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shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
51. First back to my original point, before the deflection, then addressing the deflection.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

What I am talking about is the problem where people who disagree with Sanders or support Clinton are labeled immoral, corrupt, ignorant, "establishment", or "schill." It seems to me like there's little tolerance for other views when it comes to Sanders and I can't respect that attitude.






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1. Well if the niece of the president of that amazing organization thinks she is the best option GOOD for her for getting out and working with the campaign they both think is best. Bravo to her for getting involved.



2. Dolores Huerta: (I wouldn't be surprised if someone said it and wasn't caught on video in the hubub of the crowd by the way. Not that it would matter to what I am posting about.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/21/why-neither-side-is-quite-right-in-their-reads-on-that-dolores-huerta-english-only-shout-down/

"The plain truth about what happened is that no one seems to have described events quite accurately. Here's the video Sarandon shared in her tweet. The key section runs from about the 53:35 minute mark to around 56:46.

If you watch the Sarandon video, you will note that some of what is said and done is not audible or clear. But this much is:

Around 53:35, there is a call from the back of the room for a Spanish interpreter, because some in the room do not speak English.
There is a lot of cross talk, yelling, hissing and complaining around the 53:55 mark, as Huerta comes to the stage.
There are people shouting, "She's with Hillary" and "No," around the 54:12 mark.
At around 54:30, the permanent chair (the man speaking into the microphone) asks people to settle down, stop yelling and observe.
Then, the permanent chair says at around the 55:21 mark, "We're going forward in English only."
This statement was followed immediately by much applause and cheers of "Thank you." All of this together would indicate that the people pleased by the permanent chair's English-only decision were probably Sanders voters.
So there you have it. Right? Sanders voters can't be tarred and feathered for -- or even deemed guilty of -- Huerta's "English-only" chants claim. And Huerta appears to have misattributed the permanent chair's English-only decision to the raucous crowd.

But it's really not quite that simple.

"First off, neither Huerta, the precinct's permanent chair nor the precinct captains for Clinton and Sanders could be reached for comment Sunday. Nevada Democratic Party officials, who oversee the caucuses, have yet to respond to requests for comment about events or procedure. Ferrera also declined to comment.

Second, this video really does not prove Huerta was guilty of the bias alleged by Sanders supporters; it's easy to see why she felt abused and upset after being shouted off the stage. Nor does it completely clear the Sanders supporters of all the allegations against them; some of the comments that are clearly audible in it amount to more than bad public behavior."


3. John Lewis: I saw that endorsement when it first came out. You can interpret it that way, but what I heard was that he was dismissive. (also Sanders did what he did elsewhere in the country) He also apologized after the blowback and said he wasn't trying to say he didn't contribute anything to the civil rights movement. He's also entitled to his view, even if all of that weren't the case.

No one is holding Sanders to the same level of perfection you expect of those who think Clinton is a better candidate and he is running for president...

I would agree if she didn't try to throw Obama under the bus in 2008 NWCorona Mar 2016 #1
Who tried to throw Obama under the bus? Pls explain how. brush Mar 2016 #2
Sorry for not being clear NWCorona Mar 2016 #3
And this Uponthegears Mar 2016 #5
Thanks for the reminder. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #9
amazing how some get a pass. amazing how roguevalley Mar 2016 #14
Labeling people who disagree as "corrupt" and "establishment" is about silencing people. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #40
I feel that way about Sanders. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #25
My feeling is that the baton goes to the young activists and young voters now, Autumn Mar 2016 #4
The votes, actions, and opinions of people over thirty count too. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #15
It's a dishonest game she plays. It's not questioning and disagreeing. She has a pattern Autumn Mar 2016 #20
When is it going to be okay to question Sanders? It goes way beyond Huerta. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #33
You can question him anytime you want. I only read your header and I'm done. Autumn Mar 2016 #35
Cover your ears and close your eyes then, but I don't require people to agree with me. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #38
Thos issues have been addressed already beedle Mar 2016 #42
First back to my original point, before the deflection, then addressing the deflection. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #51
But this thread right here--it's about Huerta. So we're really not going way beyond her here. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #64
that's not how I view the legacies of my ancestors and peers bigtree Mar 2016 #16
Dolores Huerta lied, no one chanted English only. If Dolores Huerta doesn't know who Autumn Mar 2016 #18
she was mistaken on that bigtree Mar 2016 #22
A lie is a lie, not a mistake and she has a pattern of doing that. She did it the last time Autumn Mar 2016 #24
yeah bigtree Mar 2016 #32
Wow. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #58
She attacked Sanders....And did she bother to talk to him or anyone on his campaign? Armstead Mar 2016 #26
The moderator yelled "English only!" and the crowd cheered. yardwork Mar 2016 #27
You know what? It's been heard. Over and over again. She even walked it back. Autumn Mar 2016 #29
even heroes are not immune to criticism tk2kewl Mar 2016 #6
No person is immune to criticism, someone running to be leader of the country least of all. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #17
If god went against Bernie cosmicone Mar 2016 #7
Doubtful NWCorona Mar 2016 #11
God has a lot to answer for Armstead Mar 2016 #31
God needs a good lecture beedle Mar 2016 #44
Rosario Dawson correct, Huerta said all the same things about Obama in 2008 and worse. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #8
Dolores Huerta is entitled to her opinion, it's no cause to dismiss her as "establishment," shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #21
At least Dolores Huerta has good company under the bus, w/ Paul Krugman and E. Warren. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #10
and John Lewis! and planned parenthood, and people who vote for Clinton. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #23
It's an opinion TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #12
I miss the unrec button. Scuba Mar 2016 #13
As hard as this failed last time melman Mar 2016 #19
oh, yes bigtree Mar 2016 #28
thanks for sharing it shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #37
How dare Huerta accuse Rocky Anderson of sexism? Dems to Win Mar 2016 #30
well, she's amply defended bigtree Mar 2016 #34
I really liked Rosario Dawson's comments, but are you saying she should defer to Ruben Navarrette Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #36
Look at these people trying to impugn her character. Reminds me of Scientology. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #39
As much as I love Rosario bravenak Mar 2016 #41
There you go, silencing another PoC for not holding the right views nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #43
how dare you think YOU can tell either woman what to think? TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #45
No one, no matter how accomplished and revered, is above reproach whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #46
Sorry, How dare Cindy Casares beedle Mar 2016 #47
clue bigtree Mar 2016 #48
Civil rights icons can lie? beedle Mar 2016 #49
no one except the Sanders folks are selling this line of yours bigtree Mar 2016 #56
You say that as if it's a magic incantation. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #65
it's a reality for the millions who have benefited from her advocacy bigtree Apr 2016 #66
Oh yes indeed, that woman is just too uppity for her own good! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #50
There's that word again... Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #52
I never heard of Rosario Dawson before this. LisaM Mar 2016 #53
OH NOES!! Fall in line people. Never question those that have come before you even if it is someone jillan Mar 2016 #54
I think both these women one_voice Mar 2016 #55
Who is she NOT to question Huerta? These people aren't gods. They can be questioned. Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #57
k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #59
That is a great article in the OP Gothmog Mar 2016 #60
K&R.. Gracias, bt Cha Apr 2016 #61
That's how these people are.. everyone of them. they know nothing but insults and disrespect.. Cha Apr 2016 #62
How dare she? Is there some law I didn't know about that says you can't call out a liar? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #63
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