanders or support Clinton are labeled immoral, corrupt, ignorant, "establishment", or "schill." It seems to me like there's little tolerance for other views when it comes to Sanders and I can't respect that attitude.
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1. Well if the niece of the president of that amazing organization thinks she is the best option GOOD for her for getting out and working with the campaign they both think is best. Bravo to her for getting involved.
2. Dolores Huerta: (I wouldn't be surprised if someone said it and wasn't caught on video in the hubub of the crowd by the way. Not that it would matter to what I am posting about.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/21/why-neither-side-is-quite-right-in-their-reads-on-that-dolores-huerta-english-only-shout-down/
"The plain truth about what happened is that no one seems to have described events quite accurately. Here's the video Sarandon shared in her tweet. The key section runs from about the 53:35 minute mark to around 56:46.
If you watch the Sarandon video, you will note that some of what is said and done is not audible or clear. But this much is:
Around 53:35, there is a call from the back of the room for a Spanish interpreter, because some in the room do not speak English.
There is a lot of cross talk, yelling, hissing and complaining around the 53:55 mark, as Huerta comes to the stage.
There are people shouting, "She's with Hillary" and "No," around the 54:12 mark.
At around 54:30, the permanent chair (the man speaking into the microphone) asks people to settle down, stop yelling and observe.
Then, the permanent chair says at around the 55:21 mark, "We're going forward in English only."
This statement was followed immediately by much applause and cheers of "Thank you." All of this together would indicate that the people pleased by the permanent chair's English-only decision were probably Sanders voters.
So there you have it. Right? Sanders voters can't be tarred and feathered for -- or even deemed guilty of -- Huerta's "English-only" chants claim. And Huerta appears to have misattributed the permanent chair's English-only decision to the raucous crowd.
But it's really not quite that simple.
"First off, neither Huerta, the precinct's permanent chair nor the precinct captains for Clinton and Sanders could be reached for comment Sunday. Nevada Democratic Party officials, who oversee the caucuses, have yet to respond to requests for comment about events or procedure. Ferrera also declined to comment.
Second, this video really does not prove Huerta was guilty of the bias alleged by Sanders supporters; it's easy to see why she felt abused and upset after being shouted off the stage. Nor does it completely clear the Sanders supporters of all the allegations against them; some of the comments that are clearly audible in it amount to more than bad public behavior."
3. John Lewis: I saw that endorsement when it first came out. You can interpret it that way, but what I heard was that he was dismissive. (also Sanders did what he did elsewhere in the country) He also apologized after the blowback and said he wasn't trying to say he didn't contribute anything to the civil rights movement. He's also entitled to his view, even if all of that weren't the case.
No one is holding Sanders to the same level of perfection you expect of those who think Clinton is a better candidate and he is running for president...